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bob2356 says

Everyone are still waiting for you to explain what happened, the story as told doesn't make sense.

What makes you think I have the knowledge to explain this. I have explained before that I do not have the details to this story. This link was simply placed on a friends facebook page. I asked if this was true and was told it was. that is that and nothing else.

What exactly about the story doesnt make sense to you? Please explain.

bob2356 says

The fact you dance around this like Baryshnikov doing nutcracker makes me even more suspicious of this entire post.

Im not dancing around anything. As I have mentioned several times before, I do not know the story in detail. that is not the point. THe point is that neither I nor ANY of you guys know the story, HOWEVER YOU guys are the ones making accusations and slandering this guy WITHOUT much or any information.
If you are accusing and slandering this guy, then the burden to prove your accusations are on YOU, not me.
MY entire point on this subject is, dont call this guy a liar or a scammer because really you dont know him nor the facts. You know what? I dont know him nor much of the facts either, but again, im not the one making these accusations.

Evidence? I don't need no stinkin' evidence!

Evidence is for wusses who don't have the courage of their convictions.

Yes.i agree with you because you have two eyes...

Miike says

I just find it bizarre how so many of you with so little information can make a judgement and then furthermore slander this guy.

Miike says

How big of an asshole are you for slandering a person you have never met without any evidence of what you claim he is doing?? SOunds like you are the asshole... Although I initially started this thread to as a criticism of Obamacare, I find that the majority of my time here as been trying to defend this guy from you and homeboy's slander and criticism...

Please unbunch your panties. I haven't slandered anyone. I've pointed out the inconsistencies in this story, which are certainly greater than the consistencies in the story.

You say that you initially started this thread as a criticism of "Obamacare," and it's a piss-poor example of problems with the program. Slander is where a person says something that isn't true, while libel is where a person writes something that isn't true.

Homeboy and I (as well as several other posters) were simply questioning this guy's motives, his story, and your unwavering support of something you read on the interwebs. You became guilty of libel at the point that you called us "assholes."

Look at it this way: if I were to say that you are either the world's most naïve person to believe a story about someone you've never met and who has posted no verifiable information in order to authenticate the validity of the man's claims, you're incredibly stupid to believe it, you are a scammer who is attempting to gain support for your imaginary persona, or that you are an idiot who is so blinded by your hatred of the Affordable Healthcare Act that you would use such an asinine example of another persons claims to further your message - well, that might be libel.

I mean, if I were to say that. Which I didn't, 'cause it was merely an example...

I knew it...

I received an answer from the team captain:

Thank you so much for your question. As for Mike he was kicked out of his insurance because of the Obamacare. I'm not too familiar with the details about it but I know that currently he is trying to be approved for medi-cal since he has been unable to work for several months and has no income. I believe he is heading toward the final stages and has been close to death but God has kept him with his family. My hopes is to raise as much money as we can but anything even if we only raised $400 we are happy with whatever we can do. Hopefully the medi-cal gets approved soon so that we may at least proper hospice care soon. Thank you for your interest and have a blessed day!

I'm not convinced it's an outright scam, but it's certainly misleading. I mean, how do you ask for $500,000 and not know the details of the case you're raising the money for?

But here's the problem I have with your thread, Miike: You were so eager to turn this into an anti-Obamacare rant because of your obvious political proclivities, but this is actually an Obamacare WIN.

This guy is going to get Medi-Cal, which is FREE. Had he remained on his old policy, he would still be paying an insurance company for NOTHING, when he could be getting care and not having to pay at all for the insurance. I have no idea why he didn't immediately apply for Medi-Cal as soon as it was available to him, but that's HIS fault, not Obamacare's.

I just wish she had told the truth, that he is going to get Medi-Cal, but he was late in applying so he doesn't have it yet. Instead, she said he "can't get treatment" because of Obamacare, which isn't even a distortion of the truth; it's just an outright lie.

You can say I'm "defending" Obamacare all you like. I guess if you rabidly and insanely hate it for no good reason, it would seem to you that's what I'm doing. But really, I'm just tired of all the lies. I would be the first to admit there are problems with ACA, but if it were truly as horrible as some of you make it out to be, you wouldn't have to tell lies to make it sound worse than it is.

I actually hope this guy gets assistance. I'm just pissed at the people who are using a tragic situation to take a cheap political shot.

elliemae says

I haven't slandered anyone.

You called this guy a scammer, without any proof. In fact it appears homeboy has emailed the person and has verified that this situation not a scam.

elliemae says

Homeboy and I (as well as several other posters) were simply questioning this
guy's motives, his story, and your unwavering support of something you read on
the interwebs.

