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tatupu70 says

Yes, it's nice to born into a wealthy family, isn't it? If your point is that only those folks who win the lottery at birth are allowed to go to college, then congrats

He made it -more so than many Ph.Ds.tatupu70 says

Learning a trade costs money too. How do you propose folks with no money do that?

Hmm, the word apprentice is not in the English language??
tatupu70 says

If only life were so simple. I'm trying to improve the opportunity for folks who weren't as fortunate at birth.

Are you jesus???

lostand confused says

Hmm, the word apprentice is not in the English language??

Do apprentice programs still exist anywhere?

lostand confused says

He made it -more so than many Ph.Ds

He certainly did. But let's not pretend he came from nothing...

tatupu70 says

lostand confused says

He made it -more so than many Ph.Ds

He certainly did. But let's not pretend he came from nothing...

Plenty of rich kids who amount to nothing and end up as drug addicted party freaks. Plenty of people who came up from nothing and built an empire. All you are doing is providing an excuse-if only somebody paid for this, I would be ok. That would be the drunks in a bar-but if that is the mainstream attitude-then this country is doomed.

Some people who came from rather ordinary beginnings-there are plenty more from where these came from. There are forces in life over which we don't have control and you accept that. The rest is in your hands. Get off your behind and work-but first quit giving reasons as to why you can't be a success-because that will be a self fulfilling prophecy.
Sam Walton
Condoleezza rice
Oprah Winfrey
Sarah Palin
Howard Schultz (Starbucks)
Shahid Khan(Pakistani immigrant)
Kirk Kerkorian (born to Armenian immigrants and school dropout)
Do Won Chang and Jin Sook (immigrant husband)
Ralph Lauren(college dropout)
George Soros (survived Nazi occupation in Hungary)

lostand confused says

Plenty of rich kids who amount to nothing and end up as drug addicted party freaks. Plenty of people who came up from nothing and built an empire.

lol--plenty of people win the lottery too. Should we be content that it is the only way for people who are born into poverty might be successful? What's the problem--they can just buy more tickets??

tatupu70 says

lol--plenty of people win the lottery too. Should we be content that it is the only way for people who are born into poverty might be successful? What's the problem--they can just buy more tickets??

The workings of the mind are fascinating. You didn't read the rest of my post at all or did your mind just put a mental block?

lostand confused says

The workings of the mind are fascinating. You didn't read the rest of my post at all or did your mind just put a mental block?

Sure--I read it. Didn't realize I needed to comment on it as I thought I was clear already. Is it impossible for someone to be successful from humble beginnings? No. Is it much, much, much more difficult when compared with someone born into money? Yes.

I just think society is better off when one's probability of success is determined more by one's drive and ingenuity and less by which family they are born into.

tatupu70 says

I just think society is better off when one's probability of success is determined more by one's drive and ingenuity and less by which family they are born into.

Exactly and that does not come from money. it may help. My parents are immigrants and are very successful as is my fiancé's parents-as are my fiancé and me . Now for both our parents, nobody gave them anything for free. they didn't cry racism or sexism or wait for someone to give them a free handout. They created their own destiny-made a lot of sacrifices, did jobs others would not consider "suitable."

You cannot study an art degree and expect to be paid 100k, just because you think you are worth it. Life is tough, the sooner the kids are taught that and accept the reality they are in, the better they can adjust and see what they want in life.

There are tons of college folks who are working at Starbucks-adding tens of millions more will not benefit folks. Idealism at some stage has to be tempered with reality. But in the generation where you get everything for free and then spit on the face of those who are giving it to you-well what can you expect?

Call it Crazy says

Then why do you cry constantly for "Redistribution of Wealth"?? Isn't getting a handout from family the same as getting a handout from the 1% (or government)?

In your world, it's acceptable for money to be "taken" from those greedy rich people and "given" to the less fortunate.

So, which is it, Capitalism and hard work or liberal socialism?

You never cease to make me laugh. It's always all emotion in your posts.

In my world, progressive taxation and social spending is used to create an environment where it's possible to be successful no matter which class you are born into--low, middle or upper.

I guess the answer is capitalism and hard work. Like the time period from 1945-1980. Unless you think that was socialism.

Call it Crazy says

You can't have it both ways.... either it's capitalism, hard work and the school of hard knocks, where everyone DOESN'T get a trophy...

...or, it's progressive taxation and social spending, where you're going to TAKE from the capitalist, which destroys their drive to create more (which truly helps everyone) and give to the ones who DON'T want to work hard...

Are you kidding? Government is not a binary system. Every country in the world has it both ways, as they should. The most successful countries are in between capitalism and socialism because they understand the benefits and pitfalls of each and design government to get the best of both worlds.

The goal is for everyone to get equal opportunity to succeed--not equal success.

Call it Crazy says

That has ALWAYS been available. Everyone starts out from the same point and has the same opportunities.

You're kidding, right? You think a guy born into the South side of Chicago has the same opportunities as one born in Lake Forest or Wilmette? What are you smoking??

tatupu70 says

You think a guy born into the South side of Chicago has the same opportunities as one born in Lake Forest or Wilmette? What are you smoking??

The South side has some very nice neighborhoods, including Hypde Park, as one example. But your point is well taken.

Call it Crazy says

Coming from a affluent area/family versus the 'hood doesn't guarantee anything... It's the individual that makes it happen.

You seem to suffer from very black and white thinking. Just because it's possible for someone to succeed from poverty doesn't mean that the opportunities presented are the same as one born into wealth. Because, clearly they are not.

tatupu70 says

Do apprentice programs still exist anywhere?

Yeah, that show with Donald Trump

Call it Crazy says

socialists like you don't understand

That socialist rag The Economist understands:

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21640331-importance-intellectual-capital-grows-privilege-has-become-increasingly

People who work for a living still have not figured it out and live in yesterday land. They're are three guys who live in two homes on one lot in my upscale neighborhood. I asked them the other day how they go fishing in their boat almost everyday.

The reply was they get 3700 dollars disability cash between the three of them, get another almost 600 in EBT (food stamps) and discounts on most all of their bills.

The guys look as fit as body builders. I even saw their garage gym once. Really nice with a workout station nation and much free weights. If i were 50 years younger i would be choose these guys over the working fools, HANDS DOWN !!

So everyone should be Bill Gates? Your fatal flaw is using the exception as the rule.

Who cares about that mythical "everyone?"