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thomaswong.1986 says

see link above...

"He was right in the main. I just think he picked the wrong word," Candy Crowley said of Romney on CNN shortly after the debate ended.

But surely if you are the corporate executive you claim to be, you can see that in the exchange, Obama did not lie when he said he referred to it as an act of terror, the morning after.

And that Romney was severely mistaken when he said this: "I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."

That was wrong. If he was right about Obama implying other things as being possibilitiies (such as a backdrop of a protest when the terrorists attacked), okay. But in that exchange, Obama was completely right and Romney was completely wrong.

Only someone with very elaborate lying skills would deny this.

SoftShell says

You all are missing the biggest point of the exchange.

All republican and democratic politicians avoid answering direct questions 99% of the time. They all reframe the question to the way they would like to answer it.

Check out any sunday political talk show for verification.

I've seen far worse from the likes of pelosi, wassarwomanschultz, et al...

Yawn........

That certainly is true.

thomaswong.1986 says

There were no protests that day.. there were the next day.. and they were all Pro_American.

THere were protests elsewhere, such as in Egypt. So elsewhere in the middle east wacko extremists were protesting the video.

Can we agree that terrorists in that part of the world are sometimes wacko Islamic fundamentalists ? The same type that might kill over perceived disrespect of Mohammed? So at the same time that protests over the video are happening elsewhere in the middle east, our government speculated that there might have been a connection.

Oh, the horror.

thomaswong.1986 says

but he certainly did not call Benghazi terrorism in the first two weeks after the attack

So he did call it an act or terror, but he did not call it terrorism ?

You are so clueless. You're dumber than Sean Hannity. But he is just a scumbag who lies for money. What's your excuse ?

If I was going to be vicariously ashamed and embarrassed for republicans, I don't know whether it would be for the dishonesty (with yourself) and the stupidity, or whether it would be for the downright low integrity scum that they are, trying to use that type of tragedy for political gain.

Eliminated all the tommy trolling. Just to clear up another lie that idiot has been making... A person born in the U.S. is a U.S. citizen regardless of whether or not his parents are Mexican citizens. That's part of the Fourteenth Amendment.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Dan8267 says

Just to clear up another lie that idiot has been making... A person born in the U.S. is a U.S. citizen regardless of whether or not his parents are Mexican citizens. That's part of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Now now, it's not polite to present facts that contradict a person's ideology. That's just mean. ;-)

freak80 says

Now now, it's not polite to present facts that contradict a person's ideology. That's just mean. ;-)

Yeah, facts have a liberal bias.

Melvin said it better than anyone I've ever heard.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzcyXXqQ7RU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNzcyXXqQ7RU

These days everyone is selling crazy, republicans and democrats alike. All the name calling and melodrama proves it. Join the sane crowd vote third party.

Vaticanus says

Melvin said it better than anyone I've ever heard.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzcyXXqQ7RU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNzcyXXqQ7RU

These days everyone is selling crazy, republicans and democrats alike. All the name calling and melodrama proves it. Join the sane crowd vote third party.

Exactly.

“You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy.”
― Charles Manson

sbh says

As the nation lurches into the chasm within the Republican party, all of us who have wished for a third party should be careful what we wish for. When a group of idealists commit an act of isolationism within their own country you have to wonder if we are starting down the slippery slope toward Euro-style multi-factionalism. We'll get more choice as voters, to be sure, but will we get a country in stasis held immobile by groups that will not compromise. Imagine two or three wings of each party staging purges and obstructions and betrayals within their own sides of the center. In perhaps two or three generations we could be Europe. Only in America!

With all due respect, your post makes no sense. If " only in America " then why do you say we'll be just like Europe? Furthermore if the two party system is broken, as current rhetoric and results indicate, does your denigration of idealists present any meaningful dialog or solutions? To me it is just defeatist and destructive to perpetuate the status quo which got us here in the first place.

thomaswong.1986 says

By the way.. they (illegal citizens) are also liable for all Mexican Income Taxes on incomes earned in the US. This is also the case with many other nations Tax laws.

You are supposed to be some kind of accounting/tax guy and you wrote this? What a joke. You know nothing about tax laws. The US and Eritrea are the only countries on the planet that have income tax on non resident citizens. By definition illegals working (and therefor living) in the US are non resident in Mexico. Your depth of ignorance about what is supposedly your chosen field never fails to astound me.

sbh says

SCOTUS elected Bush.

When did we start using all of this SCOTUS POTUS hocus pocus?

Why not call it "the supreme court" and "the president" like we used to do?

freak80 says

sbh says

SCOTUS elected Bush.

When did we start using all of this SCOTUS POTUS hocus pocus?

Why not call it "the supreme court" and "the president" like we used to do?