Im sorry but you, homeboy and others were not simply questioning this guy. You guys went much further calling him a liar and a scammer.

Furthermore, my point was not to provide "unwavering support" for this guy, but rather to make you guys question your wnwavering criticism of a situation in which you have NO knowledge about.

elliemae says

you are a scammer who is attempting to gain support for your imaginary persona

oh ok.. so now I am a scammer.

Ok so now Homeboy got a response and it does not seem like it is a scam.... what an ASSHOLE you are. Even if you didnt believe this story, you didnt have to call him a scammer...

Homeboy says

I knew it...

you knew what?

Homeboy says

You were so eager to turn this into an anti-Obamacare rant

You are right, this was originally an anti-obamacare thread. I dont deny this. I do not agree with obamacare so when I saw a person lose his insurance because of obamacare, I highlighted this. You do exactly the same, when you see anything good about obamacare you highlight them. This thread however evolved into more than a rant on Obamacare. Many, especially you, were so quick to attack and criticize this guy. As a result, the overwhelming majority of my responses has been in defense of this guy from your criticism, rather than me criticizing obamacare.

Homeboy says

but this is actually an Obamacare WIN.

How? He lost his insurance in the middle of his ongoing treatment for cancer. WTF??!?!?! are you that blind and insane?

Oh wait...Homeboy says

This guy is going to get Medi-Cal, which is FREE. Had he remained on his old
policy, he would still be paying an insurance company for NOTHING, when he could
be getting care and not having to pay at all for the insurance.

Ok so he is getting free medi-cal. You must not know the medical system. I wouldnt take medi-cal even if it was free. The care you get as a medi-cal patient is HORRIBLE. When you say things like this, it makes it pretty clear you have no idea about medi-cal and how horrible the care you get with medi-cal. Trust, me I would be willing to bet a lot of money that he would rather pay to keep his old insurance than get medi-cal.

Homeboy says

I have no idea why he didn't immediately apply for Medi-Cal as soon as it was
available to him, but that's HIS fault, not Obamacare's.

Do you know that he didnt? Considering how backlogged and slow the california govt is, I wouldnt be surprised that it took a long time... Even if he didnt, he shouldnt have lost his insurance to beging with.

Homeboy says

You can say I'm "defending" Obamacare all you like.

You do, in all your posts this is all you do. You wont ever admit anything bad about obamacre, even when people lose their insurance during the middle of their cancer treatments...

BTW homeboy,

what lies did I tell to make obamacare look worse than it is???

Furthermore, now that you emailed and got your answer, shouldnt you apologize for your actions?

How does it feel to have been calling a man dying of cancer a scammer and a liar? Like I said before, my main point in responding to you and others was that NONE of us really know whats going on... therefore no one should have been so quick to judge and criticize.

Your posts were without any compassionate, consideration, thought and it was certainly inhumane. I understand your zealous fervor for obamacare, but this is no way to act regardless of whether this guy criticizes obamacare or not...

No Miike, YOU should apologize for politicizing a man's battle with cancer and turning it into an unwarranted attack on Obamacare.

Facts:

1. He is planning to go on MediCal.
2. Rather than being worse off, he is in fact BETTER off now, since he will be getting free medical insurance.
3. It is a LIE that he "can't get treatment because of Obamacare".
4. The fact that he lost his job and doesn't have any income has nothing to do with Obamacare.

You didn't care about any of these facts, and you had absolutely no interest in finding out the truth. You were quite content to use a lie to falsely criticize Obamacare, because of your own personal bias.

In fact, you are STILL lying. You still pretend that this guy's predicament is the fault of Obamacare, when in fact he can now get BETTER insurance for LESS money. And has the thread title changed? Nope, still the same.

It's still a scam, Miike. I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt since she took the time to answer my email. I still think the situation is misrepresented, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt that she is simply ignorant and misinformed rather than being deliberately deceitful, although I'm probably being far too generous here.

You need to take some of that faux outrage and turn it inward.

Miike says

You wont ever admit anything bad about obamacre

I say Obamacare has problems all the time. I even said it in this very thread. I don't think you know how to read very well. I just don't make up fake things like you do.

Homeboy says

No Miike, YOU should apologize for politicizing a man's battle with cancer and turning it into an unwarranted attack on Obamacare.

Still cant take responsibility eh? Homeboy does the only thing homeboy knows how to do... If I have politicized this mans battle with cancer (which you have been claiming vehemently was a scam) by reporting how a man lost his insurance in the MIDST of his fight with cancer... then im guilty. You are guilty of worse, by defending obamacare through slandering this guys, claiming that he is lying just to hurt obamacare. Who is worse? Ill will take my part of the blame, can you?

