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indigenous says

mell says

Screaming racism accomplishes nothing.

Don't tell that to Sharpton or Jackson.

Thats how those two make their living.

bgamall4 says

This could have been avoided by a real trial.

I doubt that. It would delay the inevitable looting by blacks.

bgamall4 says

This could have been avoided by a real trial. There are conflicting reports as to Brown's actions after the initial confrontation in the cop car. Those should have been sorted out by a jury of Wilson's peers. They would have been mostly black and the prosecutor feared that.

There wasn't enough evidence to support having a real trial! The preponderance of evidence supported the cop's story, and he was just doing his job. A grand jury just decides if there is a decent chance that the person is guilty of something. This jury decided that there was not. This is why people call you nuts, Gary. Because you believe blindly in things both unseen and contrary to evidence. So when you might actually have a point about something controversial, people just assume you're still wearing your tin hat. How can you expect to gain credibility when you seem to lack judgement?

Call it Crazy says

Is this amount of retaliation to private citizens and businesses justified for the "murdering" of Brown?

IT's the wrong question. WOuld I be pissed if I were a member of the black community there ? Yes. Does it justify vandalism or violence ? Of course not. Are most of those punks out there dirt bags, yes, although most are probably kids, so that's a little harsh, but being kids doesn't excuse it.

This case is different than TRayvon Martin in that there were witnesses that saw what happened. Possibly (JUST POSSIBLY) the black community trusts the witnesses who back Johnson's story. He was there. My point being that in this case it may really be a travesty that there will be no trial, for at least 2nd degree murder.

But of course it doesn't justify the violence.

On a side note, I wonder how many businesses in Ferguson were burned down by their owners for the insurance money last night. Probably at least one or two of those.

marcus says

On a side note, I wonder how many businesses in Ferguson were burned down by their owners for the insurance money last night. Probably at least one or two of those.

On a side note how many teachers do a piss poor job?

marcus says

This case is different than TRayvon Martin in that there were witnesses that saw what happened. Possibly (JUST POSSIBLY) the black community trusts the witnesses who back Johnson's story. He was there. My point being that in this case it may really be a travesty that there will be no trial, for at least 2nd degree murder.

But you aren't racist.....

I'll add this. In the abstract I do see a kind of symmetry to this.

On the one hand, the message that the killing sends to the community is that citizens should be very cautious and comply with police, and do not fuck with the police, OR ELSE.

THe community answers back. Don't push your fucking police state attitude too far, OR ELSE.

What we saw last night in Ferguson is that we aren't far at all from chaos an anarchy. A few hundred people blocked the freeway in protest and while the cops were distracted, a few hundred others looted an burned the town. Anarchy means death in most times and places. People destroying their communities leads to them killing each other, leads to a complete breakdown of the social trust, and then you have every man or family or gang for themselves. It's impossible to have a functioning economy in such a situation. And cities of millions become death traps for all who reside therein. The only way to have a society like ours, a population like ours, is to have a perfectly tuned food and goods delivery system with an equally tuned economy. If the breaks down, 90-95% of everyone in cities would die within weeks.

This is why people look at ferguson and cheer the cops, because no cause, no petty racist claim, is greater than group survival.
Those idiots just made their town into a ghetto. Think the stores will rebuild and reopen? Many will not, taking the insurance money and getting out while the getting is good.
I expect that ferguson real estate will soon be as popular as Detroit, which is sad for the non black residents who didn't deserve this. My wife's friend lives there and is really sad and upset about all this. She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto.

Quigley says

She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto.

Certainly an incompetent cop is partly to blame. Will anybody be worrying about body cameras and more rigorous training for cops after this ?

In many places last night there were nonviolent fairly well behaved protests.

Yup as soon as the politicians quit with welfare payments in all of it's stripes, I suspect rioting will be quite common. Maybe a part of the weather report.

The mistake is not in having a big enough police force but with having this big of a government in the first place.

I am sure the county prosecutor did his level best to convict his allied institution's employee.

indigenous says

marcus says

On a side note, I wonder how many businesses in Ferguson were burned down by their owners for the insurance money last night. Probably at least one or two of those.

On a side note how many teachers do a piss poor job?

And never get fired because the unions are doing a good job of protecting bad teachers.

indigenous says

Yup as soon as the politicians quit with welfare payments in all of it's stripes, I suspect rioting will be quite common.

Nothing much seems to have changed since Watts 50 years ago.

OH yeah, you're not a racist.

Call it Crazy says

But, you know more then the Grand Jury....

I know that their finding was based on his (the cops) story. Along with the testimony of Josie, a family friend of WIlson's.

Look, courts accepting the cops side of the story is how it's always been, and that's probably necessary. But that doesn't help us when cops do wrong, and it ends up giving them too much power. WE need cops to have cameras on them, not just to get at the truth in these matters, but also so that cops watch themselves better, knowing they are being recorded.

I'm racist!

Quigley says

I expect that ferguson real estate will soon be as popular as Detroit, which is sad for the non black residents who didn't deserve this. My wife's friend lives there and is really sad and upset about all this. She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto.

Black people ruin everything!

Nothing new here...move on.

HydroCabron says

I'm racist!

Call it Crazy says

Why the fuck do you keep LYING???

How are you so stupid ? When you don't understand someone, that doesn't mean they are lying.

Yes, they looked at testimony and evidence, with the goal being basically to see if there is justifiable reason to not accept the cops story. They decided no.

Look, I'm not trying to say that I know Wilson's story is wrong. I'm just saying that I think he was incompetent in this situation. He unloaded 12 shots, at least 6 into brown, 2 into his head. I'll bet that in hindsight, even Wilson thinks maybe it would have been better to just risk letting the kid get away with stealing a swisher sweet, that is if backup didn't make it there in time. You've gotta pick your battles.

