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If South Carolina voted to secede from the United States, as Crimea idiotically voted to do from Ukraine, these fuckin' traitors would speak out in support (while sending fundraising letters to the "patriots" of that state).

Funny how secessionist traitors are only secessionist traitors when they're (a) not Americans, and (b) have no money to send to the GOP.

Correct.
But this is a foreign policy topic with worldly repercussions, not a domestic spat easily resolved with a blue on gray scuffle...

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Funny how secessionist traitors are only secessionist traitors when they're not Americans.

If only the 47% had accepted their position in the larger scheme of things and not taken it so personally, Mitt would be IT and the world would be a safer place today...

Remember the debates:

Dont need a strong Navy, the Sequester wont happen:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/aV1VUS3Q2W0

Obama: Romney you said that Russia was the biggest threat. Your wrong, "the cold war is over".

http://www.youtube.com/embed/T1409sXBleg

Obama was not only wrong on each of his talking points, he was 180 degrees out of phase with what is happening.

Bad idea to smoke weed all through high school and college.

The New Testament is not good enough for Romney. He needs a special Book of Mormon.

Someone tell him what the definition of blasphemy is.

How many Rep/Con/Tea Christians voted for him? God can decide what to do with these.

This is damning evidence....

Entitlemented says

Remember the debates:

Dont need a strong Navy, the Sequester wont happen:

This is what happens when people vote for someone, just because they want to be part of something "unique". A viable alternative to having your cake and eating it too would have been to cast a write-in vote for Colin Powell.

The bigger question is how many democrats voted for him, forever enshrining themselves on the correct side of history?

HEY YOU says

The New Testament is not good enough for Romney. He needs a special Book of Mormon.

Someone tell him what the definition of blasphemy is.

How many Rep/Con/Tea Christians voted for him? God can decide what to do with these.

When you stand by and cast 'absent' on just about every vote in your political career, what else would one expect when the setting is switched over to the world stage? It's understandable that americans were/are weary of conflict and that maybe 'absent' was the prevalent mood at the time...

Unlike community activities, 'timeouts' on the world stage have massive consequences.

Goodbye Baltic states, you are next.
NATO won't lift a finger to save your asses...It's simple math.
From the nuclear standpoint it's a standoff. Nobody can pull the trigger without self destructing.
From the ground forces point Russia has the overwhelming majority in the area.
From the 'will to defend' standpoint, well, there isn't any.

Nothing can stop them now from reassembling the soviet empire.

Entitlemented says

Obama was not only wrong on each of his talking points, he was 180 degrees out of phase with what is happening.

Bad idea to smoke weed all through high school and college.

Who is more of a war-mongering psycho:

John McCain or Vladimir Putin
George W. Bush or Vladimir Putin

I think we know the answer.

This smells like a Cuban Missile Crisis redux. We've been trying to stick missiles into Ukraine for a long time, this was bound to happen. Just glad it didn't spin off into a WW3.

And politicians, they are always the same thing. Right wingers out here they scream Russia is evil, and Russian right wingers scream that we US are the evil... and that political war mongering circle jerk goes around.

Yes, and what bothers me is that the neocon retreads, who have been wrong, wrong, wrong on every foreign policy issue since 1994, are now correct. I wish they had restrained from their flawless record of partisanship through the past 20 years.

So now we have a real problem on our hands.

It would sure be nice to have all that cash we spent in Iraq right now. And to have future presidents in the pipeline who weren't compromised by their support of Iraq '03 - this is why Hillary needs to retire in shame and disgrace.

SoftShell says

Correct.

But this is a foreign policy topic with worldly repercussions, not a domestic spat easily resolved with a blue on gray scuffle...

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Funny how secessionist traitors are only secessionist traitors when they're not Americans.

Necon rightwingers -dumb enough to think that going to war with Russia is the same as Syria.

This is not our business. let us focus on not being the country that throws the most people in jail.

I already called putin a psycho, why are you repeating me?

justme says

Who is more of a war-mongering psycho:

John McCain or Vladimir Putin

George W. Bush or Vladimir Putin

I think we know the answer.

Absent?

justme says

Who is more of a war-mongering psycho:

John McCain or Vladimir Putin

George W. Bush or Vladimir Putin

I think we know the answer.

SoftShell says

I already called putin a psycho, why are you repeating me?

Putin is a shrewd , calculating leader who took over Crimea without firing a shot.

We spent a trillion plus in iraq -what did we get?? How many of our soldiers dead and how many iraqis dead -for what-so a few corporations become rich??

Just because we fucked up on false data, doesn't exonerate Putin annexing part of an independent country.

Oh, and there are russian and ukrainian people dead over this. Shots were and will be fired...

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

I already called putin a psycho, why are you repeating me?

Putin is a shrewd , calculating leader who took over Crimea without firing a shot.

We spent a trillion plus in iraq -what did we get?? How many of our soldiers dead and how many iraqis dead -for what-so a few corporations become rich??

