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This slimy critter has the gift of the gab. He is extremely dangerous as he knows how to mask his brand of snake oil and make it seem like the elixir of life.

Does it make you feel better to imagine that the folks who can't afford to go to community college are 300# lazy critters?

tatupu70 says

Does it make you feel better to imagine that the folks who can't afford to go to community college are 300# lazy critters?

How much is enough? Sec 8, food stamps, free medical, free cell phones, free everything. Everybody does not have to go to college-the poor merit kids already get scholarships. The so-so kids can go and pick up a trade and all they need to be is taught a good work ethic. being given something for nothing all their lives is not going to make somebody a productive citizen.

Welfare cases should not be allowed to vote. Felons are not-so why should lazy bums who do nothing and live off others for generations be allowed to shape this country's future.

lostand confused says

The so-so kids can go and pick up a trade and all they need to be is taught a good work ethic

What do you think community college is for?? That's the point of this legislation---let them learn a trade.

lostand confused says

Welfare cases should not be allowed to vote. Felons are not-so why should lazy bums who do nothing and live off others for generations be allowed to shape this country's future.

And once again--does it help you rationalize your views to think of welfare recipients as lazy bums?

Call it Crazy says

Here's the TRUE view of Tat's socialist liberal utopia... If it was up to him, 100% of the population would be in the second column!!

It's sad that you've learned so little after reading this site for so long. I'm fairly certain that you've read my posts about the problems with wealth inequality and how 1% of the US population controls 30%+ of the wealth.

My utopia would be were there is much less inequality and therefore poverty. And less poverty = fewer people on government assistance.

If you want to reduce welfare, reduce inequality. It's as simple as that.

Stuff like taxing insurance plans, medical devices, and now college money, you can't help but see exactly who's side this motherfucker is on.

Unless you're a Liberal of course, then it all make sense. The idea is to tax any son of a bitch that might have more or better than you. BUt the reality is when you don't have any work, prospects, skills or hope. A goddamned Cockroach has it better than a Liberal constituent.

The fucking useless slaves.

Call it Crazy says

Here's the TRUE view of Tat's socialist liberal utopia

Where did you get your chart? Medicaid says they have 65 million people and that's AFTER 7 million signed up through obamacare. The "census bureau" says 83 million. Something is very wrong. Are the rest of the numbers just as bad?

Call it Crazy says

But your way to fix it is in "Redistribution of wealth" and TAKE it from the people at the top and GIVE it to the people on the bottom...

Obviously. How do you think the people at the top got their wealth?? It grew on trees in their yard???

They took it from the people at the bottom and middle. I just want to give it back.

tatupu70 says

Call it Crazy says

But your way to fix it is in "Redistribution of wealth" and TAKE it from the people at the top and GIVE it to the people on the bottom...

Obviously. How do you think the people at the top got their wealth?? It grew on trees in their yard???

They took it from the people at the bottom and middle. I just want to give it back.

LOL, they certainly didn't take it from the poor. Quite a few created a lot of wealth for the economy and therefore for others, some exploited the system if the government made it easy for them (e.g. FIRE sector). Capitalism is not a choice, it's a necessity because it is closest to human nature where you provide a good/service where there is a need/demand. The further you stray from that model the worse your economy will do. Forceful redistribution is one of the counterproductive measures, esp. income tax.

Call it Crazy says

Ahhh... a TRUE socialist...

Nope--just a practical capitalist.

don't know why you all criticize those that don't work, they are making more money than those that work. Now in california you even get 80 bucks a month for each kid under the age of 2 for diapers. you don't need money for anything anymore, plus you get a grip of cash for 250 dollar sneakers, movies, the best cell phones.

oh, my 600 lb grandson has not worked since the age of 22 and that was many years ago. i figured his entitlements. free food, disability, free rent, discounted phone/car insurance/gas and electric/bus pass/medical, and figured in he pays no taxes. he lives like someone making 80 thousand a year before taxes. what a nice life.

Wouldn't another tax cut, plus a weapons program like the F-35, and doubling Iowa corn ethanol subsidies put this right?

What if we got rid of some more unions? That would surely increase middle-class earnings, right?

lostand confused says

Everybody does not have to go to college-the poor merit kids already get scholarships.

Actually, in my opinion free college with his proposal pays for itself. We're just talking about tuition at junior colleges. It's pretty hard to imagine that the cost of this would not come back to the government in the form of tax revenues later.

These days, for a variety of reasons (especially in the poorest neighborhoods) students get behind in school. For many of those students, call them late bloomers, those first two years of junior college are critical to getting them up to where the average to slightly above average students are in middle class neighborhood public schools, when they graduate HS.

I can see that taxing college savings accounts isn't an ideal way to pay for this. But at least he believes in trying to pay for spending, rather than the typical right wing idea of starving the beast, by not paying for things like tax cuts to upper incomes and corporations.

