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Call it Crazy says

marcus says

Yes, they looked at testimony and evidence, with the goal being basically to see if there is justifiable reason to not accept the cops story. They decided no.

So, what's YOUR problem? (besides being a racist)

I don't think common sense means what Marcus thinks it means.

All the protesters are violent looters! Not one of them has a legitimate grievance! They're all the same!

I'm not racist!

What many people don't get is that if a cop did happen to shoot their ass, sitting in their Starbucks out in Rancho Affectation, the outcome for the cop would be the same.
Police are almost never criminally charged when they shoot someone. Of the last 150 shootings by the FBI, all were deemed "justified".
Because of Qualified Immunity they are also never at risk civilly, so when they pull the trigger their only real risk is some paid time off work or an early retirement.

thunderlips11 says

I am sure the county prosecutor did his level best to convict his allied institution's employee.

I wonder if Eric Holder can go after Officer Darrin Wilson via a civil rights case.

Call it Crazy says

bgamall4 says

and it happens that more black kids are killed than white kids.

Why do you think that is?

Poor people commit more violent crimes. It's always been that way, culture of the ghetto is vicious.

83% of white murder victims are killed by other whites.

Where are the fathers?

Quigley says

I expect that ferguson real estate will soon be as popular as Detroit, which is sad for the non black residents who didn't deserve this. My wife's friend lives there and is really sad and upset about all this. She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto

Soon? It's been a ghetto for quite awhile.

sbh says

HydroCabron says

I'm racist!

If you call yourself a racist it makes you a racist.

And if you protest that you're not a racist, that definitely makes you a racist!
It's kind of like trying to prove to a prison shrink that you're not crazy....

He's busy teaching math...
I + take + from + you = libtard.

Call it Crazy says

Marcus, where are you?

http://nationalreport.net/mike-browns-stepfather-arrested-charged-inciting-riot-commanding-protesters-burn-this-b-down/

Louis Head, Michael Brown's stepfather, has been arrested for inciting a riot. The DA says he will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Head faces up to 15 years in jail if convicted.
Given that I also hear he had Brown's grandmother and other family members beat up for selling tshirts with Brown logos on them, this thug needs to go away.

The apple did not fall from the tree...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/26/Michael-Brown-s-Mother-Step-Father-Under-Investigation-For-Violent-Confrontation-Over-Justice-For-Mike-Brown-Merchandise

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.
These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

Quigley says

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.

These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

No offense, but the kids family history doesn't make it OK for a cop to shoot him. Not sure why this is relevant.

Quigley take your racist trash to another forum please

Maybe iblowpolice.com or something like that. Sounds more up your alley

with parents like this, you can't help but have sympathy for MB...the kid was fucked from birth, obviously grew up with an attitude from gross neglect parenting, and exploded at the wrong time and place...

SoftShell says

with parents like this, you can't help but have sympathy for MB...the kid was fucked from birth, obviously grew up with an attitude from gross neglect parenting, and exploded at the wrong time and place...

Any once again I need to point out who is the enabler on this???

Cuz I'm a thinkin it gets pretty damn cold to depend on just crack hoin in that area during the winter.

tatupu70 says

Quigley says

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.

These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

No offense, but the kids family history doesn't make it OK for a cop to shoot him. Not sure why this is relevant.

Yes but the kid was black and his mom was trash, so seeing as how the police are so worthless, we may as well use them to exterminate blacks

tatupu70 says

Quigley says

Apparently, from the police report, MB's mom and other grandma beat up his paternal grandma who raised MB since his mom was too just too busy being a crack whore.

These are the shining examples of upright people whose son was brutally slain "with his hands up!"

No offense, but the kids family history doesn't make it OK for a cop to shoot him. Not sure why this is relevant.

You finally get it! None of what quigly posted makes it ok for the cop to have shot MB. In fact, the cop couldn't possibly have known that.

What made it ok for the cop to shoot MB was when MB attacked the cop and tried to take his gun.

Good to see you recognize the fact set surrounding the manner and have stopped your previous unsupported guessing.

dodgerfanjohn says

What made it ok for the cop to shoot MB was when MB attacked the cop and tried to take his gun.

Good to see you recognize the fact set surrounding the manner and have stopped your previous unsupported guessing.

I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else, but regardless, I think you have a poor understanding of what constitutes a "fact set".

tatupu70 says

dodgerfanjohn says

What made it ok for the cop to shoot MB was when MB attacked the cop and tried to take his gun.

Good to see you recognize the fact set surrounding the manner and have stopped your previous unsupported guessing.

I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else, but regardless, I think you have a poor understanding of what constitutes a "fact set".

Grand jury testimony composed 100% of the fact set.

Anything else added in, or excluded from the grand jury proceeding is 100% bs
For instance, accepting as true the testimony of a witness who claims that MB held his hands in the air while being shot, without including testimony from the coroner that the forensic evidence shows that not to be the case, would be pure bullshit.

Just when I though you had a breakthrough too....

dodgerfanjohn says

Grand jury testimony composed 100% of the fact set.

Grand jury composed 100% of the evidence. That's not fact. It's testimony. That's a big difference.

