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APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Can orca's be fitted with Gatling guns?

Gatlings are a 19th century technology not designed for underwater use. Today's orcas want frickin' lasers attached to their heads.

Dan, thank you for posting this.
These Orcas were literally struggling to survive from the onslaught of the most cruel animal on the planet - man. I have no intention of watching Blackfish, as I don't think I could stomach cruelty to animals. I just hope movies like this and the internet influences our future generations to tone down the cruel and barbaric genes we all carry, in favor of the compassionate genes we all carry.
Factory farms are even more cruel. I can't get everyone to stop eating meat, but I do urge everyone to play their part in ending animal cruelty.
Happy New Year.
http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/11-facts-about-animal-cruelty

I watched Blackfish last just last week. I was shocked just at how the trainers were lied to about the limp fin phenomena, how most of the males in captivity have limp dorsal fins and when asked the trainers claim this is normal, that up to 25% of wild males exhibit this trait while in reality almost none do. Hell if my life sucked enough to be limp my whole life I'd probably do the same to my captors.

http://oceanadvocatefl.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/orca-dorsal-fin-controvery-experts-vs-seaworld/

That said I used to live within walking distance of Seaworld. Never went as I don't enjoy watching such animal shows. Now so even less.

New Renter says

I watched Blackfish last just last week. I was shocked just at how the trainers were lied to about the limp fin phenomena, how most of the males in captivity have limp dorsal fins and when asked the trainers claim this is normal, that up to 25% of wild males exhibit this trait while in reality almost none do. Hell if my life sucked enough to be limp my whole life I'd probably do the same to my captors.

http://oceanadvocatefl.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/orca-dorsal-fin-controvery-experts-vs-seaworld/

That said I used to live within walking distance of Seaworld. Never went as I don't enjoy watching such animal shows. Now so even less.

Does it have a happy ending? I'll watch it then.

When that orca killed that poor lady trainer I could only think with remorse that:

"Killer whales are just animals and can't distinguish the difference between the crowds yelling "killer whale, killer whale", from "kill her whale, kill her whale."

New Renter says

I was shocked just at how the trainers were lied to

The trainers seemed as much victims as the fish to the malevolent, conscienceless, corporate leadership. I wished the film could have spent a minute cornering one of the "people" actually responsible for this brutal organization. Even the "catcher" guy seemed so heartbroken by his participation, I wonder if the CEO is.

Strategist says

Does it have a happy ending?

You talking about a massage?

Robert Sproul says

New Renter says

I was shocked just at how the trainers were lied to

The trainers seemed as much victims as the fish to the malevolent, consciousness, corporate leadership. I wished the film could have spent a minute cornering one of the "people" actually responsible for this brutal organization. Even the "catcher" guy seemed so heartbroken by his participation, I wonder if the CEO is.

Yep, you either spout the propaganda with a smile or you are fired without hesitation. Good luck transferring your years of experience training giant marine mammals to the outside work force.

I just watched this the other day as well. Very disturbing, especially the torture these extremely intelligent, social animals must endure by living in a concrete swimming pool their whole lives.

I don't know-I am not a fan of animal rights. Animal welfare-yes-but not rights. I eat them and they are tasty.

Now I don't know enough about whales to know which side is right, but they seem to live long enough in captivity and a pack of killer whales kill and tear apart much bigger whales in the wild. So it is no surprise they attack their handlers on occasion -no different than lion or tiger trainers. Here is a video of killer whales killing multiple critters-including other whales and sharks.
http://www.io69Du-7Eo4

The same thing with the campaign to ban carriage horses in new York. What are horses supposed to do-be turned out in a giant pasture and taken care of on the tax payer's dime??

Perhaps the welfare culture and the entitled generation now seeps into expectations that animals can be on welfare too.

You may ban the killer whales performance and there are calls for banning the circus animals and carriage animals and mink farms and fur and pretty much anything that catches the PETA types fancy-but where is it going to stop??

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Can orca's be fitted with Gatling guns?

It would make Whale Wars much more interesting.

Strategist says

Does it have a happy ending? I'll watch it then.

Unfortunately, no. However, the film perfectly conveys how greed trumps morality and how even good people are willing to buy a comforting lie. The testimonies of the ex-trainers were incredible. Good people duped into taking part in a bad thing by men who only care about the bottom line.

Robert Sproul says

Even the "catcher" guy seemed so heartbroken by his participation, I wonder if the CEO is.

No, he never showed any remorse. Thad Lacinak even brags about his career at Sea World on his LinkedIn page. He is now running another company, Precision Behavior.

When there's money to be had, some people become blind to immorality.

lostand confused says

The same thing with the campaign to ban carriage horses in new York. What are horses supposed to do-be turned out in a giant pasture and taken care of on the tax payer's dime??

No, it's not the same thing. Horses are domesticated animals. Orca's are captured wild animals.

lostand confused says

Perhaps the welfare culture and the entitled generation now seeps into expectations that animals can be on welfare too.

Perhaps not only do conservatives not have any empathy for anyone or anything except themselves, maybe they are just fucking stupid.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Does it have a happy ending? I'll watch it then.

Unfortunately, no. However, the film perfectly conveys how greed trumps morality and how even good people are willing to buy a comforting lie. The testimonies of the ex-trainers were incredible. Good people duped into taking part in a bad thing by men who only care about the bottom line.

