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Ebola doesn't scare me ... How we may react to it, or the next terrorist attack, does. Freedom and liberty require and demand bravery and informed citizenry.

The level of overreaction and herd panic in the country is what will end America as we know it ... Not Obamacare/socialism or whatever misplaced notion is in vogue for the week.

The real truth CiC is if the administration did come down with a heavy response already Fox News and the t party Neo cons would be complaining that it was typical nanny state overreach. You would be right there singing their song too. Either way ... you get to complain. I guess that hasn't changed in the good old US of A.

Ceffer says

I haven't heard the liberals piping that we should create "Ebola Refugees" and welcome them with open arms when they come in on every available flight and barge.

Is Ebola different from other diseases that have been granted non-discrimination status?

Really distasteful ... but I'll play ...

Once symptomatic Ebola kills too fast for bleeding hearts to be able to embrace true bleeding hearts.

Rew says

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

Concise description of the Teabagger reflex.

Rew says

It's much more likely we all scream for airports to be shutdown, tanks to patrol our streets, and everyone try's to stay in their house for a month living off frozen crap and peanut butter all the while afraid to touch door handles, and people who are diagnosed with soar throats are executed, buried in mass graves covered in lye and bleach.

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

People who wish to trade liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Or so say the self-styled "libertarians" who demand these measures.

HydroCabron says

Rew says

It's much more likely we all scream for airports to be shutdown, tanks to patrol our streets, and everyone try's to stay in their house for a month living off frozen crap and peanut butter all the while afraid to touch door handles, and people who are diagnosed with soar throats are executed, buried in mass graves covered in lye and bleach.

If your door bell rings, unload everything at the front door, and then return to prayer and Fox News. This is the new "home of the brave".

People who wish to trade liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Or so say the self-styled "libertarians" who demand these measures.

I think the "liberty" to accept more infected west Africans into the country right now is one I would never miss. Not sure how that's a "liberty" or what it has to do with quarantine procedures, but then again I'm not an idiot libtard.

Vicente says

There is vast opportunity here for profit.

Quarantine camps

Decontamination stations

Body Disposal Furnaces

It practically screams Haliburton.

bob2356 says

On the other hand this thread proves that the transmission of being stupid seems to have no barriers at all.

We need to quarantine Shaun Hanity and Rush Limbaugh.

If I found myself in one of the ebola-stricken nations and suspected I may well have just contracted the virus, after looking around at the treatment centers locking their doors to new patients, I would doing anything in my power to get to Paris or better still, the USA. Put on my nicest shirt (there should be a few laying around by now, right?), comb my hair, smile, and take three connecting flights on crowded planes to get the hell out of there. I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

deepcgi says

I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

Liberals are always right, unless they are lying.

deepcgi says

If I found myself in one of the ebola-stricken nations and suspected I may well have just contracted the virus, after looking around at the treatment centers locking their doors to new patients, I would doing anything in my power to get to Paris or better still, the USA. Put on my nicest shirt (there should be a few laying around by now, right?), comb my hair, smile, and take three connecting flights on crowded planes to get the hell out of there. I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

You don't travel much do you? Ever hear of something called a visa? You have to get one to go to paris or the US from anywhere in west africa. Current waiting time for an appointment at the US consulate in monrovia is 29 days. Then, if the consulate royalty deems you worthy, it's from 3 (highly unlikely) to 60 days processing time after your interview.

Ok boys and girls, put on your tin foil hats and listen to Uncle Quigley's story.
Ebola virus has been around a few decades and has a nasty reputation for beig both contagious and deadly. While germ warfare had been internationally banned for even longer, the government maintains research programs to combat possible outbreaks, and most likely also maintains secret programs that go further. Maybe not with intent of actually ever using the pathogens in war, but being prepared in case other countries do seems logical.
So the government researchers have had the Ebola virus to study, dissect, and develop countermeasures to for decades.
Two possibilities exist:
1)our government employs incompetent needle heads who can't accomplish anything like a vaccine or anti viral drug even when given nearly 30 years to work on it.
2)we have the vaccine, but are keeping that in reserve.

If the military arm of research accomplished the vaccine, it would be
1)secret
2)viewed as turning Ebola into a potential weapon. The usage is classic: vaccinate your own population and then release the disease against your enemies.

The outbreak in west Africa is thus problematic for the military. If it gets too bad, our commander in chief may be forced to tip our hand, reveal the vaccine/cure, and we lose a valuable weapon.
On the other hand, they are not overly worried about the disease spreading in the US, since they could vaccinate if an emergency outbreak happened.
So keeping the borders open and flights flying is no great risk.

However, they also want this problem to go away so they can keep their weapon. So Obama sends military troops to Africa to help contain the problem.

Is this line of thinking unrealistic? Seems highly probable to me.