All the morons rooting on the police state, are setting a very dangerous precedent for us real American men. I'm 6' 250lb of immovable force. So any female cop could shoot me dead and have protection on the ground of fear. Fear that she would be overpowered and I'd take her gun

Because that's what Quigley and his band of merry retards are defending here. That David Wilson is a pussy and he reacted out of fear. It's a fact. All of his friends have said as much. That he is a punk ass bitch that got scared of the blackteen so he gunned him down.

I hope Quigley can get the chance to defend police after they mistakenly serve a no knock warrant at his house and unload100s of rounds into the faces of his wife and children

errc says

rooting on the police state

Many americans who are middle class and above perceive the police to be the agents who stand between them and the hordes of the poor or criminals in general that can break into their homes or confront them on the street and rob/murder them in the hypothetical world where the police does not exist. Thus, they cheer and primarily this issue is about class, race being the secondary variable. The reason these beliefs persist is that america has much greater freedom of movement (as a U.S. citizen you are entitled to go anywhere in the country with no questions asked) which further exacerbates the fear of this potential reality manifesting itself.

But ultimately those who cheer a "police state" don't have any experience with a "real" police state such as NVKD communist thugs or nazi gestapo. In soviet union in the 1930s if your neighboor didn't like you they could make up all sort of charges and NVKD would ahem permanently relocate you. That was the true unity of the proletariat!

Haha, yes! Thanks, dodgerfanjohn. You made my point ahead of the plan! All of this stuff I posted about is peripherals. Things like class and race and family history are what has been paraded through the media for months, with them making Michael brown out to be Jesus or something close. Peripherals are the entire case against Wilson. Even Holder is trying to make a case on peripherals for racial discrimination. All the bullshit that's been flying around has deluded quite a few into thinking that it matters. What matters is that MB attacked a cop, repeatedly, and got shot for it. Case fucking closed.

Quigley says

What matters is that MB attacked a cop, repeatedly, and got shot for it. Case fucking closed.

Other than the shooter's testimony, what do we have for evidence?

The DA released all the evidence and put it online. Do your own homework for once!

Quigley says

The DA released all the evidence and put it online. Do your own homework for once!

lol--since you posted so vehemently that MB attacked a cop, repeatedly, I figured you must have that evidence handy. Otherwise, you'd be just as bad as those you condemn.

tatupu70 says

Quigley says

The DA released all the evidence and put it online. Do your own homework for once!

lol--since you posted so vehemently that MB attacked a cop, repeatedly, I figured you must have that evidence handy. Otherwise, you'd be just as bad as those you condemn.

You're just being ignorant now. A 7 year old child stamping his feet while covering his ears.

There was forensic evidence backing the officers version of events as well as credible eye witness testimony that corresponded with the officers version of events AND the forensic evidence.

dodgerfanjohn says

You're just being ignorant now. A 7 year old child stamping his feet while covering his ears.

There was forensic evidence backing the officers version of events as well as credible eye witness testimony that corresponded with the officers version of events AND the forensic evidence

Really? I just asked Quigley to state the evidence that supports MB attacking Officer Wilson on two separate occasions. I don't need to cover my ears because he didn't state the evidence...

dodgerfanjohn says

There was forensic evidence backing the officers version of events as well as
credible eye witness testimony that corresponded with the officers version of
events AND the forensic evidence.

Liberals H8 Science!

tatupu70 says

dodgerfanjohn says

You're just being ignorant now. A 7 year old child stamping his feet while covering his ears.

There was forensic evidence backing the officers version of events as well as credible eye witness testimony that corresponded with the officers version of events AND the forensic evidence

Really? I just asked Quigley to state the evidence that supports MB attacking Officer Wilson on two separate occasions. I don't need to cover my ears because he didn't state the evidence...

It's a disertation that would take too much effort to post id imagine, which is why he pointed you to the grand jury testimony.

The short of it is that officer Wilsons testimony states as such, as does the testimony of other witnesses. Combine this with forensic evidence introduced to the grand jury via reports and medical examiner testimony and the version laid out by officer wilson is not only believable, it is factually true.

This is damning evidence...

dodgerfanjohn says

Combine this with forensic evidence introduced to the grand jury via reports and medical examiner testimony and the version laid out by officer wilson is not only believable, it is factually true.

This is a mighty unusual case.

According to PBS, of 29 witnesses or so, 16 backed the story that after Brown ran, he turned around and was surrendering with had his hands up. But yes there are several that say he charged the cop.

Doubtful that there were that many actual witnesses.

Either a bunch of people are coming forward to lie and try to negate the cops story.

Or a bunch of people are coming forward to lie, to negate Browns friends story.

I find it very hard to believe that there are that many opposing views of people that actually saw it. But if there are that many that saw it, and more than half really think he was surrendering, then he couldn't have been charging the cop very hard.

Could the truth be in between, that he was surrendering, but walking towards Wilson and none the less scaring Wilson ?

