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socal2 says

For real? Thought libs were supposed to be big in nuance and not black/white thinking?

I guess middle of the road moderates like me aren't big on nuance. Notice how you automatically said liberal to describe anyone who is less right wing than you, not big on nuance yourself. I rest my case.

socal2 says

I think abortion and gay marriage are the 2 biggest social issues for religous people on the right. Is it really intolerant to want to reform our abortion on demand laws to be more in line with "civilized" Europe and limit 3rd trimester abortions unless extreme medical conditions?

What do you think 3rd trimester abortions are used for? Depending on whose numbers you believe they are somewhere between .04% and .8% of abortions. Most are for conditions incompatible with life, a baby that won't live even if carried to term. Pretty much every state limits them. This is a pure bullshit argument.

Want to reform? Including bombing clinics and killing people? Yes I would call that pretty intolerant. How about Frank Silva Roque, Scott Roeder, Jim David Adkisson, Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, John C. Salvi for the short list of american christian terrorists who have killed their fellow citizens in the last 10 years. Want a long list? Want to keep throwing stones?

Dan8267 says

Name one liberal lie.

How about a recent example of "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it." Prior to that there was something about reducing healthcare costs…

Most liberal lies usually involve rioting blacks and minorities to go vote by telling them that white man is out to get them.

FortWayne says

Most liberal lies usually involve rioting blacks and minorities to go vote by
telling them that white man is out to get them.

Or the opposite, Fox News hiring 2 blacks to act as Black Panthers and stand outside of a polling place so that Fox can film them and then call the police(strangely, they weren't arrested), and then use the story as a lead-off story about 90 times.

Sound familiar?

sbh says

I don't know which is worse, lying Republicans comfortable in their lies, or
lying Democrats ignorant of their lies.

That's one of the best descriptions ever of the two sides of politics.

I often times have sided with the D's solely because the lies weren't intentional, but out of their control.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

Name one liberal lie.

How about a recent example of "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it." Prior to that there was something about reducing healthcare costs…

Once again, I called it.

Dan8267 says

Of course, you won't be able to. You'll state a lie from a Democrat, but Democrat and liberal aren't the same thing. You might state a leftist lie like, "a man can rape a women with his eyes", but you won't be able to find a single liberal lie. There aren't any.

And despite even giving specific examples of liberal statements versus leftist ones, you still get it wrong. It's like talking to a wall.

Let's go over your mistakes.
1. Obama is less a liberal than Dick Nixon was.
2. The ACA is not a liberal policy. Liberals do not support
a. Forcing people to buy private products. That's not liberty.
b. Forcing the young (and poor) to pay for the old (who own most of the valuation of stocks, housing, bonds, etc.)
3. The health care issue in an economic one, not a social one, and therefore cannot be a liberal statement.

Liberalism is about social issues like
1. Civil rights
2. Getting rid of all victimless crimes
3. Transparency in government
4. Accountability in government
5. The rights of individuals trumping the self-interest of the majority

Now you may, and probably do, disagree with many liberal principles such as
1. Men should be able to run around naked in public even if children are around.
2. Gays should be able to have gay sex.
3. All people have the same rights, including the right to marry, even gays and interracial couples.
4. Anyone should be able to publicly smear the American flag in human feces and set fire to it.
5. The government should not be able to coerce anyone into any religious doctrine including by posting the Ten Commandments in court rooms.

Maybe you even find some of these principles offensive. But there are no lies going around about any of these principles, and that's why you can't think of any.

If I were to say that gay sex cured AIDS, that would be a liberal lie, but no liberal says that.

Would you like to try again, or are you going to admit that there are no a liberal lies?

FortWayne says

Most liberal lies usually involve rioting blacks and minorities to go vote by telling them that white man is out to get them.

Nope.

1. You aren't stating a lie. You need to be specific.
2. You are once again confusing left vs right culture and race wars with liberalism.

I oppose Affirmative Action precisely because I'm a liberal. To a liberal, race should not be a decision maker for any political decision at all for any reason. To a liberal, the government should not even be allowed to know what your race is if at all possible. Liberals are, by definition, race agnostic precisely because we hold the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment sacrament. The 14th Amendment is even more important than the First.

Again, a liberal lie would be something like "human cloning is safer than traditional reproduction", which isn't true yet, but given inevitable advancements in technology will eventually be true. But until then, liberals aren't saying that.

Yep, so far, no liberal lies ever heard by man.

upisdown says

Or the opposite, Fox News hiring 2 blacks to act as Black Panthers

True, but that's left vs. right race-baiting and has nothing to do with liberalism.

socal2 says

Just bizarro world stuff you can say this stuff.

The Tea Party were responsible for one of the biggest Republican electorial sweeps in the Republican party's history in 2010 winning them back the House and giving them the majority of State governerships and legislatures.

The Tea Party wing are responsible for actually getting some real spending cuts with the "sequester" where Obama is even now lamely trying to take credit for reducing the deficit.