The cop fucked up. Even he wouldn't deny that.

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

Yes, they looked at testimony and evidence, with the goal being basically to see if there is justifiable reason to not accept the cops story. They decided no.

So, what's YOUR problem? (besides being a racist)

I don't think common sense means what Marcus thinks it means.

All the protesters are violent looters! Not one of them has a legitimate grievance! They're all the same!

I'm not racist!

What many people don't get is that if a cop did happen to shoot their ass, sitting in their Starbucks out in Rancho Affectation, the outcome for the cop would be the same.
Police are almost never criminally charged when they shoot someone. Of the last 150 shootings by the FBI, all were deemed "justified".
Because of Qualified Immunity they are also never at risk civilly, so when they pull the trigger their only real risk is some paid time off work or an early retirement.

thunderlips11 says

I am sure the county prosecutor did his level best to convict his allied institution's employee.

I wonder if Eric Holder can go after Officer Darrin Wilson via a civil rights case.

Call it Crazy says

bgamall4 says

and it happens that more black kids are killed than white kids.

Why do you think that is?

Poor people commit more violent crimes. It's always been that way, culture of the ghetto is vicious.

83% of white murder victims are killed by other whites.

Where are the fathers?

Quigley says

I expect that ferguson real estate will soon be as popular as Detroit, which is sad for the non black residents who didn't deserve this. My wife's friend lives there and is really sad and upset about all this. She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto

Soon? It's been a ghetto for quite awhile.

sbh says

HydroCabron says

I'm racist!

If you call yourself a racist it makes you a racist.

And if you protest that you're not a racist, that definitely makes you a racist!
It's kind of like trying to prove to a prison shrink that you're not crazy....

He's busy teaching math...
I + take + from + you = libtard.

Call it Crazy says

Marcus, where are you?

http://nationalreport.net/mike-browns-stepfather-arrested-charged-inciting-riot-commanding-protesters-burn-this-b-down/

Louis Head, Michael Brown's stepfather, has been arrested for inciting a riot. The DA says he will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Head faces up to 15 years in jail if convicted.
Given that I also hear he had Brown's grandmother and other family members beat up for selling tshirts with Brown logos on them, this thug needs to go away.

The apple did not fall from the tree...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/26/Michael-Brown-s-Mother-Step-Father-Under-Investigation-For-Violent-Confrontation-Over-Justice-For-Mike-Brown-Merchandise

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.
These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

Quigley says

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.

These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

No offense, but the kids family history doesn't make it OK for a cop to shoot him. Not sure why this is relevant.

Quigley take your racist trash to another forum please

Maybe iblowpolice.com or something like that. Sounds more up your alley

with parents like this, you can't help but have sympathy for MB...the kid was fucked from birth, obviously grew up with an attitude from gross neglect parenting, and exploded at the wrong time and place...

SoftShell says

with parents like this, you can't help but have sympathy for MB...the kid was fucked from birth, obviously grew up with an attitude from gross neglect parenting, and exploded at the wrong time and place...

Any once again I need to point out who is the enabler on this???

Cuz I'm a thinkin it gets pretty damn cold to depend on just crack hoin in that area during the winter.

tatupu70 says

Quigley says

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.

These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

No offense, but the kids family history doesn't make it OK for a cop to shoot him. Not sure why this is relevant.

Yes but the kid was black and his mom was trash, so seeing as how the police are so worthless, we may as well use them to exterminate blacks

tatupu70 says

Quigley says

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.

These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

No offense, but the kids family history doesn't make it OK for a cop to shoot him. Not sure why this is relevant.

You finally get it! None of what quigly posted makes it ok for the cop to have shot MB. In fact, the cop couldn't possibly have known that.

What made it ok for the cop to shoot MB was when MB attacked the cop and tried to take his gun.

Good to see you recognize the fact set surrounding the manner and have stopped your previous unsupported guessing.

dodgerfanjohn says

What made it ok for the cop to shoot MB was when MB attacked the cop and tried to take his gun.

Good to see you recognize the fact set surrounding the manner and have stopped your previous unsupported guessing.

I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else, but regardless, I think you have a poor understanding of what constitutes a "fact set".

tatupu70 says

dodgerfanjohn says

What made it ok for the cop to shoot MB was when MB attacked the cop and tried to take his gun.

Good to see you recognize the fact set surrounding the manner and have stopped your previous unsupported guessing.

I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else, but regardless, I think you have a poor understanding of what constitutes a "fact set".

Grand jury testimony composed 100% of the fact set.

Anything else added in, or excluded from the grand jury proceeding is 100% bs
For instance, accepting as true the testimony of a witness who claims that MB held his hands in the air while being shot, without including testimony from the coroner that the forensic evidence shows that not to be the case, would be pure bullshit.

Just when I though you had a breakthrough too....

dodgerfanjohn says

Grand jury testimony composed 100% of the fact set.

Grand jury composed 100% of the evidence. That's not fact. It's testimony. That's a big difference.

All the morons rooting on the police state, are setting a very dangerous precedent for us real American men. I'm 6' 250lb of immovable force. So any female cop could shoot me dead and have protection on the ground of fear. Fear that she would be overpowered and I'd take her gun

Because that's what Quigley and his band of merry retards are defending here. That David Wilson is a pussy and he reacted out of fear. It's a fact. All of his friends have said as much. That he is a punk ass bitch that got scared of the blackteen so he gunned him down.

I hope Quigley can get the chance to defend police after they mistakenly serve a no knock warrant at his house and unload100s of rounds into the faces of his wife and children