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What's typical bullshit is your description of the situation.
The people accusing him of desertion are the people who were there and know firsthand the situation on the ground. They alone know what really happened out there.
The right wing machinery is just amplifying their message for political gain, which is politics 101 in the USA.

marcus says

Typical bullshit.

He disappears, and later it is found out he is a captive of terrorists. 5 years later the vast right wing machinery goes to work finding guys who somehow magically know that when he dissappeared it was desertion

This is damning evidence.

lakermania says

“Please don’t list my name– I am here in Afghanistan– I know the story and the accounts that he was drunk or that he was lagging behind on patrol are not true– this soldier planned this move for a long time. He walked off the post with a day’s supply of water and had written down before that he wanted to live in the mountains. He has violated the Code of Conduct in his 28 minute speech and he is an e[m]barrassment to everyone who has worn the uniform. He made it to two towns and was asking for water when the locals turned him over to the Taliban. That is really all I can say– since we are still looking for this soldier.”

Well he's the best damn Hero Obama can buy right now.

If Obama or the Fleaban had shot this guy, the wingers would have gone nuts about Obama abandoning him.

Perhaps...

Obama should have sent in Seal team six, it's worked before... Right?

CaptainShuddup says

Obama should have sent in Seal team six, it's worked before... Right?

A very dark moment in our nation's history: For once, a president used the military to actually accomplish an objective. A moment of deep shame for all of us.

Conservatives, already in a sore-loser snit over the 2008 election, really pouted after that one.

This case keeps getting weirder, looks like this guy was promoted from private to Sergeant in captivity.

And 5 men died looking for him.

" According to firsthand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera and a diary."

Does the guy have mental issues? Why would someone do that in Afghanistan. maybe he just lost it?? Curious. Though six people lost their lives in search for him? Hmm, did he have something to trade-not sure what is going on- something odd about the whole thing.

lostand confused says

a digital camera

I think he was playing hockey with a warped puck at that point.

lakermania says

And 5 men died looking for him.

Obama got men killed on behalf of someone who was still alive.

What about killing 3500 Americans in Iraq, plus over 100,000 maimings and head injuries, on behalf of 3000 people in NYC who were most definitely dead?

If there's one thing that's clear is that Bergdahl must be sold into slavery to perserve the honor of the republic. And that's truly the most humane option because joseph/adolph/saddam would have him shot on the spot or placed into permanent witness protection program via acid bath.

9-11,perfect example of abject incompetence.
It's Obama's fault.

lakermania says

When it becomes more clear and open, that this guy indeed was a deserter, you might feel a little silly about your rant.

Maybe.

It's true, I don't know the story.

Then again, do we really know what he was up to ? MAybe the reason the govt wanted him back is to try him, and also to find out what he learned in those 5 years.

Do we really know how valuable (or dangerous) the 5 are that he was traded for ?

Maybe Obama is intentionally try to hurt his own credibility. Maybe that's what this is really about.

I think people forget that when the government does something like this, the reasons are not always obvious, and it probably was done at the bequest of people outside of the administration. Obama okayed it though. That's true.

Boy, don't you look the dumbass now.....

'He willingly deserted': Freed POW's former platoon-mates call for him to face COURT-MARTIAL as they reveal how he left post. Army made comrades sign gagging orders
Specialist Cody Full, 25, says Bowe Bergdahl is 'a deserter at best, and a traitor at worst'
Specialist Gerald Sutton, 31, calls the newly rescued infantryman's decision to desert his unit 'premeditated'
Both men, who served with Bergdahl in Afghanistan, say he should be hauled into a military court to face the music
'He's not a hero. He's not a good example,' Full told MailOnline
'This might be kinda severe,' Sutton said, 'but for desertion in time of war, the penalty can be up to death'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646787/He-face-court-martial-desertion-Two-former-Bowe-Bergdahl-platoon-mates-say-thousands-danger-abandoned-Army-post.html

marcus says

Typical bullshit.