Facts:

1. THe man has cancer and you have been proclaiming this whole time he is an liar and a scammer

Homeboy says

1. He is planning to go on MediCal.

2. He plans to get medical - why? Because he was kicked off his insurance because of requirements made by Obamacare.

Homeboy says

2. Rather than being worse off, he is in fact BETTER off now, since he will be getting free medical insurance.

3. Are you serious? He lost his insurance in the MIDST of his care and currently has no care. How is that good???? Furthermore, now his only way to care is through medi-cal, the worst piece of crap insurance you can have. do you have ANY idea what kind of SHIT care he will get with medi-cal? YOu obviously have no idea because if you did, you would realize how F'in stupid that comment is. Ask anyone in health care and see if medi-cal is a good insurance plan. Im sure someone dying of cancer is thrilled about getting free medi-cal while losing his private insurance...

Homeboy says

3. It is a LIE that he "can't get treatment because of Obamacare".

4. Perhaps he can get treatment once he gets in with medi-cal, but the fact at this moment is that he has no insurance cuz he has been discontinued DUE to obamacare. So until he can get on medi-cal this apparently seems to be true..

Homeboy says

4. The fact that he lost his job and doesn't have any income has nothing to do with Obamacare.

5. no, but did anyone even claim this? now you are just making shit up.

Homeboy says

You didn't care about any of these facts, and you had absolutely no interest in finding out the truth. You were quite content to use a lie to falsely criticize Obamacare, because of your own personal bias.

Unfortunately you didnt list any fact. Furthermore you found out the truth when you emailed that person... and the truth was that you were 100% wrong on this - this is not a scam and this is a real situation. Yet you still claim someone is lying? What did I lie about? I made NO claims...

Homeboy says

In fact, you are STILL lying. You still pretend that this guy's predicament is the fault of Obamacare, when in fact he can now get BETTER insurance for LESS money. And has the thread title changed? Nope, still the same.

HIs predicament is the fault of Obamacare... he LOST his insurance because of Obamacare requirements, like millions of other people.

BETTER insurance? WHO is lying now? WTF you are seriously dumb haha. Medical is better insurance? I dont even need to know what his private insurance was... ANY private insurance is better than medi-cal.

Homeboy says

It's still a scam, Miike.

still cant admit it... so you will call this guy a scammer even still...
THe person you emailed may be ignorant and misinformed, but this has not been the argument you have been making. THe argument you have been making is that this was a scam... grow up and grow a pair... admit when you are wrong.

Miike says

Homeboy says

3. It is a LIE that he "can't get treatment because of Obamacare".

4. Perhaps he can get treatment once he gets in with medi-cal, but the fact at this moment is that he has no insurance cuz he has been discontinued DUE to obamacare. So until he can get on medi-cal this apparently seems to be true..

You are full of shit, liar. He can get insurance if he wants it. Prove otherwise, or shut the fuck up.

By the way, Bob asked you to explain this story that doesn't make sense. We're still waiting for an explanation.

Homeboy says

Miike says

Homeboy says

3. It is a LIE that he "can't get treatment because of Obamacare".

4. Perhaps he can get treatment once he gets in with medi-cal, but the fact at this moment is that he has no insurance cuz he has been discontinued DUE to obamacare. So until he can get on medi-cal this apparently seems to be true..

You are full of shit, liar. He can get insurance if he wants it. Prove otherwise, or shut the fuck up.

By the way, Bob asked you to explain this story that doesn't make sense. We're still waiting for an explanation.

Can you tell me where I said he cant get insurance? You resorting to making up shit now eh?

You're not going to respond to any of the half dozen things I called you on out in the previous post???? This is your response? I supposed you are now left to making up things that I didnt say in efforts to divert attention from the bullshit that spews out of your mouth... I am particularly fond of how you think that this guy losing his private insurance was a GOOD thing since he is now able to get Medi-cal. Let me help you remember exactly what you said...

Homeboy says

but this is actually an Obamacare WIN.

Homeboy says

This guy is going to get Medi-Cal, which is FREE. Had he remained on his old policy, he would still be paying an insurance company for NOTHING, when he could be getting care and not having to pay at all for the insurance.

Homeboy says

Rather than being worse off, he is in fact BETTER off now, since he will be getting free medical insurance.

Homeboy says

when in fact he can now get BETTER insurance for LESS money.

Yes, losing your insurance in the middle of being treated for cancer is a good thing. Yes now being able to get Medi-cal (the worse possible insurance) is a good thing. You realize people only get medi-cal because they cant get ANYTHING else. Do you even know anything about Medi-cal???? YOur comments here are the dumbest things ANYONE has ever said in Pnet, that is one HUGE accomplishment!!!! Hats off to you..