I suggest you spend about 2 minutes lifting the cover of the Tea Party to see what its funded by. The Tea Party is nothing more than a front. It was intentionally and purposively engineered to tell eager believers one thing ( that all things liberal are socialist and that the GOP can do no wrong) while in the back room the umbrella organizations and corporate lobbys and conservative billionaires spending on behalf of their monied interests use the results to effectively use the government as a means to more carefully control legislation that would otherwise hurt their business.

One would not even need to even do as I suggest and follow the money trail. Various Tea Party sites have stories that easily lead to this conclusion. Story after story tends to follow the same subjects: Energy, healthcare, anti-union material, the EPA, and so on. ALL items that have historically meant costly results for the energy, healthcare, manufacturing,and other industries. All of those articles and stories are of course written under the guise of "Protecting our freedoms" or " making government smaller" but the reality of the situation is these are simply issues that the controlling interests whom sponsor the Tea Party want the purposively selected demographic who can be counted on to believe these things ( usually conservatives) to believe and in turn do the work for them by voting against these items and voting in politicians who will also help these monied interests further.

I know what you mean Dan, it's not how our politicians and their media spins it though. There really are 2 types of liberals.

Liberal liberals liberals!!!

FortWayne says

There really are 2 types of liberals.

No. There are degrees of liberalism, and liberals can have different positions on subjects like the legalization of abortion and drugs, but the philosophy is the same for all liberals. Laws should protect the liberty of people.

The woman in this video IS NOT a liberal. She's a leftist.

http://www.vjpWaESn_9g

No liberal would ever say that a person cannot criticize, insult, or disrespect a president. Liberals firmly believe in the right to express extremely offensive opinions regardless of whether or not the liberal agrees with them!

That's why we liberals say the KKK has a Constitutional right to march even though we think they are complete assholes. The liberal response to a KKK march is to hold a counter-rally and hold up photographs showing KKK lynchings. The leftist response is to use the violence of the state to prevent the KKK rally.

Liberalism is not leftist in any way shape or form. You are either a liberal or an asshole. And anyone who uses liberal as a dirty word, is probably an asshole.

Dan I think many, especially young people do get their knews (sic) exclusively from a flaming liberal comedy show/shows (to include Colbert )

I do not like labels but in general i believe in a live and let live Laissez-faire approach to social, and economic issues. And I like the tds and cr comedy news, not so much the cartoonish sketches but more the commentary.

But I had to laugh when I saw this
http://downtrend.com/brian-carey/6-signs-that-youre-a-liberal-who-is-out-of-touch-with-reality/

Vaticanus says

flaming liberal

Vaticanus says

I do not like labels

You seem confused.

It's not ok to use an adjective to describe the writers of a tv show? I merely meant to imply that I personally have been labeled liberal and conservative based on people's perspective so I can't properly accept either label. But I am happy to describe other people as I see them. Not confused, just misunderstood.

Clear as mud now roo?

rooemoore says

Vaticanus says

flaming liberal

Vaticanus says

I do not like labels

You seem confused.

'nuff said.

As if there is anything bad about liberalism. If you don't believe in other people's liberty, you're an asshole.

Dan8267 says

rooemoore says

Vaticanus says

flaming liberal

Vaticanus says

I do not like labels

You seem confused.

'nuff said.

As if there is anything bad about liberalism. If you don't believe in other people's liberty, you're an asshole.

Therefore John Stewart is not a liberal in the classical sense as you describe it.

However, most "liberals" are quite happy taking away liberties, such as the right not to buy insurance, the right to bear arms, the right to drink raw milk, the right to not be vaccinated, the right to smoke, the right to do cocaine, the right to not pay for someone elses abortion, the right to drink a glass of soda larger than 16 ounces, even in New York City. Wait maybe most "liberals" are ok with cocaine. At least they got something right.

Dan8267 says

Excellent billboard. Demonstrates exactly why morality should not be based on Bronzed-Age ethics.

It does what???!?

That billboard demonstrates just how low the Liberal media shit heads will go to smear salt in the race wound. Especially as a defensive posture after Obama handed his own ass to the GOP Thursday. So what better way to shift focus from that fool, than to show a good old fashioned slave with neck irons, and a blurb that suggests that Obama's failings is because the GOP have plantations and slaves.

Stay classy Dems and Libs, stay classy.

I'm absolutely fine with uninsured libertarians being denied medical treatment at emergency rooms.

In fact, I enthusiastically support this: the image is almost pornographic in its prurient appeal.

CaptainShuddup says

It does what???!?

The Old and New Testaments demonstrate exactly why the Bible, a book on morality written by Bronze and Iron Age xenophobes, is a lousy basis for morality.

The easiest moral question to answer is "slavery, good or evil?". If you can't get that one right, then you're a shitty source of moral authority. The Bible, both Testaments, get it wrong. The gospel -- the heart of the Christian Bible -- gets it wrong.

This completely invalidates the Bible as a good book on morality.