Call it Crazy says

it will kill only

Is that why they made a big deal out of flying that doctor with Ebola back to the US...to show that anyone can get it?

This is just a blog, but the information is very specific and seems credible. It provides details on the patient zero's name, which flights he took, and others he exposed. It looks like he recently quit his job as a fed ex worker to come here.
Yes, it's just a blog, but blogs have been breaking this story. Natural News broke the story about the Dallas outbreak a day before the mainstream news did.

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/health-fiasco-ebola-patient-was-vomiting-in-ambulance-five-children-exposed-from-4-different-schools-took-at-least-3-flights/

The virus didn't ask if i already had my visa or not.

Fear is the problem alright. Too much and not enough.

Last week, the CDC said that the chances of Ebola migrating to the United States were remote. That was very, very irresponsible. In an effort to keep everyone calm and fear-free, the staff at the Dallas Hospital sent a symptomatic, contagious patient home with pain killers.

We now know that Mr. Duncan vomited outside of his apartment on the way back to the hospital.

A little bit of fear could have saved lives.

I need to lose some weight. I'm off to lick the hand-railings from around his apartment complex. Wanna come along? Not afraid are you?

deepcgi says

I need to lose some weight. I'm off to lick the hand-railings from around his apartment complex

excellent, take cic with you. hit the ambulance also while you are there.

Call it Crazy says

Biden Advises Shooting Shotgun Through Door

As with all advise from Joe or O, just do the opposite and you are good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXIW1GKAvMM

Seriously why not shut down flights to the afflicted countries?

indigenous says

Seriously why not shut down flights to the afflicted countries?

You isolate the country from the very help they need. Not to mention people can and do walk across borders and catch flights in other countries. If you allow flights to only go in, but return empty, they will be unprofitable and they will stop flying altogether.

Vicente says

You isolate the country from the very help they need. Not to mention people can and do walk across borders and catch flights in other countries. If you allow flights to only go in, but return empty, they will be unprofitable and they will stop flying altogether.

Bullshit, what percentage of the help comes from this country?

It will be harder for them to spread the virus.

It is more important to prevent the spread the virus that could kill millions than the profit of an airline for a short period of time for Air Liberia.

Or essentially ... we aren't there yet. The risk isn't seen as big enough yet and I think the West African governments are also asking for more time to control and inform before something like that is implemented. Again, Ebola really bad ... panic riot violence and Ebola ... whole new ball game.

CiC if you think Fox is not selling fear and blatantly playing to emotions just go look at their front page. One story acknowledging the issue does not a network, fair and balanced, make.

(My fave article over there - Bush blaming Iraq's issues on their inability to defend themselves. Jackass. What did we expect when we disban the army and install a nobody as leader.)

Rew says

we aren't there yet.

I think we are. The case in Tx will tell us more about the spread.

indigenous says

Vicente says

You isolate the country from the very help they need. Not to mention people can and do walk across borders and catch flights in other countries. If you allow flights to only go in, but return empty, they will be unprofitable and they will stop flying altogether.

Bullshit, what percentage of the help comes from this country?

It will be harder for them to spread the virus.

It is more important to prevent the spread the virus that could kill millions than the profit of an airline for a short period of time for Air Liberia.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with modern travel. There are few direct flights there. This guy came through Brussels. Or perhaps you were envisioning a world alliance to ring them in, forbid travel to ANY country, and watch them die. The same country that can't control a border with Mexico will remotely manage one in another country too? Awesome.

A more possible solution would be require quarantine on arrival for anyone with a Liberian passport.

In any case, here again ridiculous out-of-proportion panic on your part. FEAR FEAR FEAR!

CaptainShuddup says

deepcgi says

I mean, I'm not contagious until I have symptoms. Everyone tells me so.

Liberals are always right, unless they are lying.

It doesn't matter if conservatives are wrong. They are carrying out God's will.
(One thing they have in common with IS)

Vicente says

In any case, here again ridiculous out-of-proportion panic on your part. FEAR FEAR FEAR!

You're right, no need to get all worked up over a virus said to be spreading exponentially.

Panic is not being prudent, panic is when the virus increases exponentially and people leave Tx in droves, further spreading the virus, and poof millions go bye bye.

Rew says

justme says

Rew says

There are people drawing blood of the infected/recovered to use as cures on themselves,

Reference?

It's all over the news. Just google search it.

Black market forming for the stuff.

I think your original post was very unclear. You made it sound like random "people" were extracting blood from known Ebola victims and injecting themselves with it. Who would be that stupid?

Rather, there is a market, black and otherwise, for the blood from people who had Ebola *but survived*, and I suppose especially if they survived through the strength of and by no other means than their own immune system.