HydroCabron says

Wouldn't another tax cut, plus a weapons program like the F-35, and doubling Iowa corn ethanol subsidies put rhis right?

Yes, exactly.

Most junior colleges do nothing more than elevate the gratuitous high school illiterates to where they should have been in sophomore year of high school anyway.

Obama has turned the Presidency into game show hosting, so called free prizes but no contest.

tatupu70 says

Obviously. How do you think the people at the top got their wealth?? It grew on trees in their yard???

They took it from the people at the bottom and middle. I just want to give it back.

People who open 529 accounts for their kids are not "people at the top", hello!

Straw Man says

People who open 529 accounts for their kids are not "people at the top", hello!

I agree with that. Taxing 529 accounts wouldn't be my choice.

"You didn't earn that money."

Anyone have a list of all the Rep/Con/Teas sucking on the Big Govt. Socialist teat?

HEY YOU says

Anyone have a list of all the Rep/Con/Teas sucking on the Big Govt. Socialist teat?

Two wrongs don't make a right. That pig castrating senator whose family lives off the gubmnt teat is just wrong.

But obozo is now exhibiting a pattern. In Obozocare he taxed so called Cadillac plans. Many unions will be affected by that. I doubt unions are the 1%. Now Obozo is proposing to tax college funds that mostly upper middle class use. This is just wrong-where is he going to stop??

It is inevitable. Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout. Those now comprise the evil class in Obozo's bizarro world. It is their money he wants so that the 300 pound welfare hordes can live in comfort for ever.

casandra says

oh, my 600 lb grandson has not worked since the age of 22 and that was many years ago. i figured his entitlements. free food, disability, free rent, discounted phone/car insurance/gas and electric/bus pass/medical, and figured in he pays no taxes. he lives like someone making 80 thousand a year before taxes. what a nice life.

You must be so proud?

marcus says

Actually, in my opinion free college with his proposal pays for itself. We're just talking about tuition at junior colleges. It's pretty hard to imagine that the cost of this would not come back to the government in the form of tax revenues later.

The reality is that it boils down to are you a good student or not? If not then it is a waste of money.

Secondly the stats on community college graduates are that only about 30% of them graduate with a 2 yr degree. And the income of those graduates is only marginally higher than high school graduates.

Opinions are as ubiquitous as assholes...

indigenous says

Secondly the stats on community college graduates are that only about 30% of them graduate with a 2 yr degree. And the income of those graduates is only marginally higher than high school graduates.

Do those stats include those that go on to complete four year degrees ?

Please supply your sources.

Call it Crazy says

I'd like to see you prove that!

I didn't say I could prove it. But there are countless studies we have all seen that say income levels correlate with how much education a person has.

And as I said, some of these kids are really getting up to where they have the equivalent of a decent high school education. Why not look up the statistics on incomes of people who completed high school versus those that haven't ?

humanity says

Do those stats include those that go on to complete four year degrees ?

Please supply your sources.

Don't know, if only 30% IIRC graduate then what percentage get through a 4yr school, 15%

The point is that O's idea of free community college is once again crap

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LS7yxuqGTU

Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?

carrieon says

Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?

Help wanted signs are where?

CL says

Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?

Help wanted signs are where?

Pretty much anywhere for the rare person today who will drive around, look and or ask.

I guess 34 years of tax cuts haven't trickled down yet.

Give it time.

I like the idea of free college, but they should just tax everyone except for me to pay for it, I'm special. Isn't that how it should work?

carrieon says

Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?

Minimum wage wanted help signs. Now when I was young, our generation was happy for any work we got. But I see new kids, they don't want to sweat or labor all that much. They see Mexicans work, and they think all manual work is demeaning unless you Mexican. Our culture got all messed up lately.

FortWayne says

Minimum wage wanted help signs. Now when I was young, our generation was happy for any work we got.

When I was young, you'd generally see folks with brownish skin digging the ditches while someone with light skin was overseeing them.

About those 92 million Americans, a hilarious claim. If there were that many "young people looking for work" I'd be aghast. But there aren't. Lots of people are not working because they are RETIRED. Or stay at home Moms, want to force them into the job market? I have a friend a bit older that can't lift anything of consequence anymore, his back is DONE for. The actual figure for unemployed people who are employable and seeking employment is much much lower.

FortWayne says

Now when I was young, our generation was happy for any work we got.

I'll bet you walked to school barefoot in the snow uphill both directions also.

lostand confused says

Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout.

You're losing it man. Get a grip.

lostand confused says

It is inevitable. Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout.

It's like when I started using slippery-slope arguments. Soon I was brushing and flossing less. Then I was stiffing people on the check at group restaurant outings. Then I became impolite. Which progressed, naturally, to double parking, and then petty theft. Then arson, which got boring, so I started doing rapes. Now I kill people and steal anything that isn't nailed down, and I fully intend to overthrow the government, start a land war on three continents (Asia is a must) and become the greatest mass murderer history has ever known!