He disappears, and later it is found out he is a captive of terrorists. 5 years later the vast right wing machinery goes to work finding guys who somehow magically know that when he dissappeared it was desertion.

Obama abandoned our men in Benghazi because he hates Christians.

He made a deal to rescue a deserter because he loves Muslims.

Iosef V HydroCabron says

A very dark moment in our nation's history: For once, a president used the military to actually accomplish an objective. A moment of deep shame for all of us.

Conservatives, already in a sore-loser snit over the 2008 election, really pouted after that one.

Hey Jesse James was shot in the head, but they were still able to identify him. Name one enemy or criminal who was killed and the body was never shown, and it was called bringing someone to justice? Obama has lied far more than he has told the truth. There's no telling who's laying on the bottom of the Ocean missing a face.

GOP: "Leave our POWs/MIAs behind. Forget them."

He deserted.

The scary thing is that there may be other guys who have deserted and Obama can use them as a pretext to let more guys out of Gitmo who deserve to be executed, not released.

This is an impeachable move by Obama by the way, the law clearly says that Obama must tell Congress of his plans to release people from Gitmo 30 days in advance.

Despite the dimwits who love Obama, the president is not an elected king who can do whatever his whims dictate.

Even Jimmy Carter is happy, Obama is making him look good which is really amazing.

clambo says

Even Jimmy Carter is happy, Obama is making him look good which is really amazing.

Gee, I wonder whether you've had a strong bias all along, even before he was elected.

Republicans like to get democrat Presidents in during ugly economic times. Because it's so easy to blame them.

Bergdahl is Obama's new ballet instructor. Good ballet instructors are hard to find and the exchange was a cheap price to pay.

Now, Bergdahl and Obama will be twirling in tutus for at lest an hour a day so our fearless leader is relaxed and confident to make even better decisions.

CaptainShuddup says

There's no telling who's laying on the bottom of the Ocean missing a face.

Or whether they actually had bin laden and kept him alive in some secure location indefinitely, for the purpose of obtaining information.

Yes, Obama lying about such things is a new development and entirely out of character for our govt (i.e. NSA, CIA etc).

IT's all Obama's fault. He alone makes all decisions pertaining to these matters. It must keep him busy though, when CIA, NSA, and the Military check with him on every single thing they do. You would think they would give the generals and the civilian leaders a little bit of decision making power.

Haha even Dianne Feinstein is pissed Congress wasn't notified before the trade, although I think she just got her feelings hurt that Harry Reid was given a heads up but not her, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee. At least she was given a personal apology by Obama.

Vladimir Putin would ensure that on his next trip to Dennys that his soda would "accidentally" contain polonium 210.

lakermania says

Way to go Obama. You not only put future soldiers at risk by trading captured terrorists for soldiers, and acting unilaterally, against the law, by not notifying congress, you may have done all that to trade for a deserter, possibly even a traitor.

So then you're saying that Obama should have taken it upon himself to unilaterally judge this guy guilty of desertion, without a trial, and then leave him in Afghanistan, not even trying to get him back. And if that had happened, you would be happy, and you would have congratulated Obama on doing the right thing. Yeah, I believe that...

BTW, there is a news article just today saying Obama consulted Congress, so I'm not sure why you're saying he didn't. Maybe because you're basically just a very angry person?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/obama-congress-consulted-prisoner-exchange-23970125

Homeboy says

So then you're saying that Obama should have taken it upon himself to unilaterally judge this guy guilty of desertion, without a trial, and then leave him in Afghanistan, not even trying to get him back.

That's what Reagan would have done, except Reagan would have parachuted, at night, into Afghanistan in a black tank top, muscle pants & bandanna, with shoe polish smeared all over his bulging pecs, delts, lats, tris, and biceps, and finished him off himself. With a K-bar (no noise).

Obama the dictator is responsible for all decisions down to courts-martial of privates and IRS non-profit designations out in Cincinnati: everything crosses his desk. (This is in contrast to Christ Christie, who cannot possibly know or answer for anything his direct reports do.)

