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Agreed the problem is created by the government in the first place.

Stewart's SOP is to take thing out of context so they will be funny, and it is entertaining, but no way in hell do I use this mutt as a source of information.

indigenous says

Agreed the problem is created by the government in the first place.

Stewart's SOP is to take thing out of context so they will be funny, and it is entertaining, but no way in hell do I use this mutt as a source of information.

Agreed, JS is basically insinuating in his funny ways that you can have all the oppressive laws you want and nothing bad will happen as long as the police "behaves" correctly when in fact it's the opposite. Even with a best trained police force human errors will be made and the more laws there are infringing on people's freedoms the more of these tragic incidents will happen, it's simple math.

Mish says

Police Chokehold Ends in Death

Incorrect subject heading to begin with.
Disobeying and confronting cops is what led to his death.

Strategist says

Disobeying and confronting cops is what led to his death.

Not the whole story

Call it Crazy says

Nope, that's pretty much the whole story...

not true there were predisposing factors that are a part of the pathology of government that creates this situation.

indigenous says

Call it Crazy says

Nope, that's pretty much the whole story...

not true there were predisposing factors that are a part of the pathology of government that creates this situation.

Please explain.

This isn't about too many laws, though that be a problem.

Plenty of countries have more laws than NYC does. Ever hear of Europe?

The problem is that interactions with law enforcement are more likely to end in the death of a citizen here. The problem is that our cops suck.

Strategist says

indigenous says

Call it Crazy says

Nope, that's pretty much the whole story...

not true there were predisposing factors that are a part of the pathology of government that creates this situation.

Please explain.

Watch the second video in Mish's blog.

Strategist says

Please explain

Whenever the government raises the taxes (or otherwise interferes with the market place) it increases the chances that the commodity will be sold on the black market.

This is the case with cigarette taxes, drugs, or welfare (where the individual collects welfare and then works for cash on the black market)

It also the case with minimum wage which force the most unqualified people out of work, typically this is young blacks.

It is also the case with excessive regulations which drive work to cheaper areas to produce. An example would be Davis Bacon that requires prevailing wages which gives the advantage to the established workers.

When taxes for the city or the state or the country are not competitive jobs are exported to a location that has fewer taxes.

This is also the case where public sector workers have collective bargaining. As the money that would otherwise go to buy cigarettes is instead used to pay increased wages that are way above the price discovery for that service in the free market.

In a nut shell when every the government interferes in the market place it creates an imbalance that has an effect that is the pathology of this sort of problem.

Yes: taxes killed him. Nevermind all the other laws the cop could have harassed him for.

I'm sure that once we abolish taxes (and the Fed), no police murders will ever occur again!

Call it Crazy says

So, it was the Liberals that actually killed Garner!

Stewart would like to indicate otherwise, but that is a fact, it is baked in.

The funny part that nobody has brought up here is that Mish used Fox news on one side and the Daily show on the other side.

Here's one news source that claims to be fake news, and another source that is only referred to as faux news by the non-indoctrinated.

Since I'm more in favor of personal freedom than a police nanny state, I side with JS and the daily show on this one.

NYC city hall is responsible for this entire incident. If the city had a tax system that encouraged people to work, or starve and leave the place, none of this would of ever happened.
BTW, the same can be said about Ferguson, MO.

indigenous says

In a nut shell when every the government interferes in the market place it creates an imbalance that has an effect that is the pathology of this sort of problem.

So you ignored the question of why this doesn't happen in places that have even more government, like most of europe, but the cops don't even have to carry guns in some of them.

It's nice to libertarian like you and mish, just make pronouncements about how you believe things should work without having to actually show they do work.

bob2356 says

So you ignored the question of why this doesn't happen in places that have even more government, like most of europe, but the cops don't even have to carry guns in some of them.

Don't know, I was talking about this culture. You do not back up your assertion.

My guess would be that they don't enforce black market activities, from what I hear certainly not in France.

I also question your claim that they do not have violence.

indigenous says

Don't know, I was talking about this culture. You do not back up your assertion.

My guess would be that they don't enforce black market activities, from what I hear certainly not in France.

I also question your claim that they do not have violence.

How many times do you hear of people being killed by cops in the rest of the world? Damn few. Do tell what you hear about how France doesn't enforce their black market activities.

Of course they have violence. But most places in the first world it's a lot less violence than in the US and a lot less likely to result in violent arrests.

Don't weasel out with this culture crap. If government causes the problem then it should happen everywhere.

there are 3 videos....
Here is the nonadvertised version:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/12/06/dnt-police-release-body-cam-video.wgrz.html

Oh wait...that doesn't fit the antipolice narritive....it must be fake...

bob2356 says

Don't weasel out with this culture crap. If government causes the problem then it should happen everywhere.

You are the one weaseling out.

Give me some facts.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/violence-against-women-eu

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=186900477