The phrase "infected/recovered" is at the heart of the problem. You should have said recovered.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-11/blood-serum-from-recovered-ebola-doctor-used-in-new-case.html

https://news.vice.com/article/looking-towards-a-serum-from-ebola-survivors-to-aid-in-outbreak-treatment-efforts

Good to see you did a little reading to become more informed.

indigenous says

panic is when the virus increases exponentially and people leave Tx in droves

Texans deserting the Alamo? Never! No number of dead bloody bodies could make that happen. They will SECEDE and bootstrap their way out of it on their own.

I'm not clear why Real Conservatives wouldn't welcome a good plague on the country through. They may not believe in evolution, but they certainly blather on about Survival of the Fittest. And obviously only pansy liberals and brown people will die, the Real Americans will rise from the ashes and install Mitt Romney. Finally a GOTP Congress and the United Corporations of America can vulture capitalize us to Utopia.

Call it Crazy says

THAT is what you should fear, not the virus...

FDR said we have nothing to fear but fear itself. I would like to amend that to we have nothing to fear but the politicians and our own indifference.

There I fixed it.

In investing, marketing, or even philosophy, doing nothing and ignoring the squeakiest wheels is almost always a wise mantra. Not this time.

We aren't nearly afraid enough of ebola.

I am certain that this outbreak will be looked back on as one of the greatest failures of the US federal government in our lifetimes.

This bug is going to spread all through the third world. It could take years, but it will be a part of our lives from now until it's cured. Eventually the list of problem nations will be so extensive that we will have potential ebola cases passing through our hub airports every single day of the year. Not fear, not wishful thinking, just math. I called and spoke with an old family friend who retired from the CDC not long ago. He/She called their actions "mind-bogglingly stupid". and "People are going to lie about anything to get away from it."

Rew says

Good to see you did a little reading to become more informed.

I hope it helped you as well.

Call it Crazy says

Vicente says

In any case, here again ridiculous out-of-proportion panic on your part.

The panic part will come from your friends in Washington... We know how they love to make knee-jerk reactions without logic..

Everything I see says "our friends" and "your friends" in Washington are exactly the same with regards to this. Agree?

Perfect example was their rush for a nationwide assault rifle ban after a few verifiable nut cases went on a shooting spree... 100 million firearm owners, but they wanted to pass a nationwide rifle ban because of a few crazy people.... Very logical!!

The "FEAR" with Ebola will cause your representatives in Washington to pass some emergency, area wide, quarantine Bill in the name of "protecting us"...

THAT is what you should fear, not the virus...

Right. So let's all just take a freaking breath and stop pointing fingers at the cases in TX and crying out for our wonderful administration to do something. I've got high faith the CDC is keeping the administration well informed, and they don't need any reason to start a panic spiral with the media and us already being in a big fervor over this one small instance.

I bow out of this thread now in that spirit.

Wash your hands and don't hug dead things.

Peace. ;)

Feds report they are testing an experimental vaccine. Looks like Obama is laying the groundwork for releasing the cure they've had all along, but been reluctant to part with. With the knowledge that he has a cure, it's easy to make the choice to keep flights going.
The good news is that Ebola might be nothing to panic over after all.
The bad news is just more typical military industrial complex bullshit where they weigh the value of a powerful (if highly illegal) weapon against a bunch of people dying in increasing numbers from a truly horrifying disease.

Now they have to have this "experimental" vaccine to test, then it'll work and America to the rescue! Queue the ticker tape!

They locked the Victim's family in their apartment with his dirty laundry and bed sheets.

You kinda get the understanding how and why it's spreading so fast. If the SOP is to round up all of the Victims family and make them spend a week or so until they develop symptoms. The people probably would not have gotten sick had they not been confined with the pathogens.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for confining it, but these people should be sent to a sterile location, with nothing but a tile floor, a smock and a cot. While they are there they send over the Haliburton decontamination squad to have a go back at the flat.

http://twitchy.com/2014/10/02/news-chopper-caught-ebola-clean-up-crew-um-notice-anything-missing-its-enraging-photo/

What is the ratio of Liberal to Conservative on this forum?

Where in the fuck is the Hazmat people?
Everytime corn starch is found in an envelope the E.T. extraction unit is sent out with a bubble built around the building and decontamination chambers.
This case hasn't gotten squat.

Welp, uh, no, there's Rodger and his son in law with a Stanley 30psi pressure washer.

Obviously the USA is at least as much at risk as "barbaric superstitious backward" African countries. Our emergency rooms are already packed, our hospitals are already loaded with sick people or old people on palliative care. Where the hell do we put Outbreak cases? Africa is more prepared.

Quigley says

Obviously the USA is at least as much at risk as "barbaric superstitious backward" African countries. Our emergency rooms are already packed, our hospitals are already loaded with sick people or old people on palliative care. Where the hell do we put Outbreak cases? Africa is more prepared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZidJ36nA0