And when that's settled, I'll move on to CENTRAL BANKING!

Bwahahahahaha!

marcus says

lostand confused says

Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout.

You're losing it man. Get a grip.

Says the one trick pony. Can't handle any criticism of the anointed one??

lostand confused says

Says the one trick pony. Can't handle any criticism of the anointed one??

Why is it that you think people who recognize wealth disparity as an issue facing our current society "hate the 1%"?

casandra says

don't know why you all criticize those that don't work, they are making more money than those that work. Now in california you even get 80 bucks a month for each kid under the age of 2 for diapers. you don't need money for anything anymore, plus you get a grip of cash for 250 dollar sneakers, movies, the best cell phones.

oh, my 600 lb grandson has not worked since the age of 22 and that was many years ago. i figured his entitlements. free food, disability, free rent, discounted phone/car insurance/gas and electric/bus pass/medical, and figured in he pays no taxes. he lives like someone making 80 thousand a year before taxes. what a nice life.

Poor baby. How unfortunate to be born with a thyroid condition

tatupu70 says

lostand confused says

Says the one trick pony. Can't handle any criticism of the anointed one??

Why is it that you think people who recognize wealth disparity as an issue facing our current society "hate the 1%"?

Hating the 1% has been a major theme in the far left of our country. That is going to spread-from 1% to the 40% is not a stretch. Especially when larger and larger chunks of the population get used to getting money for doing nothing. Just as some farms get money for not planting crops.

Getting money from rich folks to pay for bums or as Obozo is already doing -expanding the tax base to include middle income folks-people who have good insurance plans through work , medical devices and now his proposal to tax college plans - is not how you reduce income inequality.

Obozo is already negotiating the TPP and that will expand the wealth gap even further-by making our workers compete directly with the likes of Vietnam. He is being extremely dishonest-by projecting to be some messiah of the middle class-when all he is doing is serving his corporate masters and giving handouts to the poor by squeezing everybody else.

Inequality is already there-but this whole theme of the 1% has been around for too long. They are not the cause, but the symptom. When one can erect a factory in China/whatever hellhole , import goods with no barriers to entry and even get tax benefits for that-well factory owner will do just that. Once one does and undercuts the price-others will be forced to follow or shut down. The owners now are richer and the middle class former workers are now poorer-along with all the supporting industries/businesses. That is not something that the rich did-but the gubmnt -who is supposed to look out for all of us.

But there is Obozo signing in secret an even bigger free trade deal and in this case foreign corporations can sue local gubmnts for loss of revenue due to local laws-in a foreign tribunal. That is what the clown is negotiating and you think this won't add to income inequality, when we will be competing with hordes of Vietnamese workers. Nope-lets just raise taxes and give it to the bums/formerly productive workers. That will solve everything

carrieon says

CL says

Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?

Help wanted signs are where?

Pretty much anywhere for the rare person today who will drive around, look and or ask.

So we have surplus jobs in America that go unfilled? Because our benefits are so generous they won't take these good jobs?

Aren't you the same folks that say jobs are not being created, the ones that are are shitty, and the REAL unemployment numbers are much, much higher?

Call it Crazy says

Here's the TRUE view of Tat's socialist liberal utopia... If it was up to him, 100% of the population would be in the second column!!

No.

The politicians only need a simple majority to elect them. They also need the rest of us to pay off those voters.

Democrats and Republicans have that in common and just disagree over who gets the hand-outs and what minority gets squeezed.

43's middle-class tax cuts moved America's tax system from second place to most progressive (ratio of tax to income shares for the top earning decile) in the OECD 24 including Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, The Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, The Slovak Republic, Sweden, Switzerland, and The United Kingdom.

lostand confused says

Hating the 1% has been a major theme in the far left of our country.

See--that's where you're wrong. As others on here have pointed out, the 1% has many Dems in it. What the left hates is the current political policies that lead to increased wealth disparity.

lostand confused says

Inequality is already there-but this whole theme of the 1% has been around for too long.

Of course--there will always be inequality. But not at the current ridiculously high levels. It hasn't been this high since the late 1920s--and we all know how that ended.

lostand confused says

They are not the cause, but the symptom. When one can erect a factory in China/whatever hellhole , import goods with no barriers to entry and even get tax benefits for that-well factory owner will do just that. Once one does and undercuts the price-others will be forced to follow or shut down. The owners now are richer and the middle class former workers are now poorer-along with all the supporting industries/businesses. That is not something that the rich did-but the gubmnt -who is supposed to look out for all of us.

Of course. That's why we have to elect more liberals. Free trade is a VERY Republican ideal. Not exclusively, obviously, but if you look at who votes against the free trade deals, it's usually liberals.

So, you're basically arguing Obama isn't liberal enough.