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socal2 says

The ring leader of the 9/11 attacks (Atta) got radicalized in a mosque in Germany like many Al Qaeda/ISIS leaders.

Yes, but that Mosque was probably funded via Saudi Arabia or another Gulf State.

I agree with pretty much everything in your post.

What this really is about is a war for Islamic Purity, and more specifically, anti-Shi'a and other forms of Sherk (Backsliding from Islam). If it was about hating the West, we'd be experiencing weekly terror attacks inside Europe and the USA.

Or options are Roman Style Population Purge (see Judea circa 70AD or Dacia, I forget which year, but the Dacian treatement is why we call the place Romania today), Nuke from Orbit - only way to be sure, or forget the whole thing. The "Send an Occasional Drone" isn't working and may actually make it worse.

I vote for forget the whole thing.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Never ask me for more evidence unless you really want it. I don't bluff. By the way, what exactly is the statue of limitations on the murder of children?

The Taliban is responsible for all deaths.

Bullshit. America is responsible when it's drones kills non-combatant children.

socal2 says

Who said they are purposefully targeting civilians?

The articles presented quoted the polices. See the articles.

thunderlips11 says

The "Send an Occasional Drone" isn't working and may actually make it worse.

Yes I think this is something TPTB are not getting. Remember the deck of cards?

http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq/iraqi55/

Once we worked our way through that "deck of cards" were we done? No, every "key" terrorist was replaced by someone else. I'd argue we are practicing natural selection and the current ones are smarter and more dangerous.

Vicente says

Once we worked our way through that "deck of cards" were we done? No, every "key" terrorist was replaced by someone else. I'd argue we are practicing natural selection and the current ones are smarter and more dangerous.

Kind reminds me of the War on Drugs, at least in it's 80s avatar. "If we get Mr. Big... we'll take most of the drugs off the streets."

We could call this approach the "Miami Vice Tactic."

Vicente says

Once we worked our way through that "deck of cards" were we done? No, every "key" terrorist was replaced by someone else.

Yep, the key to solving this problem is advancing women's rights and education and economic opportunities in the Middle East. Do that and this shit will stop and the people will become less religious, which is 99% of the problem.

Dan8267 says

Vicente says

Once we worked our way through that "deck of cards" were we done? No, every "key" terrorist was replaced by someone else.

Yep, the key to solving this problem is advancing women's rights and education and economic opportunities in the Middle East. Do that and this shit will stop and the people will become less religious, which is 99% of the problem.

That is easier said than done. soviets tried to do this in afghanistan in the 80s and lets just say that there was a lot of "resistance." The cave dwellers don't want the locals educated as that reduces the power of their satan god. Plus they don't want their women liberated. They also tend to think across centuries while we think in terms of fiscal quarters hence they keep bringing up crusades. The only solution is to keep grinding them down but that requires tons of patience, resources and unfortunately human lives.

dublin hillz says

It is inevitable that at some point the world war 3 will consist of muslims vs everyone else. It will pay dividends to establish and further solidify alliances in latin american and europe for this eventual battle. We need to ensure that islam will end up in the dustbin of history.

As long as they don't get united and keep fighting among themselves. Liek when Sadaam was there. he was Iran's mortal enemy-now we took him out and gave iraq to Iran. But now ISIS is rising-perhaps with our backing-but lets see. We are bungling idjits. if we fought WW2 with this mentality-we would ahve defnitely lost.

Dan8267 says

socal2 says

Who said they are purposefully targeting civilians?

The articles presented quoted the polices. See the articles.

We don't target civilians. Please dial 911 for help.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Never ask me for more evidence unless you really want it. I don't bluff. By the way, what exactly is the statue of limitations on the murder of children?

The Taliban is responsible for all deaths.

Bullshit. America is responsible when it's drones kills non-combatant children.

We don't target children. We are not responsible. Only the Taliban is responsible for any and all civilian deaths.

Strategist says

We don't target civilians. Please dial 911 for help.

And the Nazis said they didn't target Jews. Repeating something doesn't make it true. I have already presented plenty of evidence showing that the government has targeted children and schools. Evidence trumps sound bites.

dublin hillz says

That is easier said than done.

All hard problems are easier said than done. That doesn't mean we shouldn't put forth the effort. All low hanging fruit has already been picked. Today, anything worth doing is hard. Get use to it.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

We don't target civilians. Please dial 911 for help.

And the Nazis said they didn't target Jews. Repeating something doesn't make it true. I have already presented plenty of evidence showing that the government has targeted children and schools. Evidence trumps sound bites.

I repeat. We do not target civilians. There is no evidence. We have no need to, it does not help us, and we can't afford to target civilians. There are lots of Islamists for us to target, why would we go after women and children?
What you are saying is....we spend tens of billions in drones, go half way across the world, risk the lives of our soldiers, just to target children. Really?

LOL...you are preaching to the wrong crowd....

Dan8267 says

Yep, the key to solving this problem is advancing women's rights and education

We need to develop long range holographic projection technology.
We could deliver a god in every hut, instructing the occupiers to Off their leaders.
These people want a god to tell them what to do, it's about time we deliver.

dublin hillz says

The cave dwellers don't want the locals educated as that reduces the power of their satan god. Plus they don't want their women liberated.

Strategist says

I repeat.

That's the problem. You repeat lies expecting them to become the truth. Reality doesn't work that way.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

I repeat.

That's the problem. You repeat lies expecting them to become the truth. Reality doesn't work that way.

Come on Dan, you know there is no rational reason for our government to target foreign babies. That makes you irrational.

I say we give all that (Syria, Iraq, possibly others) back to Turkey.