Homeboy reposts someone else's words

Thank you so much for your question. As for Mike he was kicked out of his insurance because of the Obamacare. I'm not too familiar with the details about it but I know that currently he is trying to be approved for medi-cal since he has been unable to work for several months and has no income. I believe he is heading toward the final stages and has been close to death but God has kept him with his family. My hopes is to raise as much money as we can but anything even if we only raised $400 we are happy with whatever we can do. Hopefully the medi-cal gets approved soon so that we may at least proper hospice care soon. Thank you for your interest and have a blessed day!

1) The guy has no income, so he can't pay for his insurance. Certainly not the fault of "Obamacare."

2) Her hope is to get the MediCal approved so that "we may at least proper hospice care soon..."

FYI there are non-profit hospices nearly everywhere in the US, certainly in California. Surely one of them would be willing to provide care for poor Mike, whose cancer is "heading toward the final stages..." They would provide for "Mike's" needs, if he truly existed - and would do so in the same manner no matter what the payment source might be.

Miike says

YOur comments here are the dumbest things ANYONE has ever said in Pnet, that is one HUGE accomplishment!!!!

Does anyone else find it suspicious that the photos were posted only after this shitstorm on p-net? And that Miike's grasp of the English language is about the same as that of the link? And that his arguments make as much sense as the linked story? It's almost as if the author of the link and Miike were one and the same.

Sadly (for Miike), his attacks on my character aren't the reason for the deep-seated depression I find myself in the midst of... As much fun as I'm having watching this Miike dude attempt to defend his position as a supporter of an obvious attempt to bilk people of their money, I have a bigger problem:

I agree 100% with homeboy. Is there a 12-step program to help me deal with it?

Miike:

Explain how he is "unable to be treated for his cancer" because of Obamacare.

Explain how he was "kicked out of his insurance".

Explain how he needs $500,000 when he has already applied for Medi Cal.

Explain how insurance you have to pay for is better than insurance that is free.

Tell us what YOU know about Medi Cal. Actual facts, not just ranting.

Since you claim to be "a friend of a friend", it should be no problem for you to answer those questions.

elliemae says

I agree 100% with homeboy. Is there a 12-step program to help me deal with it?

Awww. Now that was just mean. And after I "liked" all your posts...

Miike says

Yes, losing your insurance in the middle of being treated for cancer is a good thing.

It is if the insurance you "lost" was a crappy catastrophic plan that didn't even meet the minimum standards, and you can get better insurance for free.

See, here's something you obviously don't understand: The problem with the old "system" (if you could even call it a system) was that people were getting these lame policies that didn't cover anything, because they were cheap. But then when they DID get cancer or some other major illness, they would find out the hard way that their policy had an extremely high deductible, or lifetime caps on benefits, or didn't cover the treatment they needed.

Here's how it used to go down: "Oh, sorry you still have cancer, but we already paid out all the money we have to, so you're just shit out of luck now. Oh, and by the way, you have a pre-existing condition, so now you can't get insurance AT ALL." That's why illness was the number one cause of bankruptcy. People lost their insurance ALL THE TIME. The difference now is that they can ALWAYS get it back if they want it.

Not only are you defending such a stupid, stupid system, you are insanely screaming, wailing, and ranting because it's not allowed anymore. You really are out of your mind.

Homeboy says

elliemae says

I agree 100% with homeboy. Is there a 12-step program to help me deal with it?

Awww. Now that was just mean. And after I "liked" all your posts...

mean? I woulda thought you'd have laughed your ass off at that one! tough crowd...

What Mike may of implied by his title, "Gotta love Obama Care," is that if Mike Choi was indigent, he would be receiving free healthcare right now for the cancer treatment as a reward for not owning health insurance.

elliemae says

1) The guy has no income, so he can't pay for his insurance. Certainly not
the fault of "Obamacare."

who said that? Stop making up shit.

elliemae says

FYI there are non-profit hospices nearly everywhere in the US, certainly in
California. Surely one of them would be willing to provide care for poor Mike,
whose cancer is "heading toward the final stages..." They would provide for
"Mike's" needs, if he truly existed - and would do so in the same manner no
matter what the payment source might be.

Great so he can get free hospice care, so its ok that he lost his insurance in the midst of his cancer treatment. Thats makes up for it!

Hey since you claim to be so knowledgable about this topic, why dont you help this guy and find him a good hospice? This is what yo do for a living no??

elliemae says

Sadly (for Miike), his attacks on my character aren't the reason for the
deep-seated depression I find myself in the midst of... As much fun as I'm
having watching this Miike dude attempt to defend his position as a supporter of
an obvious attempt to bilk people of their money, I have a bigger problem:

For someone claiming to be a social worker you have very little compassion and for that matter common sense. You claim I am attacking your character? Why would I need to do that? You have already done that for me by making personal attacks on a man dying of cancer.

