patrick.net

I'm sure he thought he was the in right at the beginning, but he wasn't.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29442642

Obama already said that there will be little chance of any cases of Ebola or an outbreak in the US. Why are you listening to some random Euro doctor over our president-itled.

PresidEntitle-demented

Entitlemented says

Obama already said that there will be little chance of any cases of Ebola or an outbreak in the US. Why are you listening to some random Euro doctor over our president-itled.

Especially since some random euro doctor says pretty much the same thing as our president.

Here this is from the aritcle.

an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control

bob2356 says

an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control

we should take your word over the good doctor who discovered the disease?

indigenous says

bob2356 says

an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control

we should take your word over the good doctor who discovered the disease?

Try doing something really different. Read the article instead of just the headline. It's not my words it's the good doctor Peter Piot's (you know the one in the article, the one that discovered ebola) words. I will modify my post so you can understand it.

could you include the pronunciation symbols?

Entitlemented says

PresidEntitle-demented

could you include the pronunciation symbols??

bob2356 says

Here this is from the aritcle.

Entitlemented says

our president-itled

Can't stand the guy: so uppity.

Who does he think he is? Acting like he's head of state or something!

I had no idea Doctor Who discovered Ebola. I've been a fan of the show for a long time, but I was surprised to discover that he's been around since 1976 and that he also discovered Ebola. So cool. Go Doctor Who!

bob2356 says

Try doing something really different. Read the article instead of just the headline.

Or you could try something even more radically different, reading the original instead of the just parts spoon fed to you by zerohedge.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/ebola-zaire-peter-piot-outbreak

Nah why would anyone want to know what was really said, you can just take zero hedge's word for it.

bob2356 says

Or you could try something even more radically different, reading the original instead of the just parts spoon fed to you by zerohedge.

Yea that was below this:

"And it should be clear to all of us: This isn't just an epidemic any more. This is a humanitarian catastrophe."

"Such an epidemic can destabilise entire regions. I can only hope that we will be able to get it under control. I really never thought that it could get this bad."

and the remainder of the paragraph you posted:

" I am more worried about the many people from India who work in trade or industry in west Africa. It would only take one of them to become infected, travel to India to visit relatives during the virus's incubation period, and then, once he becomes sick, go to a public hospital there. Doctors and nurses in India, too, often don't wear protective gloves. They would immediately become infected and spread the virus."

Of course if you are only looking our for your own ass, you might be right.

I read the article.

Dot Indians are nasty mofo's who don't wash their hands after they piss and shit.

Call it Crazy says

Plus, we have First World healthcare!

Didn't the three US health workers who came back from Africa with Ebola survive? That would seem to suggest at least some kind of difference between there and here. They're losing 50%, right?

Call it Crazy says

You typed it.... 50%... So, half of the people who get it will fight it off with their own immune system.

Yes, 50% in Africa. In our case we're 0 for 3 with respect to deaths.

turtledove says

Call it Crazy says

You typed it.... 50%... So, half of the people who get it will fight it off with their own immune system.

Yes, 50% in Africa. In our case we're 0 for 3.

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order”.
David Rockefeller

http://youtu.be/y_dXObPKrWU

indigenous says

Of course if you are only looking our for your own ass, you might be right.

Obama says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Dr. Piot says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Indeginous says obama is a liar listen to the doctor. Ok that makes sense on some level I guess. I don't know what level, I've certainly never been there.

bob2356 says

Indeginous says obama is a liar listen to the doctor. Ok that makes sense on some level I guess. I don't know what level, I've certainly never been there.

The doctor says:

"Such an epidemic can destabilise entire regions. I can only hope that we will be able to get it under control. I really never thought that it could get this bad."

And Bub says chill.

That makes sense, on some level, I'm sure.

bob2356 says

bob2356 says

Try doing something really different. Read the article instead of just the headline.

Or you could try something even more radically different, reading the original instead of the just parts spoon fed to you by zerohedge.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/ebola-zaire-peter-piot-outbreak

Nah why would anyone want to know what was really said, you can just take zero hedge's word for it.

"There will certainly be Ebola patients from Africa who come to us in the hopes of receiving treatment. And they might even infect a few people here who may then die. But an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control. "

Fuck you, "few people here who may die", we're not banning travel from Africa no matter what. Your lives are not THAT important, get over it.

BTW they did ban travel in Britain.

bob2356 says

Obama says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Dr. Piot says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Was it before or after the discovery that these suits do not exactly work as expected? The nurse in Spain got infected after only 2 visits to the patient's room and they say she followed all procedures to a t.

What I don't understand is why not park couple of hospital ships near Africa shore and treat the patients there instead of bringing them to our shores. Why risk it?

Obio99 says

I had no idea Doctor Who discovered Ebola.

I'm betting it was Sandshoes.

Entitlemented says

Obama already said that there will be little chance of any cases of Ebola or an outbreak in the US. Why are you listening to some random Euro doctor over our president-itled.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control

we should take your word over the good doctor who discovered the disease?

I was going to comment on the illiteracy, but I see bob has got it.

bob2356 says

indigenous says

bob2356 says

an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control

we should take your word over the good doctor who discovered the disease?

