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Clearly this is all Obama's fault! New right-wing slogan coming up: If you like your Ebola you can keep your Ebola.

gsr says

Vicente says

Sure, you tell the airlines that and watch them scream bloody murder about restrictions on free market travel.

Actually, many airlines have done this already.

I was not talking about banning flights. I was talking about mandatory screening.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/06/news/companies/airlines-ebola-africa/

Screening-shmeeing: the guy was screened at the airport and passed with flying colors, because his illness was still in incubation period. The only thing which would work is proper quarantine.

CaptainShuddup says

mell says

Surely a more useful government intervention than going after raw milk farmers and pot planters. You make these jokes but they actually play into the case that government over-regulates every little business posing no harm (due to crony capitalism) while they don't do jack shit on obvious health threats.

Yeah That!!!

Ok it is an "obvious health threat" what tools does the government bring to bear for this 1 case in Texas? Is it black helicopters and full bio-chem warfare suit time?

Rew says

CaptainShuddup says

mell says

Surely a more useful government intervention than going after raw milk farmers and pot planters. You make these jokes but they actually play into the case that government over-regulates every little business posing no harm (due to crony capitalism) while they don't do jack shit on obvious health threats.

Yeah That!!!

Ok it is an "obvious health threat" what tools does the government bring to bear for this 1 case in Texas? Is it black helicopters and full bio-chem warfare suit time?

They should have simply halted the direct flights from infected countries, funny enough like Trump suggested. He may be an asshole, but he was right on this one.

Trump is even surprised when he's right

I thought Rick Perry was tough on immigrants. And by tough, I mean spit on them while you're deporting them.

This is sure a dark mark on the Perry record. Why can't he close the state of Texas to immigrants?

Rew says

There was some risk of transmission from this passenger, and sure, there may be one or two more cases, but this is going to stop cold in its tracks. This isn't West Africa, where we completely distrust our medical professionals and are touching dead bodies.

On the other hand this thread proves that the transmission of being stupid seems to have no barriers at all.

bob2356 says

Rew says

There was some risk of transmission from this passenger, and sure, there may be one or two more cases, but this is going to stop cold in its tracks. This isn't West Africa, where we completely distrust our medical professionals and are touching dead bodies.

On the other hand this thread proves that the transmission of being stupid seems to have no barriers at all.

If only stupidity had a 70% mortality rate. One can dream.

Call it Crazy says

Rew says

This isn't West Africa,

Do you think there is anyone in West Africa that doesn't know what Ebola is and what the virus is capable of doing?? Do you think there are people there that are clueless to the illness and death it has been causing??

Yet, the virus is STILL spreading there exponentially.....

Why??

Read about what is going on in West Africa, and why this is the same garden variety ebola we have seen in the Congo/Central Africa since the 60s, yet this outbreak is much worse.

There are people in West Africa breaking into quarantined homes due to mistrust and ignorance. There are people drawing blood of the infected/recovered to use as cures on themselves, there are people blocking aid workers, breaking into medical care facilities, and basically being completely stupid. Add in close physical contact with the deceased as part of your burial rites and bang ...

Virus is the same, the people, their cultural norms, and how they are behaving is what is different. It's why I'm very confidant this strain of ebola (as it is right now) cannot do this to any first world country.

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

On the other hand this thread proves that the transmission of being stupid seems to have no barriers at all.

Yep, starting with the healthcare professionals at the hospital, when they asked the guy for his S.S. # and he told them he was from Liberia and didn't have one, and was showing symptoms of the flu...

But they didn't connect the dots....

So, they give him a Rx for antibiotics (which DON'T work on viruses) and send him out on the street...

Obamacare at it's finest hour!!

How can a post like this get a dislike? It is obvious that the health officials were incompetent, sending him back home. In fact they should lose their jobs for not connecting the dots like in every industry not part of the FIRE and healthcare sectors.

mell says

In fact they should lose their jobs for not connecting the dots like in every industry not part of the FIRE and healthcare sectors.

People all the way up to Washington, will either be fired or resign over this mark my word.

This case just showcases our vulnerability to Ebola and other horrid foreign diseases. We'll definately see more cases before this over, if not related to this case then from others.

There's just wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to many people on Wall street foaming at the mouth and creaming their jeans on all of the talk about Ebola stocks soaring.
Damn it, this is what we've got Obamacare for, to convert those Stocks could be's into the Nations biggest contributor to the GDP.