Homeboy says

Explain how insurance you have to pay for is better than insurance that is
free.

You retard, not all insurance is the same. If you are dying and need tons of care, do you think getting crappy care through medical is good even if it is free???

Homeboy says

Tell us what YOU know about Medi Cal. Actual facts, not just ranting.

Wait, why do you always want to put the burden of proof on me. You made the claim that medical was better than his private insurance. What proof do you have to back that up? Homecheese, why dont you do a little research on medical or for that matter ask your girlfriend elliemae and see how awesome medical is... its not hard.

Only a dumb shit would claim that losing your private insurance and now getting medical is BETTER in the midst of being treated for cancer. If you cant admit that then all reasoning and logic will be lost on you...

Homeboy says

It is if the insurance you "lost" was a crappy catastrophic plan that didn't
even meet the minimum standards, and you can get better insurance for free.

Was it crappy catastrophic insurance? Did he tell you that? Even if it was, I bet you that medical is most likely worse...

Homeboy says

Not only are you defending such a stupid, stupid system, you are insanely
screaming, wailing, and ranting because it's not allowed anymore. You really are
out of your mind.

My title may have been a poke at obamacare, but please tell me where I am defending this current system??? I find that all of your agruments are structure in a way to avoid the topic at hand and to divert to another topic of your choosing...

Much of my posts have been a rebuttal to you and your girlfriends constant attacks and criticisms on this man that you do not know. As I have stated many times, my main problem with you is that you attack and criticize and slander this guy because you FEEL that this is a scam, even after you email the person and basically get a response (which you probably didnt expect). The problem is you guys took this guys comments on obamacare personally and got your panties in a bunch and then resort to slandering and criticizing him to basically discredit him. Thats what I have been calling you out on... You can try to change the subject as much as you want but the fact is you are pissed that obamacare was talked about negatively and now you are attacking...

Miike says

Was it crappy catastrophic insurance? Did he tell you that? Even if it was, I bet you that medical is most likely worse...

The ONLY possible way anyone could "lose" their insurance due to Obamacare, is if that insurance was a bare bones catastrophic junk plan that didn't meet the minimum standards for insurance. THEREFORE, if he lost his plan due to Obamacare, it was not a comprehensive plan. And even if he did "lose" his plan (which the team captain seems very unclear on), he simply has to shop on the exchange and get a new plan, which it appears he has done.

Medi-Cal cannot possibly be worse than his own plan. By law, all insurance must meet minimum standards of coverage. If you claim that his insurance was canceled due to Obamacare, then it is also true that it did not meet the minimum standards of coverage, since there is no other provision in the ACA that would cause an insurance policy to be canceled. This is simple logic, Miike - obviously not your strong suit.

His previous insurance - monthly premium and did not meet minimum standards.

Medi-Cal - no monthly premium and DOES meet minimum standards.

Medi-Cal is better by any objective standard. If you disagree, prove otherwise.

See, the difference between you and me, Miike, is that I form my opinions through evidence and reason, whereas you just make shit up.

Miike says

Wait, why do you always want to put the burden of proof on me.

Because you screamed that Medi-Cal was no good. I believe you wrote:

Furthermore, now his only way to care is through medi-cal, the worst piece of crap insurance you can have. do you have ANY idea what kind of SHIT care he will get with medi-cal?

But you know, Miike? I KNEW you didn't have an iota of evidence to back that up. Because you're just flailing about with your bitter anti-Obamacare baseless rants. That's all you're doing here. I explained why he is better off now. You have done absolutely NOTHING to explain your angry tirade that Medi-Cal is "shit" and "the worst piece of crap insurance you can have".

Homeboy says

The ONLY possible way anyone could "lose" their insurance due to Obamacare, is if that insurance was a bare bones catastrophic junk plan that didn't meet the minimum standards for insurance. THEREFORE, if he lost his plan due to Obamacare, it was not a comprehensive plan.

YOu are clearly a retard that doesnt know crap. YOu imply that because these plans didnt meet the minimum requirements, the plan was bare bones. So because a plan didnt pay 100% for preventative care, its bare bones? If a plan didnt have maternity coverage, its bare bones? If a plan doesnt have childrens dental and vision its bare bones? If a plan doesnt pay for substance abuse, its bare bones? YOu are clearly a retard. A plan could have AWESOME coverage for EVERYTHING else, but not meet ONE requirement and it would not meet the standards for ACA. Are you really that stupid or just being deceitful as always?