SoftShell says

Just because we fucked up on false data, doesn't exonerate Putin annexing
part of an independent country.

Oh, and there are russian and ukrainian people dead over this. Shots were and
will be fired...

Two people and after the annexation was over. False data?-I have ocean view condos in Phoenix for a discount price of a million dollar per shack.

Crimea , Russia have a long history. Not our business-maybe focus on the fact that we throw more people in jail than any nation on earth.

Talking right or wrong is one thing-but rightwingers are actually proposing some sort of war with Russia- WTF???

If you like your peninsula, you can keep your peninsula.

You really need to educate yourself before commenting on shit you don't know....
The Left in this country officially made Ukraine our business way back when....
Oh well, just another US commitment ignored by our leaders...
Time for China to take over those japanese islands they covet so much...

A deal was signed on February 5, 1994, by Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, John Major and Leonid Kuchma-the then-leaders of the United States, Russia, United Kingdom and Ukraine-guaranteeing the security of Ukraine in exchange for the return of its ICBMs to Moscow's control. The last SS-24 missiles moved from Ukrainian territory in June 1996, leaving Kiev defenseless against its nuclear-armed neighbor.

http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/28/ukraine-russia-nuclear-weapons-vladimir-putin.html
lostand confused says

Crimea , Russia have a long history. Not our business-maybe focus on the fact that we throw more people in jail than any nation on earth.

Link??

lostand confused says

but rightwingers are actually proposing some sort of war with Russia- WTF???

This is Damning Evidence....

SoftShell says

A deal was signed on February 5, 1994, by Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, John Major and Leonid Kuchma-the then-leaders of the United States, Russia, United Kingdom and Ukraine-guaranteeing the security of Ukraine in exchange for the return of its ICBMs to Moscow's control. The last SS-24 missiles moved from Ukrainian territory in June 1996, leaving Kiev defenseless against its nuclear-armed neighbor.

http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/28/ukraine-russia-nuclear-weapons-vladimir-putin.html

lostand confused says

Crimea , Russia have a long history. Not our business-maybe focus on the fact that we throw more people in jail than any nation on earth.

First time on the internet??

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+did+bush+do+when+russia+invaded+georgia&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS431US431&oq=what+did+bush+do+when+russia+invaded+georgia&aqs=chrome..69i57.9108j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=2&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Tim Aurora says

My question is what did G.W.Bush do when Georgia was invaded by Russia.

All irrelevant.
Our last treaty with Ukraine, signed by Clinton, says we will defend them from foreign invasion.
We had no such treaty with Georgia.

Tim Aurora says

Compared to that Russia has more reasons to go to Crimea because

1. It is a Russian majority

2. It was "given" to Ukraine by Russia in 1956

3. Russia has a big fleet at Ukrainian ports

4. Russia did not want to lose the erstwhile Soviet Republics to NATO who have been swallowing the erstwhile Communist countries such as Poland into its fold.

I wonder if BgaMall knows that I can't read his posts until he unblocks me...

New comment by bgamall4 in Neville/Adolf redux..:
SoftShell says
A deal was signed on February 5, 1994, by Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, John Major and Leonid Kuchma-the then-leaders of the United States, Russia, United Kingdom and Ukraine-guaranteeing the security of Ukraine in exchange for the return of its ICBMs to Moscow's control. The last SS-24 missiles moved from Ukrainian territory in June 1996, leaving Kiev defenseless against its nuclear-armed neighbor.
I wonder if Clinton knew that we could meddle with the Ukraine easier if they didn't have nukes. After all the target was Russia!
Reply

SoftShell says

Link??

lostand confused says

but rightwingers are actually proposing some sort of war with Russia- WTF???

Here is McCain -favorite war monger .
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/15/mccain-calls-u-s-military-support-for-ukraine-right-and-decent/comment-page-2/

SoftShell says

You really need to educate yourself before commenting on shit you don't
know....
The Left in this country officially made Ukraine our business way
back when....
Oh well, just another US commitment ignored by our
leaders...
Time for China to take over those japanese islands they covet so
much...

Typical right wing blood lust. I do not view the world through my left wing/right wing construct.

So now you are a giant Clinton supporter? First of all , as your link points out-that is not a formal treaty. Second -how many American ,Russian, Ukrainian lives are you willing to sacrifice for your blood lust??

Typical chest thumping American telling the world about right and wrong while we arrest more people thna any nation on earth. Maybe sing freedom songs to all our prisoners??

There is no US commitment to Russia. To me it looks like, just a chance for some people to take shots at Obama. Don't think US cares about Ukraine, hell I had to google it just to see where it is.

The US commitment is to Ukraine, not Russia.

FortWayne says

There is no US commitment to Russia. To me it looks like, just a chance for some people to take shots at Obama. Don't think US cares about Ukraine, hell I had to google it just to see where it is.