COMSYMP?

HydroCabron says

COMSYMP?

I admit...I had to "Google it."

Then again, I should have known you were a communist sympathizer. Anyone critical of the far-right is a communist! ;-)

From a letter Harry Reid sent to Boehner:

"I hated the Iraq War. I think I hated it as much as you hate the Affordable Care Act," Reid wrote.

"There were many gut-wrenching nights when I struggled over what I needed to do to end the carnage. In those days, when President Bush was Commander in Chief, I could have taken the steps that you are taking now to block Government funding in order to gain leverage to end the war. I faced a lot of pressure from my own base to take that action. But I did not do that. I felt that it would have been devastating to America."

And since Reid would have been opposing a Conservatarian president, he would have been a COMSYMP traitor.

Only Conservatarians are allowed to destroy our system when they don't get what they want.

sbh says

AICSIFMTT

(All I Can Say is Fuck Me to Tears)

thomaswong.1986 says

An illegal alien has no legal residence standings inside in the USA. That should be obvious, that is why they are shipped back to Mexico.

For all purposes they are still Legal residence of Mexico. Like I said this is obvious.

When and where did these illegal aliens exactly declare legally to the Mexican Tax authority they were legally residence of the USA ? and when did the US Govt or IRS approve of there legal status for tax purpoes ?

An illegal alien having legal residence is contradiction on its own both from the Mexican side and USA side.

Therefore as still legal residence of Mexico there World Wide income is fully taxable under Article 1 of the Mexican Tax laws..

Just in case by some miracle you were actually correct about something I double checked on this one with both deloitte and kpmg databases. I found that:

Residence for tax purposes in Mexico (citizen or not) is determined by the whether a person establishes a home in mexico. Period. That's all folks. If a person has a home in Mexico and another country (not many illegals fall in this category) then a vital interest test is used. If more than 50% of income is Mexican derived or a persons main center of professional activities is in Mexico then they are resident for tax purposes.

So I will type this really slowly, not that I believe you will be able to grasp it. If a Mexican citizen doesn't live in Mexico they aren't subject to Mexican taxes. Where they live or their immigration status is totally irrelevant.

I guess obvious and legal aren't one and the same.

zzyzzx says

The one problem with that image is that it should be Boehner, not Obama, making the call if we are to be honest.

Yes, Obama sucks ass, but the government shutdown is completely the fault of Republicans and "I gotta keep my job at any price" Boehner.

Gandhi. Everybody likes Gandhi.

thomaswong.1986 says

Establish residency by LEGAL channels only. Does not apply to illegal methods,

Since when did Illegal Aliens who slipped out of Mexico or other Latin America LEGALLY

change their residence status and notify their respective governments taxing authority ?

At which point did the the US recognize them as legal US residence for tax purposes.

Its all common sense backed up by actual laws written on the books...

Your making up shit that doesnt exist... typical !

I have to really question if you graduated 6th grade. You obviously didn't read your own links. RESIDENTS are required to inform the Mexican government of changes in status, not citizens. The reason is to allow them to cancel your residence visa. Resident is a legal definition of a non citizen living in a country. Every country in the world uses the same terminology.

The US doesn't have to recognize anyone. People just have to be physically out of their country. That's the standard around the world. Even for the US. When I file my 2555 every year there isn't any question on it that asks if I have legal residency anywhere else. It only asks if I have been out of the country 330 days. When I filed a notice of permanent immigration for my residency in France they didn't even ask where I was going. I just pulled up my current countries notice of immigration form. Nothing about legal residency at all.

Here, straight from the IRS publication Foreign Earned Income Exclusion - Requirements.

A U.S. citizen or a U.S. resident alien who is physically present in a foreign country or countries for at least 330 full days during any period of 12 consecutive months.

The very specific requirement for FEIE is physically present, not legally present. That's the laws on the books for the US and almost every other country has the same thing. If you care to show me the part in Mexican tax law that stipulates Mexican citizens must be legally present in a foreign country for tax reasons then feel free post it. Otherwise you are just making shit up.

Yeah the Spanish were no picnic either. Look what they did to the Aztecs.

Then again, the Aztecs were pretty barbaric.

I'm not sure which side was worse.

thomaswong.1986 says

Once again your mixing legal and illegal residence/citizens.. so why are Illegals shipped back if they so call have legal residence ?

You are the most confused person I've ever seen. You don't have to be a legal resident in another country to be tax non resident in your home country. You only have to be physically out of your home country. You can be an illegal alien, you can be cruising around the world on your yacht, you can be travelling continually from country to country without establishing residency (called perpetual travellers, pts, permanent tourists, or prior taxpayer). What part of that concept is beyond your comprehension level? Post the part of your links that says you have to establish legal residency in another country to qualify as non resident for tax purposes in your home country. You can't , it's not there. In Mexico or anywhere else.