Obama is compensating for the first benghazi, by freeing this sgt. Benghazi dude

Homeboy says

So then you're saying that Obama should have taken it upon himself to unilaterally judge this guy guilty of desertion, without a trial, and then leave him in Afghanistan, not even trying to get him back. And if that had happened, you would be happy, and you would have congratulated Obama on doing the right thing. Yeah, I believe that...

BTW, there is a news article just today saying Obama consulted Congress, so I'm not sure why you're saying he didn't. Maybe because you're basically just a very angry person?

Obama should have consulted congress that a trade was about to take place. Just because he pitched the idea of a non-constructed trade around a few years ago(of which there was bipartisan opposition against it), doesn't mean that he can ignore the law and go forward on a specific trade without letting anyone know. That's why even his own party is pissed at him.

And yes, from what we have heard, there is no evidence that Bergdahl, is anything but a deserter. Nothing has come forward that he was removed from his post unwillingly. In fact CNN is reporting that the military may have intercepted Taliban communication, stating that Bergdahl was looking to talk with them before he was "captured". So he may not only be a deserter but a traitor. So it would seem Obama definitely should have judged the situation in trading 5 dangerous terrorists for a traitor/deserter where 6 soldiers have already died looking for him. Not to mention, the precedent it sets for making our servicemen bargaining chips for terrorists.

Just because I don't have my Obama fan boy pom poms out and cheering, it doesn't make me an angry person.

I'm still trying to figure out, why I should care a great deal about this one way or the other.

I know why Fox News cares a great deal about it, it's another potential Benghazi they can froth at the mouth and nitpick about for years. The rest of us wouldn't recognize the names of anyone in this story, five minutes after reading it.

Anyone ever watch WKRP in Cincinatti? The best episode, the one that really sticks in memory after all these years, is where Venus (Gordon Sims) was brought in to face an officer investigating his alleged desertion. Pretty intense, episode here:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/315?c=Comedy

Say this guy did have some breakdown and wandered off post and was grabbed. It doesn't strike me, that anyone's actions here are going to change the course of the "War on Terror" in any way that matters. He gets to go home, some other dudes got to go home, and odds are they'll have drug addiction and mental issues but won't impact anyone outside their families ever again.

Vicente says

I'm still trying to figure out, why I should care a great deal about this one way or the other.

Because anti-BenghaziCare fury does not poll as well as expected in many congressional districts, and GOP needs to whip up some McCarthyite hysteria in the base for the upcoming election.

After the election, BenghaziCare hate will return to front and center.

Is this the same Reagan whose fondest regret was that when he represented 20 mule team Borax, he only got to fuck half the mules? Were the mules terrorists?

He would shellac his hair from Nancy's sperm spittoon and head on out to the corral. Clearing brush, my ass.

Lets just get it over with and feed him to the sharks at the monterey aquarium.

Good news, everyone: Republicans now disapprove of wasting American lives!

lakermania says

Just because he pitched the idea of a non-constructed trade around a few years ago(of which there was bipartisan opposition against it), doesn't mean that he can ignore the law and go forward on a specific trade without letting anyone know.

Where are you getting that it was "a few years ago". That story just came out today, and I don't see anything in any source about "a few years ago". The actual quote from Obama is "for some time", not "a few years ago."

lakermania says

And yes, from what we have heard, there is no evidence that Bergdahl, is anything but a deserter. Nothing has come forward that he was removed from his post unwillingly. In fact CNN is reporting that the military may have intercepted Taliban communication, stating that Bergdahl was looking to talk with them before he was "captured". So he may not only be a deserter but a traitor.

And again, what you appear to be saying is that you believe Obama should have let the guy rot in Afghanistan, having already unilaterally judged him guilty, without a trial, of being a traitor. And I call bullshit. There is no way in hell that, had Obama done precisely that, that you would now be congratulating him on doing the right thing. And THAT is why you come off as an angry person. It doesn't matter WHAT Obama does; you would bitch about it simply by virtue of the fact that HE did it.