One thing for sure, and that is that the "prosecutor" at the grand jury didn't believe he had a case he wanted to go to trial. But the thing is, it wasn't the objective of the grand jury to determine guilt. They were only supposed to determine if it was a legitimate question (re: Wilsons guilt), that is a legitimate charge. There should have been a prosecutor there who decided say to argue for a charge of criminal negligence on the part of the cop. Or maybe even second degree murder. No exculpatory evidence or testimony should have been reviewed. That is a function of the trial, which would have a real prosecutor and a real defense attorneys. Not just a single "prosecutor" acting in the role of defending the cop.

They did not do the job they were supposed to do.

According to precedent (Scalia):

"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented."

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/justice-scalia-explains-why-ferguson-grand-jury-was-completely-wrong

errc says

That David Wilson is a pussy and he reacted out of fear. It's a fact. All of his friends have said as much. That he is a punk ass bitch that got scared of the blackteen so he gunned him down.

I think this is exactly correct. He was an incompetent cop, that should not have had to kill wilson. Does that mean it was murder ? Second degree perhaps ? We'll never know because of the fraudulent grand jury that took place.

Hi,

The medical examiners said that there was no way Brown had his hands in the air when Wilson shot.

So exclude any witnesses saying brown had his hands in the air or was shot in the back. Normally I'd allow for bad memory but not in this case. Too many people are lying and their testimony is entirely unreliable.

Btw for you dumb slaps out there, normally witnesses whose testimony is contrary to incontrovertible evidence never see the light of day. Either the cops, the DA, or the defense attorney seems them as unreliable and won't put them on the stand. But in this case the DA decided that him making the decision to prosecute would not be the best path to take.

One more thing...in the US a juror can disregard ALL testimony by a witness who they believe only lied about one thing.

It seems like Brown really did charge the cop to some extent, and in my opinion whether it was criminal negligence or worse on the part of the cop (OR NOT) would be dependent on how aggressively Brown charged the cop, especially after being shot a couple times. So a trial probably should have occurred, but it only would have occurred if there was a prosecutor at the grand jury fighting for such a charge to have been brought against Wilson.

That did not happen. The grand jury had a "prosecutor" who wanted to prove that no charges should be brought against Wilson.

dodgerfanjohn says

One more thing...in the US a juror can disregard ALL testimony by a witness
who they believe only lied about one thing.

Keep in mind the whole "Hands Up" testimony came from Brown's friend Dorian Johnson who just got done robbing the convenience store with Brown a few minutes before the shooting.

Also, Dorian Johnson has previously been convicted for lying to cops.

But I suspect Libs will continue to go with their "feelings" on this case as opposed to the evidence and truth.

socal2 says

dodgerfanjohn says

There was forensic evidence backing the officers version of events as well as

credible eye witness testimony that corresponded with the officers version of

events AND the forensic evidence.

Liberals H8 Science!

Most liberals aren't old enough to know any better, it's mostly very young people who are idealistic and are not familiar with how life works.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

socal2 says

But I suspect Libs will continue to go with their "feelings" on this case as opposed to the evidence and truth.

You're the epitome of someone who bases their opinion on feelings. You say one guy had that story ?

Try 16 !! Yes, maybe some or all of these could be disregarded ? I really don't know. But it's a far cry from this outright lie.

socal2 says

Keep in mind the whole "Hands Up" testimony came from Brown's friend Dorian Johnson who just got done robbing the convenience store with Brown a few minutes before the shooting.

Go here for a summary of what the different witnesses said.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

THat's right, 16 said he put his hands up. Maybe he did put his hands up, but then changed his mind and charged. Or maybe he had his hands up and walked toward WIlson, and was shot and then charged and was shot some more. We just don't know !!

Hey, maybe he never put his hands up and those 16 people are lying. That's possible. What we do know for certain though is it wasn't just Johnson that said that he had his hands up.

Socal2 and FortDumb, If you want to accuse liberals of something, you should just accuse them of having a reasonable intelligence and using it.

dodgerfanjohn says

The short of it is that officer Wilsons testimony states as such, as does the testimony of other witnesses. Combine this with forensic evidence introduced to the grand jury via reports and medical examiner testimony and the version laid out by officer wilson is not only believable, it is factually true.

Again--I think folks here have difficulty understating what a fact is. Officer Wilson's testimony is backed by some other witnesses and some of the forensic evidence. But his version is contradicted by several witnesses and some of the forensic evidence is not supportive of his version.

And it also depends on which of Wilson's statements you are listening to--the grand jury or his initial report. You know that he embellished quite a bit in his grand jury statement, right?

In any event, none of it qualifies as a fact.

By the way, a couple of other observations.

One of the wounds on Browns arm was previously said to be from being shot from behind or with arms up.

The gun was unloaded, I think 12 (?) shots fired of which I believe 6 hit brown.

Now since the most likely misses would have occurred while brown was furthest away, it's not impossibly that Wilson fired at Brown while he was running away, as many witnesses said. People say that witnesses who said he was shot while running away are lying, and that their testimony is therefore worthless. This is not so clear. Maybe Wilson did fire at him and missed while he was running away.

It's even possible that Wilson missed on purpose when Brown was running away, telling him to stop, at which time he turned around and then ?