The Dow is going to 20,000 on this crisis. Better get your yearly deductible cap money ready now. They'll be spraying every American city with Ebola chemtrails, then blame Ottis Ottawatha a Zimbabwian Zionist.

Yet there is still air travel between the afflicted areas and other countries.

That is a strategic problem that would eliminate the opportunity for the other errors.

Rew says

How many people do you physically touch, enough to get a substantial portion of their body fluids on you, when you fly? How high of viral load do you think this Texan had this early in the infection?

There was some risk of transmission from this passenger, and sure, there may be one or two more cases, but this is going to stop cold in its tracks. This isn't West Africa, where we completely distrust our medical professionals and are touching dead bodies.

Bingo.

They can send the Navigators out to round up all of the contacts.
To haul them off and parade them in front of the death panels.

If you have Ebolacare you live if not you get deported.

Call it Crazy says

Want to take a guess what the cost of this special isolation medical care is going to run??

About a pittance of the cost that the hazmat team from Halliburton will charge, to decontaminate that Ambulance. They will have been able to buy 25 new Ambulances by time they are done spit shinning that sucker.

Rew says

It's why I'm very confidant this strain of ebola (as it is right now) cannot do this to any first world country.

Who there, don't start talking sense. That'd make you a SOCIALIST.

If you like your Ebolacare, you can keep your Ebolacare.

Rew says

There are people drawing blood of the infected/recovered to use as cures on themselves,

Reference?

Right.
This is america where we are given 2 aspirin and told not to come back until blood is oozing from every orifice.

Rew says

This isn't West Africa, where we completely distrust our medical professionals and are touching dead bodies.

The administration.

Rew says

Ok it is an "obvious health threat" what tools does the government bring to bear for this 1 case in Texas?

It's a reflex click from the left....

mell says

How can a post like this get a dislike?

so how would one go about rerouting the migrating geese??

indigenous says

Yet there is still air travel between the afflicted areas and other countries.

appropriate comment for the average patnet age group...

thunderlips11 says

Bingo.

I haven't heard the liberals piping that we should create "Ebola Refugees" and welcome them with open arms when they come in on every available flight and barge.

Is Ebola different from other diseases that have been granted non-discrimination status?

There is vast opportunity here for profit.

Quarantine camps
Decontamination stations
Body Disposal Furnaces

I'm sure Crazy already has the right markets cornered.

justme says

Rew says

There are people drawing blood of the infected/recovered to use as cures on themselves,

Reference?

It's all over the news. Just google search it.
Black market forming for the stuff.

Call it Crazy says

Rew says

Virus is the same, the people

Call it Crazy says

Yep, starting with the healthcare professionals at the hospital, when they asked the guy for his S.S. # and he told them he was from Liberia and didn't have one, and was showing symptoms of the flu...

But they didn't connect the dots....

Rew says

It's why I'm very confidant this strain of ebola (as it is right now) cannot do this to any first world country.

The "people"...

Just keep believing that the "first world" people here are better...

Go look up "Normalcy Bias"...

So you think the population in the US is going to break into quarantined areas and go for direct physical contact of the dead?

It's much more likely we all scream for airports to be shutdown, tanks to patrol our streets, and everyone try's to stay in their house for a month living off frozen crap and peanut butter all the while afraid to touch door handles, and people who are diagnosed with soar throats are executed, buried in mass graves covered in lye and bleach.

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

Ebola doesn't scare me ... How we may react to it, or the next terrorist attack, does. Freedom and liberty require and demand bravery and informed citizenry.

The level of overreaction and herd panic in the country is what will end America as we know it ... Not Obamacare/socialism or whatever misplaced notion is in vogue for the week.

The real truth CiC is if the administration did come down with a heavy response already Fox News and the t party Neo cons would be complaining that it was typical nanny state overreach. You would be right there singing their song too. Either way ... you get to complain. I guess that hasn't changed in the good old US of A.

Ceffer says

I haven't heard the liberals piping that we should create "Ebola Refugees" and welcome them with open arms when they come in on every available flight and barge.

Is Ebola different from other diseases that have been granted non-discrimination status?

Really distasteful ... but I'll play ...

Once symptomatic Ebola kills too fast for bleeding hearts to be able to embrace true bleeding hearts.

Rew says

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

Concise description of the Teabagger reflex.