Ronald Reagan traded 1500 fucking MISSILES to Iran for some hostages. I don't hear one goddamn peep out of you right-wing turds about that. In fact, you practically laud him as a saint. But Obama lets a couple guys out of Gitmo, who, if we had anything on them, should have been tried years ago, but weren't, and you absolutely flip out. Some have estimated that 90% of the people held at Gitmo are innocent.

You couldn't MAKE this shit up.

Who wants to bet that if Mr. judge jury and executioner Lakermania were in Afghanistan for 5 seconds, he would have shit his pants and run away.

lakermania says

a non-constructed trade around a few years ago(of which there was bipartisan opposition against it)

Really? Huff Post says republicans supported the idea.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/bowe-bergdahl-release_n_5439644.html

But prior to Bergdahl's release, Republican lawmakers were some of the sergeant's biggest advocates, and repeatedly pressed the administration to do something -- in fact, everything within its power -- to get him returned to the United States.

A May 22 press release from [Sen. Kelley] Ayotte's office read, "As part of ongoing efforts to urge the Department of Defense to do all it can to find Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and bring him home safely, Senator Ayotte worked successfully to include a provision in the bill that presses Pakistan to fully cooperate in the search for SGT Bergdahl."

John McCain:

COOPER: Would you oppose the idea of some form of negotiations or prisoner exchange? I know back in 2012 you called the idea of even negotiating with the Taliban bizarre, highly questionable.

McCAIN: Well, at that time the proposal was that they would release -- Taliban, some of them really hard-core, particularly five really hard-core Taliban leaders, as a confidence-building measure. Now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our American fighting man.

I would be inclined to support such a thing depending on a lot of the details. [...]

COOPER: So if there was some -- the possibility of some sort of exchange, that's something you would support?

McCAIN: I would support. Obviously I'd have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing him home, and if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.

Another outspoken champion for Bergdahl's release was Rep. Rich Nugent (R-Fla.), who wanted the administration to "do everything possible" for his safe return.

"Last year, on the fourth anniversary of Sgt. Bergdahl's capture, on the floor of the House of Representatives, I introduced a resolution in the House calling on the United States to do everything possible not to leave any members of the armed forces behind during the drawdown of Iraq and Afghanistan. Believe it or not, I had members of Congress come up to me and say, 'I didn't know we had a living POW in Afghanistan.' That was shocking to me," said Nugent, according to a Feb. 24 article in the Citrus County Chronicle.

In April, Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.), along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), introduced a resolution "to express the sense of the Senate that no member of the armed forces who is missing in action or captured should be left behind."

So basically, Republicans pressured the Obama administration to do all it could to bring him back, then criticize him for doing exactly that.

HYPOCRITES!

And a former Bush Administration official says the Gitmo detainees would have to be released regardless:

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/03/3444366/former-bush-official-blasts-gop-bush-would-have-agreed-to-bergdahl-swap/

It doesn't matter WHAT Obama does; you would bitch about it simply by virtue of t fact that HE did it.

Conversely, it doesn't matter what obama does; you would defend it simply by virtue of the fact he did it.

You make me sick

There, I fixed it for you.

errc says

It doesn't matter WHAT Obama does; you would bitch about it simply by virtue of t fact that HE did it.

Conversely, it doesn't matter what obama does; you would defend it simply by virtue of the fact he did it.

You make me sick

You make me healthy

CaptainShuddup says

Obama should have sent in Seal team six, it's worked before... Right?

I thought you said it was all a sham and that Osama had died prior to the raid...

errc says

Conversely, it doesn't matter what obama does; you would defend it simply by virtue of the fact he did it.

Bullshit. I've criticized him plenty of times. And name ONE time where I ever started a thread just to praise Obama. You guys start threads JUST to criticize him all the time.

errc says

You make me sick

Nah, it's probably all that fucking bacon you eat that's making you sick.

Why don't you tell us your favorite lie - that the USDA still uses the Food Pyramid? It's been all of 5 minutes since the last time you trotted that one out.