Homeboy says

Medi-Cal cannot possibly be worse than his own plan.

Homeboy says

Medi-Cal - no monthly premium and DOES meet minimum standards.

Homeboy says

Medi-Cal is better by any objective standard. If you disagree, prove otherwise.

Homeboy says

See, the difference between you and me, Miike, is that I form my opinions through evidence and reason, whereas you just make shit up.

Homeboy says

I KNEW you didn't have an iota of evidence to back that up.

Let me ask you something... what do you know about medi-cal? Probably nothing. Now let me tell you why medi-cal sucks.

Have you ever seen how medi-cal patients are treated???? How long do you think it takes to get into see a primary care doc with medi-cal? How much time do you think a doctor spends with their medi-cal patients vs their private insurance patients? How long do you think you will have to wait to see a specialist? Can you even get access to specialists? How many physicians are willing to accept medi-cal? Does that mean you have to choose from 10 doctors instead of a 1000? Will you have to drive 40 miles to see someone rather than 10 miles if you had private insurance? Will you be seen by some foreign medical doc who you cant even understand? Can you get access to certain treatments and medications? Would some doctors purposefully try to avoid seeing medi-cal patients? YOu can talk all about how medi-cal meets minimum requirements. It may look good on paper, but in reality it performs like shit. You are living an dream if you think medi-cal is better... or you're just a fool. Probably the latter.

http://www.modbee.com/2013/03/09/2614005/patient-influx-too-few-doctors.html

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/11/physicians-hesitant-medicaid-patients.html

http://www.chcf.org/publications/2010/07/physician-participation-in-medical

http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/25/who-will-treat-those-new-medicaid-patien

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/03/more-medicaid-means-less-quality-health-care

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/11/studies-show-medicaid-patients-have-worse-access-and-outcomes-than-the-privately-insured

just a few articles... too many to post.

If you dont believe me nor these articles, why not just ask any healthcare professional on the forum about medi-cal (medicaid)...

BTW homeboy,

you going to continue slandering this guy by calling him a scammer? or have you forgiven him for criticizing obamacare?

The best plan is to not work and get everything for free, like homeboy as well as unfortunately 60% of today's population.

Miike says

who said that? Stop making up shit.

His story has so many holes in it... yet you are able to come up with all sorts of inside scoop on this guy. Ya gotta be very low income in order to qualify for MediCal, so I figured this out.

Miike says

Hey since you claim to be so knowledgable about this topic, why dont you help this guy and find him a good hospice? This is what yo do for a living no??

I am extremely "knowledgable" (hey, have you ever heard of "spell check?") about hospice, insurances and medical care. That is how I can sniff out a scam - which your good buddy appears to be perpetrating.

We are enjoying the shit out of harassing you over your unwavering support of some dude whose only proof he was screwed by the Affordable Healthcare Act is a posting on a site where he begs for money. He has so many believers that he has been able to raise $420. Yay!!!!

You can continue your failed attempts to attack those people who don't believe you. However, each time you write another post, you just look like a bigger idiot. And each time, I'm surprised because I didn't think it was possible.

BTW, I do not locate hospices for people for a living. It's not hard, all one of his supporters (or he, or his doctor, or you) needs to do is pick up a phone and call a local hospice. I'm hoping that you aren't so "retarded" (it takes one to know one) that you aren't able to dial a phone...

Miike says

Let me ask you something... what do you know about medi-cal? Probably nothing.

We can read, Miike. Do you have any personal experience with MediCal, or do you simply believe everything you read on the interwebs?

Again - and for the last time, because this horse is so dead it smells - this guy's claim of his lack of medical care due to a failure of the Affordable Healthcare Act doesn't hold water.

carrieon says

The best plan is to not work and get everything for free, like homeboy as well as unfortunately 60% of today's population.

You have been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh.

Miike says

just a few articles... too many to post.

Interesting. The first article you posted says, "Low Medi-Cal rates are addressed, temporarily at least, by Obamacare. Starting in January and lasting two years, reimbursement rates for many primary care services in Medi-Cal will jump to Medicare levels, funded by the federal government."

And then the rest of the articles talk about how the reimbursement rates are lower than Medicare and doctors don't want to take Medi-Cal patients. So it looks like that problem has been solved.

What else ya got?

Besides, he doesn't have to get Medi-Cal if he doesn't want to. He's free to sign up for any insurance plan he wants.

Miike says

YOu are clearly a retard that doesnt know crap.

You seem like a bitter, angry person. Let's go over those questions again:

Explain how he is "unable to be treated for his cancer" because of Obamacare.

Explain how he was "kicked out of his insurance".