Mexican citizens and residents are taxed on world wide income while physically resident in Mexico or earn more than 50% of their money in Mexico. You've posted that, didn't you read it?

Post the part of the Mexican tax law that proves me wrong. You've had 5 chances to do that, I haven't seen it yet. Repeating the same bs time and time again doesn't make it true. I haven't been brainwashed by any liberals and unlike you by any conservatives eiither. Moderates actually think for themselves rather than just chanting whatever bullshit they are handed. Are you really standing by the highly suspect story you are some kind of tax/finance/accounting guy?

thomaswong.1986 says

A common practice by Latin American tribes before the Spanish..

A common practice from the beginning of time right up today everywhere in the world.The point,which you missed totally, was that the Spanish weren't benevolent partners with the Indians kindly incorporating them into Spanish society. They were brutal and ruthless subjugators.

bob2356 says

A common practice from the beginning of time right up today everywhere in the world.

Good point.

You've got to admit, if there were such a thing as a Supreme Being he/she would be pretty pissed off at humanity. No wonder the "angry God" meme has penetrated the minds of so many.

The Aztecs didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Yeah, but the "occupation" of the native Americans was more like genocide, no? Granted, much of it was unintentional (smallpox, etc).

freak80 said: But did the natives want to assimilate into an agricultural & industrial society? Their whole way of life and culture was so radically different it would have been hard for them to assimilate.
Difficult, but not impossible. Here's how Robert Busko put it when reviewing "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S.C. Gwynne"
Quanah perhaps killed more Americans than any other Native-American. However, the closing years of his life, after he fought the good fight, he raised cattle, ran for the school board and attended the 1905 inauguration of Teddy Roosevelt as a personal guest of the President. Astounding!
I cannot recommend the book "Empire of the Summer Moon" enough. Its an account of rise of the Comanches and the final confrontation between the US and the last great power on Southern Plains. Did I mention that Quanah, one of the leaders of the Quahadi band of Comanches, was the son of a white woman, Cynthia Parker (who had been captured as a girl in a raid) and Peta Nocona, a war chief of the Comanches. This book is hard to put down. Be forewarned that many of the passages read like something from AFs nightmares.

thomaswong.1986 says

the laws are very explicit.. an illegal alien in the US is still a Citizen/Resident of his/her original home nation and therefore legally taxed by their own country.

Ok now you've got you 6th opportunity to show us the very explicit law you keep talking about. Surely you can come up with the statute since it's something you claim to know so much about. What's holding this up? Surely you can come up with SOMETHING other than it's true because I want it to be true. Got to love the right wingnuts faith in the gospel of rush.

I'm beginning to suspect that you ignorance on this issue is so overwhelming that you honestly don't know that a large portion of illegals work with a phony ss # and pay taxes with no hope of refund if they overpay and pay ss with no hope of collecting. anything back ever.

Calvinism probably didn't help. They probably considered the natives to be predestined by God for eternal damnation.

"Kill the reprobate heathens!"

That too was incredibly predictable. But thanks for demonstrating my point.

Edit: Ah, I see that you felt the need to remove your original post of your oh-so-predictable 9-11 image.

The Professor says

Bigsby says

you aren't actually a professor

Are you really big?

No, I'm Bigsby. And there's no need to be curious about my size. I'm clearly more than man enough for you.

The Professor says

Bigsby says

No, I'm Bigsby.

And I am the professor!

Not when you first joined, you weren't. Your attempt at giving yourself increased gravitas has fallen rather flat. But then again any attempt at bolstering the veracity of 9-11 cobblers is likely to have that effect.

The Professor says

Bigsby says

Not when you first joined, you weren't.

Now I remember! You are the one that convinced me to change my personas' name!

I can't recall you ever saying anything original or of substance on this board.

Anything original? What is that supposed to mean? All you ever do is post other people's shite about 9-11. How 'original' is that?

And I didn't convince you. Your own bloated ego led you to misname yourself.

The Professor says

humanity says

Seems to me that the spanish were more humble and able to see the natives as humans that were worthy of some respect.

Really?

The conquistadors saw the natives as slaves to be exploited,

Wow, that's unusual.

The Professor says

Spanish priests who saw them as heathens needing saving, to toil on the missions.

Again. I'm shocked.

So, the conquistatadors and the Priests. Is that everyone ?

Were they the ones who were fucking native women and having families with them? (excuse my language).

Bigsby says

Ever noticed that we quite often do. And that I live in Kuwait, so for the
most part there's a slight time difference. But hey, as you aren't actually a
professor, you probably have difficulty understanding that.

Ya ever hear of Alghanim Industries?