Neither do I.
I am just pointing out what party signed the treaty with Ukraine promising to protect them if they gave up their nukes.
What's wrong with that?

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

You really need to educate yourself before commenting on shit you don't

know....
The Left in this country officially made Ukraine our business way

back when....
Oh well, just another US commitment ignored by our

leaders...
Time for China to take over those japanese islands they covet so

much...

Typical right wing blood lust. I do not view the world through my left wing/right wing construct.

If i was into blood lust i'd be following the "asshole for auction" thread, not this one...
lostand confused says

So now you are a giant Clinton supporter? First of all , as your link points out-that is not a formal treaty. Second -how many American ,Russian, Ukrainian lives are you willing to sacrifice for your blood lust??

Did you even read your own link?
McCain offers Ukraine long term military assistance, not starting a war with Russia....
Now if Russia moves against Ukraine, that's a whole different issue...

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

Link??

lostand confused says

but rightwingers are actually proposing some sort of war with Russia- WTF???

Here is McCain -favorite war monger .

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/15/mccain-calls-u-s-military-support-for-ukraine-right-and-decent/comment-page-2/

SoftShell says

Neither do I.
I am just pointing out what party signed the treaty with
Ukraine promising to protect them if they gave up their nukes.
What's wrong
with that?

if you read your own link, you would realize that is not a treaty they signed.

SoftShell says

If i was into blood lust i'd be following the "asshole for auction" thread, not this one...
lostand confused says

So now you are a giant Clinton supporter? First of all , as your link points out-that is not a formal treaty. Second -how many American ,Russian, Ukrainian lives are you willing to sacrifice for your blood lust??

Bloodlust is for killing people not having a good time. But hey keep going-lets kill more Americans, more Russians and have more wounded and scarred for life.

Well...history teaches us that pacification of tyrants while they take over independent nations = 50,000,000 to 80,000,00 dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

WWII started in similar fashion to putin/crimia while Neville et al quietly looked on.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germany-annexes-austria

Or don't you pay attention to history?

Oh...I see...you are one of those people that believe the world is ruled by giant gentle kings....

Kerry said. "You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext."

It's time for you to grow up. The world is filled with human animals. All kinds.
Sometimes you just have to deal with the cards that are dealt.

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

If i was into blood lust i'd be following the "asshole for auction" thread, not this one...

lostand confused says

So now you are a giant Clinton supporter? First of all , as your link points out-that is not a formal treaty. Second -how many American ,Russian, Ukrainian lives are you willing to sacrifice for your blood lust??

Bloodlust is for killing people not having agood time. But hey keep going-lets kill more Americans, more Russinas and have more wounded and scarred for life.

Just remember King Obama: The cold war with Russia is over. What are you thinking, of Horses and Bayonets.........

Social Engineering is the way to cure all ills...........

SoftShell says

Well...history teaches us that pacification of tyrants while they take over
independent nations = 50,000,000 to 80,000,00 dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

WWII started in similar fashion to putin/crimia while Neville et al quietly
looked on.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germany-annexes-austria

Or don't you pay attention to history?

Oh...I see...you are one of those people that believe the world is ruled by
giant gentle kings....

We are not the world police. We throw more people in jail than any nation on earth. We spy on all Americans. if you want to stop pacifying tyrants show the same anger against our govt. SoftShell says

It's time for you to grow up. The world is filled with human animals. All
kinds.
Sometimes you just have to deal with the cards that are dealt.

it is time for you to grow up and live in the real world. So what are you suggesting -war with Russia??

no.
But make them pay a real price that will have them thinking twice before continuing....start with their economy and the ruble. Make the russian people feel it hard in their pocketbooks. Let them overthrow the instigators.

Standing idly by and doing nothing is repeating history.

50,000,000 to 80,000,000 people dead in WWII....how does that sit with you?

lostand confused says

it is time for you to grow up and live in the real world. So what are you suggesting -war with Russia??

SoftShell says

Standing idly by and doing nothing is repeating history.

50,000,000 to 80,000,000 people dead in WWII....how does that sit with
you?

Hogwash. Everything is about the current situation. Russia invaded a couple of other countries during the height of the cold war and nobody did "anything". The whole cold war and treaty system was about preventing mutuallly assured destruction.

Crimea and Russia have a history going back centuries. They have a surplus and they know a hard time-their people are a lot more resilient than our 300 pound tub of lard welfare hordes. We are broke, sinking in trillions of dollars of debt.

Grow up and stop living in Sarah Palin platitudes. In life or when you get in a fight-gauge your strenght and that of the enemy. if there is a good chance of you being wiped out-then think very deeply before joining.

If Russia hits back and a few countries go off the dollar standard-you think we can take that or our welfare hordes??

Oh and percentage wise, we throw more people in jail than Russia. That is not a position you want to be when claiming the moral high ground. America cannot talk about freedom to any country in the world-because we throw way more people in jail than any of them. Charity begins at home.