Our system rewards this kind of behavior, that's the problem. I'm all for a capitalist system that creates wealth, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

finehoe says

No, it's not the same thing. Horses are domesticated animals. Orca's are captured wild animals

They are animals. We can hunt them and eat them-just like they hunt and eat other critters. These critters have a life, daily simulation and things to do-unlike the ones stuck in zoos.finehoe says

Perhaps not only do conservatives not have any empathy for anyone or anything except themselves, maybe they are just fucking stupid.

Ah such captivating logic. How rational.

lostand confused says

They are animals. We can hunt them and eat them-just like they hunt and eat other critters. These critters have a life, daily simulation and things to do-unlike the ones stuck in zoos.

Tell that to these guys!

Hey, they have 3 squares, exercise, and if they play their cards right nightly stimulation courtesy of their cell mates.

So you are saying animals and humans are to be treated the same? The killer whales have it way better than the millions of chicken that grow up for food-you do eat chicken?? Some dolphin and gray whale somewhere must be thanking its stars that the beast is not out there killing and eating its babies alive

It's got to suck for trainers who sign up with stars in their eyes, in love with the idea, then learn the reality: that the whales are as near to personhood as is possible for a non human. The situation flips, they're now jailers, not trainers.

Last time I went to sea world I went to the orca stadium during their training. The whales know what to do perfectly. The trainers are just playing with them. It's like entertainment. You can see how much they like the whales and want them to be happy, but know that's not going to happen.
Orca attacks on humans are nearly non existent. This, with their far superior hunting ability: honestly if a pod of orcas wanted you and you were in any boat smaller than a freighter, they'd probably get you. So there's a reason they don't attack humans, and it's clearly not because they can't. I'd say this was proof of sentience.

lostand confused says

Some dolphin and gray whale somewhere must be thanking its stars that the beast
is not out there killing and eating its babies alive

Talk about captivating logic...

This argument would be better if you tree hugging spoon benders, would just educate the people, that Orca is swimming in a Whale sized commode, and that water you see him splashing on the audience when he jumps like a well trained circus animal on queue. Is actually Toilet piss, and whale poo water.

That being said, those Seaquariums save a lot Manatees, Sea turtles, marine birds, and other wild life around Florida. It's more than just a jumping Orca Whale.

just a period at the end would suffice.

Quigley says

I'd say this was proof of sentience.

Lostand says......
The same thing with the campaign to ban carriage horses in new York. What are horses supposed to do-be turned out in a giant pasture and taken care of on the tax payer's dime??

Perhaps the welfare culture and the entitled generation now seeps into expectations that animals can be on welfare too.

You may ban the killer whales performance and there are calls for banning the circus animals and carriage animals and mink farms and fur and pretty much anything that catches the PETA types fancy-but where is it going to stop??

Strategist.....
I don't know where to draw the line. I am not willing to shove my values down someone's throat like the Taliban. It's up to each generation to determine for themselves where they want to draw the line. I believe the trend is towards animal rights.

finehoe says

lostand confused says

Some dolphin and gray whale somewhere must be thanking its stars that the beast
is not out there killing and eating its babies alive

Talk about captivating logic...

That is not logic, that was meant to be sarcasm. Since the animal rights brigade wants to equate animals with humans, I am doing the same. Or you want only your cause of the moment animal to be equated with humans??

Beleive it or not -I actually love animals and a lot of times I prefer their company to humans-but they ain't human. Now in terms of welfare, I think we should do our best, but projecting our emotions and values on to them and talking about slavery and such- that is just out of this world.

Now that I am looking to buy land, I am defnitely going to raise animals and eat them too. Maybe I might buy a few mink and raise them for fur -I do live ina very cold climate.. It is part of the cycle of nature. I think it is very sad that a large segment of population lives away from the life and death cycle of animals, get carried away by these campaigns-but have no problem buying leather shoes or eating at KFC.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

I don't know where to draw the line. I am not willing to shove my values down someone's throat like the Taliban.

Really??? That seems to be you M.O. every time you post here!!

Shoving facts down the throats of some of the weirdos here is doing them a favor.
I should get a medal.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

I don't know where to draw the line. I am not willing to shove my values down someone's throat like the Taliban.

Really??? That seems to be you M.O. every time you post here!!

Shoving facts down the throats of some of the weirdos here is doing them a favor.

I should get a medal.

True, you should get something.... We're not sure exactly what that should be.... medication maybe???

he he he.
Does your wife know you are giving your meds away? What will she say?

"SeaWorld's Popularity Tanks As 'Blackfish' Documentary Makes A Splash"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OkwmT6kWlpYJ:www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmcwilliams/2014/01/01/seaworlds-popularity-tanks-as-blackfish-documentary-makes-a-splash/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Blackfish Doc continues to make waves:

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2014/01/somethings-fishy-with-this.html?ana=twt&r=full

Robert Sproul says

Blackfish Doc continues to make waves:

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2014/01/somethings-fishy-with-this.html?ana=twt&r=full

Wow. Dumb, dumb, dumb. At least pay some Russian botnets to rig the poll; time for a new PR agency.

thunderlips11 says

Wow. Dumb, dumb, dumb. At least pay some Russian botnets to rig the poll; time for a new PR agency.

In Putin's Russia, the botnets rig you.