Try doing something really different. Read the article instead of just the headline. It's not my words it's the good doctor Peter Piot's (you know the one in the article, the one that discovered ebola) words. I will modify my post so you can understand it.

I'm thinking that for reasons I won't elaborate on, indigenous assumed that if it was an unimaginable tragedy, then that would imply that it spread widely outside of Africa.

Straw Man says

bob2356 says

Obama says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Dr. Piot says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Was it before or after the discovery that these suits do not exactly work as expected? The nurse in Spain got infected after only 2 visits to the patient's room and they say she followed all procedures to a t.

They don't know yet what the mechanism of infection was. Jump to conclusions much?

- failure to follow protocol
- failure of barrier (gloves, suit, etc.)
- accident

Let's see.

Rew says

Straw Man says

bob2356 says

Obama says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Dr. Piot says any outbreaks in the US will be quickly contained.

Was it before or after the discovery that these suits do not exactly work as expected? The nurse in Spain got infected after only 2 visits to the patient's room and they say she followed all procedures to a t.

They don't know yet what the mechanism of infection was. Jump to conclusions much?

- failure to follow protocol

- failure of barrier (gloves, suit, etc.)

- accident

Let's see.

From what I heard on the radio (NPR) the failure to follow the protocol has been ruled out. Same for accidents - they say that her shifts were uneventful. Which pretty much leaves us with "failure of barrier" which is fancy way of saying "the suit didn't work as expected". If anyone has jumped to the conclusion it was NPR (or rather their source in Spanish Health Ministry or whatever it's called).

Straw Man says

From what I heard on the radio (NPR) the failure to follow the protocol has been ruled out. Same for accidents - they say that her shifts were uneventful. Which pretty much leaves us with "failure of barrier" which is fancy way of saying "the suit didn't work as expected". If anyone has jumped to the conclusion it was NPR (or rather their source in Spanish Health Ministry or whatever it's called).

Ok, so NPR is jumping to conclusions. Do you have to as well?

A barrier failure could simply be a tear in a pair of gloves (an abrasion caused when pulled out of the box, etc. etc.). That doesn't mean the suit was faulty, it could simply mean the person didn't check themselves, or have someone else checking them. When people go to handle contaminated Ebola laden material, they are working in teams, and visually checking each others suits. Is that what happened here?

We don't know.

There are massive unknowns in what occurred. I'm going to blame the suit a lot less, than on human complacency ... or just that one small mistake. The devil is in the details.

Those graphs don't appear to be exponential

Call it Crazy says

Rew says

There are massive unknowns in what occurred. I'm going to blame the suit a lot less, than on human complacency ... or just that one small mistake.

Yeah, it's a good thing that it could never happen here with our healthcare workers!

Who said that it couldn't happen?

Yes, some more people are going to be infected. Yes, unsurprisingly, the transmissions are going to be to people at the highest risk and exposure to the virus : health care workers. No ... no one wakes up in the morning feeling ready to go deal with Ebola (not even those at AMRIDD working in lvl 4).

Is this Ebola outbreak, a strain which appears to be a 70 mortality rate Ebola Zaire strain, related to the one in the 70s (which was a 90% mortality rate by best estimates), going to completely get out of control and sweep the human population, the US, and Europe?

- Potentially could.
- Likelihood seems pretty low still.

Why is this Ebola outbreak so much worse? Why isn't it stopping at killing a couple hundred in some remote villages? Saying it until I'm blue in the face : people didn't believe their government, the aid workers sent to help them, and clung to needing to touch their dead loved ones as part of their burial customs. Ebola is most infections in the dead bodies it leaves behind.

So CIC, yes, it can happen in our healthcare workers, in-fact, pretty good odds it may if we get more infected here. Is it going to sweep small town America or big cities? I think we are giving it low odds with what we see and know right now. That could change, but until then : keep calm, carry on, and use your head.

errc says

Those graphs don't appear to be exponential

LOL

Rew says

Ok, so NPR is jumping to conclusions. Do you have to as well?

A barrier failure could simply be a tear in a pair of gloves (an abrasion caused when pulled out of the box, etc. etc.). That doesn't mean the suit was faulty, it could simply mean the person didn't check themselves, or have someone else checking them. When people go to handle contaminated Ebola laden material, they are working in teams, and visually checking each others suits. Is that what happened here?

We don't know.

They said all procedures were followed precisely. NPR is a reputable news source (unlike RT/zerohedge crap) so I don't see any reason to doubt their account.

humanity says

I was going to comment on the illiteracy, but I see bob has got it.

humanity says

I'm thinking that for reasons I won't elaborate on, indigenous assumed that if it was an unimaginable tragedy, then that would imply that it spread widely outside of Africa.

Speaking of which maybe you should go back and reread the article, this time for comprehension.

Straw Man says

They said all procedures were followed precisely. NPR is a reputable news source (unlike RT/zerohedge crap) so I don't see any reason to doubt their account.

Per today the thinking is she likely got it by improper removal of the suit. There are quite a few suggestive comments in that direction across many articles you can search for now.

Again, we still don't know, but that strikes me as much more plausible than, "the suit failed".

Does that mean the mortality rate went up to 33%, in the US ?