Rew says

It's much more likely we all scream for airports to be shutdown, tanks to patrol our streets, and everyone try's to stay in their house for a month living off frozen crap and peanut butter all the while afraid to touch door handles, and people who are diagnosed with soar throats are executed, buried in mass graves covered in lye and bleach.

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

People who wish to trade liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Or so say the self-styled "libertarians" who demand these measures.

HydroCabron says

Rew says

It's much more likely we all scream for airports to be shutdown, tanks to patrol our streets, and everyone try's to stay in their house for a month living off frozen crap and peanut butter all the while afraid to touch door handles, and people who are diagnosed with soar throats are executed, buried in mass graves covered in lye and bleach.

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

People who wish to trade liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Or so say the self-styled "libertarians" who demand these measures.

I think the "liberty" to accept more infected west Africans into the country right now is one I would never miss. Not sure how that's a "liberty" or what it has to do with quarantine procedures, but then again I'm not an idiot libtard.

Vicente says

There is vast opportunity here for profit.

Quarantine camps

Decontamination stations

Body Disposal Furnaces

It practically screams Haliburton.

bob2356 says

On the other hand this thread proves that the transmission of being stupid seems to have no barriers at all.

We need to quarantine Shaun Hanity and Rush Limbaugh.

If I found myself in one of the ebola-stricken nations and suspected I may well have just contracted the virus, after looking around at the treatment centers locking their doors to new patients, I would doing anything in my power to get to Paris or better still, the USA. Put on my nicest shirt (there should be a few laying around by now, right?), comb my hair, smile, and take three connecting flights on crowded planes to get the hell out of there. I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

deepcgi says

I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

Liberals are always right, unless they are lying.

deepcgi says

If I found myself in one of the ebola-stricken nations and suspected I may well have just contracted the virus, after looking around at the treatment centers locking their doors to new patients, I would doing anything in my power to get to Paris or better still, the USA. Put on my nicest shirt (there should be a few laying around by now, right?), comb my hair, smile, and take three connecting flights on crowded planes to get the hell out of there. I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

You don't travel much do you? Ever hear of something called a visa? You have to get one to go to paris or the US from anywhere in west africa. Current waiting time for an appointment at the US consulate in monrovia is 29 days. Then, if the consulate royalty deems you worthy, it's from 3 (highly unlikely) to 60 days processing time after your interview.

Ok boys and girls, put on your tin foil hats and listen to Uncle Quigley's story.
Ebola virus has been around a few decades and has a nasty reputation for beig both contagious and deadly. While germ warfare had been internationally banned for even longer, the government maintains research programs to combat possible outbreaks, and most likely also maintains secret programs that go further. Maybe not with intent of actually ever using the pathogens in war, but being prepared in case other countries do seems logical.
So the government researchers have had the Ebola virus to study, dissect, and develop countermeasures to for decades.
Two possibilities exist:
1)our government employs incompetent needle heads who can't accomplish anything like a vaccine or anti viral drug even when given nearly 30 years to work on it.
2)we have the vaccine, but are keeping that in reserve.

If the military arm of research accomplished the vaccine, it would be
1)secret
2)viewed as turning Ebola into a potential weapon. The usage is classic: vaccinate your own population and then release the disease against your enemies.

The outbreak in west Africa is thus problematic for the military. If it gets too bad, our commander in chief may be forced to tip our hand, reveal the vaccine/cure, and we lose a valuable weapon.
On the other hand, they are not overly worried about the disease spreading in the US, since they could vaccinate if an emergency outbreak happened.
So keeping the borders open and flights flying is no great risk.

However, they also want this problem to go away so they can keep their weapon. So Obama sends military troops to Africa to help contain the problem.

Is this line of thinking unrealistic? Seems highly probable to me.

Call it Crazy says

it will kill only

Is that why they made a big deal out of flying that doctor with Ebola back to the US...to show that anyone can get it?

This is just a blog, but the information is very specific and seems credible. It provides details on the patient zero's name, which flights he took, and others he exposed. It looks like he recently quit his job as a fed ex worker to come here.
Yes, it's just a blog, but blogs have been breaking this story. Natural News broke the story about the Dallas outbreak a day before the mainstream news did.

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/health-fiasco-ebola-patient-was-vomiting-in-ambulance-five-children-exposed-from-4-different-schools-took-at-least-3-flights/