Explain how he needs $500,000 when he has already applied for Medi Cal.

Explain how insurance you have to pay for is better than insurance that is free.

elliemae says

I am extremely "knowledgable" (hey, have you ever heard of "spell check?") about hospice, insurances and medical care.

THen why dont you tell homeboy how awesome medi-cal is...

elliemae says

We are enjoying the shit out of harassing you

That is funny, is this what you call harassment? I appreciate the nightly laugh you give me.

elliemae says

where he begs for money

elliemae says

He has so many believers that he has been able to raise $420. Yay!!!!

So by furthering belittling this guy and his efforts, you are trying to do what exactly??? haha You make it seem like I would be personally hurt by you saying these things. Not good enough you call this guy a scammer but this also? This only further reveals your character...
DIdnt they teach you about compassion, consideration and empathy in school for social work?

elliemae says

I'm hoping that you aren't so "retarded" (it takes one to know one)

Is this why you and homecheese think alike and act the exact same way?

Miike says

Is this why you and homecheese think alike and act the exact same way?

Why is it your "friend" who verified this story can't tell you the circumstances of all the problems you allege? Simply answer the questions raised. Not possible it looks like.

Homeboy says

What else ya got?

DId you actually read those articles?

Um let me summarize the facts.

1. Man gets cancer
2. man needs a lot of care and treatment
3. man loses private insurance in middle of cancer treatment
4. Man now has to apply for medi-cal (which I dont believe in the email you linked he has received yet) Currently not receiving treatment while he applies.
5. You claim this is better now becuz medi-cal is free and he can apply for it now.
6. You ignore fact that even with medi-cal he now has to look for all new doctors. There are much less doctors that will accept medi-cal. Even if he can find doctors, his ability to schedule appointments, get follow up is poor. And finally many studies show poor outcomes in medicaid patients versus private insurance patients due to various quality issues.

elliemae says

Do you have any personal experience with MediCal, or do you simply believe everything you read on the interwebs?

Oh btw elliemae, the answer to this question is yes. I have been a practicing physician for 14 years now. So why dont you be honest here and tell your boyfriend homecheese how awesome medi-cal is...

Miike says

1. Man gets cancer

2. man needs a lot of care and treatment

3. man loses private insurance in middle of cancer treatment

4. Man now has to apply for medi-cal (which I dont believe in the email you linked he has received yet) Currently not receiving treatment while he applies.

5. You claim this is better now becuz medi-cal is free and he can apply for it now.

6. You ignore fact that even with medi-cal he now has to look for all new doctors. There are much less doctors that will accept medi-cal. Even if he can find doctors, his ability to schedule appointments, get follow up is poor. And finally many studies show poor outcomes in medicaid patients versus private insurance patients due to various quality issues.

He doesn't have to get Medi-Cal. In his case, if what was emailed to me is correct, he doesn't have any money, so that would be a good choice since there is no monthly premium. But he is free to pay for other insurance if he wants it. There are very affordable options on Covered California.

So your point is stupid. If Medi-Cal is that bad, then don't fucking get it. Big deal.

He didn't get kicked off his insurance. You don't even know what happened, but it is impossible to be kicked off your insurance. It is illegal under ACA. If his particular policy was discontinued, all he has to do is choose a new one. So he has a choice: get FREE insurance, or continue to pay for insurance. What is so awful about that?

If he is uninsured, it is his own fault. He should have applied on time. There is no way on earth a rational person could blame this on Obamacare. The events, as described, are impossible.

You can whine and cry and call people names all you like, but logically, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

bob2356 says

Miike says

Is this why you and homecheese think alike and act the exact same way?

Why is it your "friend" who verified this story can't tell you the circumstances of all the problems you allege? Simply answer the questions raised. Not possible it looks like.

Bob,
why is this so hard for you to understand. I cant tell you because I do not know. I do not know because this is NOT my friend.
Why dont I ask my friend? because it is not my business to pry into the life of a man dying of cancer, especially to satisfy you guys, who are complete strangers and have been attacking this guy for no good reason.

All I know is that the guy is dying of cancer and he needs money because he lost his job. Frankly thats all i need to know because MY friend who knows this guy personally told me so.... and I believe my friend. He has NO reason to make this up.

Homeboy however apparently has no discretion and felt that he should email the person who set up the website. I only know what he posted, but after he got the email it appeared that he was at least somewhat convinced (although he later contradicted himself and went on to call him a scammer again).

Homeboy says

I'm not convinced it's an outright scam, but it's certainly misleading.

I do believe you guys are missing the entire point of my previous posts.
Regardless of whether you believe this guy or not, none of you can be sure if this is true or not. If you disagree with this, I challenge anyone to post any solid evidence or proof.

The majority of my responses have been in defense of this guy because people like homeboy and elliemae have been bascially slandering this guys name, calling him a scammer. I just dont think that is the right thing to do. IN all honesty we know why they are doing this... because obamacare was criticized and therefore they now have to retaliate and make attempts to discredit. Nevertheless, it is still very distasteful to call a man dying of cancer a liar and a scammer regardless of his views on obamacare.

Furthermore, I have never denied that I could be wrong and this guy really is a scam. BUt again the point again is that none of us know for sure. If you guys think he is scamming, that fine... However why not just keep it to yourselves or at the very least politely or tastefully question the integrity of the website that was put up in the case that you are wrong. I would think that that is what a normal thoughtful logical human being might do. Rather I saw cold and harsh comments with every attempts to slander and tarnish a mans reputation without any considerations that this man they slander could in fact be truly dying of cancer. I was really taken aback by the callousness of some of you guys... I suppose this is the reason why I kept responding to these post.

Miike says

Bob,

why is this so hard for you to understand. I cant tell you because I do not know. I do not know because this is NOT my friend.

Why dont I ask my friend? because it is not my business to pry into the life of a man dying of cancer, especially to satisfy you guys, who are complete strangers and have been attacking this guy for no good reason.

Oh, I see. You don't know the facts, and you aren't interested in finding out the facts, yet you felt justified in taking a shot at Obamacare, even though you have no evidence that Obamacare is responsible for the problem. Nice.

Homeboy says

So your point is stupid. If Medi-Cal is that bad, then don't fucking get it. Big deal.

Ahhh it seems that you have finally come to your senses and realized that medi-cal is shitty... BUT you are still a dumbass for even suggesting that medi-cal was good.

Homeboy says

He didn't get kicked off his insurance. You don't even know what happened, but it is impossible to be kicked off your insurance.

Um yeah, I dont know exactly what happened. Neither do you. HOwever he said that he was "kicked off his insurance because obamacare". You being so stupid, I wouldnt expect you to make this connection, but the fact that many millions of people lost their insurance plans because of ACA requirements is probably what this guy is eluding to. Again I could be wrong, but doesnt this seem most plausible? If so, then it does appear he lost his insurance, or as someone else may say, he was "kicked off" his insurance, as mandated by minimum requirements of obamacare. YOu can disingenuous and argue about exact wording but we all know what he meant...Well we all, excluding you, i mean.

Homeboy says

So he has a choice: get FREE insurance, or continue to pay for insurance. What is so awful about that?

Man how many times must I drill this into your head. Let me list it since it may be easier for you to understand.

Reasons why it is awful to lose your insurance during while being diagnosed with cancer.

1. You lost your insurance!
2. now you may have a period where you are not covered
3. even if you get something new, you may have to switch doctors, switch hospitals. WOuldnt it be lovely to go through all this crap while being treated for cancer?????
4. Medi-cal although free, sucks ass. Didnt I cover this in previous posts? Is anything in life for free that great??? ... well besides love. you getting any love at home homecheese?

Homeboy says

If he is uninsured, it is his own fault. He should have applied on time.

Yes, it is his own fault that obamacare had these requirements that forced policies to be closed... Maybe he did apply on time, but man, those websites just took so damn long to load up.

Homeboy says

There is no way on earth a rational person could blame this on Obamacare. The events, as described, are impossible.

I believe the only thing he blamed on Obamacare was that he lost his insurance. Had there been no minimum ACA requirements, then he would have been still on his old policy.

Homeboy says

You can whine and cry and call people names all you like, but logically, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

I guess if you keep saying this, it may become true. WHy even post nonsense like this... unless you do it to make yourself feel better.

BTW, I find it funny how you keep bringing up obamacare in everything you write. Are you sure you didnt attack and slander this guy cuz he criticized obamacare? It sure sounds like it...

Homeboy says

Oh, I see. You don't know the facts, and you aren't interested in finding out the facts, yet you felt justified in taking a shot at Obamacare, even though you have no evidence that Obamacare is responsible for the problem. Nice.

My posts here have never really been about Obamacare. Rather its really been about me calling you out on claiming this guy was a scammer and a liar without any solid proof or evidence. HHHmmm how ironic, you accuse me of saying something without evidence, but you are doing exactly what you claim I am doing.... projecting much???

BTW, im still chuckling about how you think FREE medi-cal is BETTER and that is a win for obamacare. You can claim that you are not attacking this guy because of his criticism of obamacare, but you sure dont act like it...
This guys proclaims he lost his insurance because obamacare ( which may very likely be true because of the min ACA requirements). I titled his post "gotta love obamacare" as a result of this.