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267   WookieMan   2018 Aug 31, 4:11am  

CBOEtrader says
Also what about sports or just being able to give it to a kid in school?


The NFLPA has been trying for a while now to get it off the banned substance list. So if America's favorite sport and athletes are wanting it, I don't think sports is an issue. While playing the game, sure I suppose it could have a detrimental effect. But you can't assume what they're taking anyway isn't detrimental to game day performance either.

The kids in school is a bit problematic, I'll agree there. I'd say it shouldn't be used as a pain reliever for minor things in a school setting. But if a kid has something serious, then sure, let them take it. There are varieties that don't get you nearly as high as what people would think. And if you actually NEED it daily, then you do build up a tolerance to the high.

If pain levels are that bad, it's likely that you're taking prescription anyway. And I presume you've read those labels on prescriptions. Wouldn't want my kid taking that shit, say after an appendicitis or gall bladder removal.

I'm not some hippy dippy, holistic guru guy either, but weed does work from personal experience. And other older folks I know who swore the stuff was the devil, gateway, etc. used it now at 60+ and swear by it. Believe me, before I tried it for pain reasons I thought the same thing, people just wanting to get high. Getting high isn't bad though either. Rather have stoned people walking around in public versus drunks if that's the most concerning side effect with no other physical, health damaging side effects. Get stoned and helps with pain.

I consume maybe 20 times a year roughly, when in states where legal. Mostly for recreation. So I'm not some pothead with an agenda to get high all the time without legal consequences.
268   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 31, 5:02am  

WookieMan says
There are varieties that don't get you nearly as high as what people would think. And if you actually NEED it daily, then you do build up a tolerance to the high.


Cant they remove the "high" and leave the medicine?

My god if they could remove the "munchies" and perhaps the "stupid" from the high, it would be the perfect recreational drug.
269   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 31, 5:16am  

WookieMan says
people just wanting to get high. Getting high isn't bad though either.


If you are a chronic cancer patient, getting high could be therapeutic. At least it takes your mind off your tragedy for a while. Any extreme pain and getting high is half the solution, like a morphine drip from a man w a missing leg.

I'm just saying I dont see the conspiracy to keep it down for money reasons... or perhaps there are negative monetary reasons for some corporations, but many other see huge $$$. This isnt some corporations vs the small man situation. Phillip Morris could make more than anyone if marijuana is legalized. https://hightimes.com/news/tobacco-companies-investing-cannabis/
270   WookieMan   2018 Aug 31, 6:08am  

CBOEtrader says
I'm just saying I dont see the conspiracy to keep it down for money reasons... or perhaps there are negative monetary reasons for some corporations, but many other see huge $$$. This isnt some corporations vs the small man situation. Phillip Morris could make more than anyone if marijuana is legalized. https://hightimes.com/news/tobacco-companies-investing-cannabis/


I understand this sentiment and get most people will go for commercial products if it were legalized. And new huge corps will spring out of nowhere as well. So I'm not arguing the big guys vs little guy point. There's massive money to be made because revenue from 1 acre is probably the equivalent of 500 acres of corn or soybeans (might be even more, just guessing).

Knowing our government though, they'll still probably make it illegal to grow a plant in your back yard if it was legalized. But IF growing was allowed, it's essentially free if you smoke it and minimal cost to make your own edibles. No one gets a cut in that market and that's the problem with allowing legal cannabis. Two plants can yield more then even the most potty of pots head could consume in a year. Nobody is making money off what's grown in your back yard and that's where there's a problem. If it reduces 10-15% of OTC and prescription pain killers, then it's going to impact things bigly.

And don't get me wrong, 80-90% of the customers, if it became legal, would be recreational users. But they're using it anyway and pot laws are very rarely ever enforced in non-legal states if you're out and about. So not much changes tomorrow if it becomes legal outside of new companies being born and new tax revenue that is just going to criminals now. Seems like a win win to me.

CBOEtrader says
My god if they could remove the "munchies" and perhaps the "stupid" from the high, it would be the perfect recreational drug.


I don't know, I can live with those side effects. Versus other prescription drugs out there? It's like getting a cut (Cannabis) versus being stabbed with a sword (oxy for example). Opioid pain killers legit do part of what's in the title, kill. Weed doesn't.
271   mell   2018 Aug 31, 6:24am  

Aphroman says
When you say “get high”, what do you think you mean? The euphoric feeling? Generally there’s not much impairment with cannabis consumption.


If you take an edible cookie say with 1/8 as serving and eat half of it, most people will either trip hard, pass out sleeping or throw up, or any combination thereof. Depending on the dosage impairment is significant. Less so when smoking as it is easier to titrate, but similar to alcohol you have a cumulative effect if you smoke too much too fast. It's all about dosage, in moderation alcohol is good for you, similar for cannabis. It should not be stronger regulated than alcohol.
272   mell   2018 Aug 31, 6:44am  

Aphroman says
mell says
Aphroman says
When you say “get high”, what do you think you mean? The euphoric feeling? Generally there’s not much impairment with cannabis consumption.


If you take an edible cookie say with 1/8 as serving and eat half of it, most people will either trip hard, pass out sleeping or throw up, or any combination thereof. Depending on the dosage impairment is significant. Less so when smoking as it is easier to titrate, but similar to alcohol you have a cumulative effect if you smoke too much. It's all about dosage, in moderation alcohol is good for you, similar for cannabis. It should not be stronger regulated than alcohol.


It’s actually not like alcohol at all, and you’re goingvto continue to see more and more science become mainstream showing that no amount of alcohol is good for you

T...


Alcohol in moderation is linked to slightly increased longevity simply mostly by protecting the heart. This correlation has been repeated in many studies. The recent study included deaths from impairment, self harm and tuberculosis and also included teenagers. If you take these off the numbers look different. There is a trade off wrt cardio vascular and diabetes benefits and increased cancer risk so I would not recommend drinking a lot unless you are partying once in a while.
273   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 31, 7:38am  

Aphroman says
And of course, there’s an infinite amount of different chemovars (chemical varieties, some people call ‘strains’) and cannabis has been bred to have higher/lower amounts of THC a/o CBD. Some have much more myrcene or pinene than others, and the distribution of these olefinic natural organic hydrocarbons, or rather varying combinations, offer up far differing effects.


Did you go to weed university?
274   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 31, 9:22am  

Aphroman says
Don't let those words Racist and Republican trigger you


Lol, you literally can't have a conversation w/o mislabeling republicans as racist. I've never voted for a Republican, ever...but this says a lot about your misdirected mindset.

Lay off the CNN and maybe you'd see the world more clearly
275   FortWayne   2018 Aug 31, 10:03am  

curious2 says
FortWayne says
Liberals tend to rewrite history to fit their own narrative.


Some people who call themselves "liberal" or "conservative" or "libertarian" do that, but it is neither a liberal nor conservative nor libertarian thing to do. You have repeatedly done that regarding Rome among other topics.


How do you than explain the Rome thing?
276   Patrick   2018 Sep 20, 9:17pm  

jazz_music says
liberal tennents and values are the only hope for wage earners to regain some dignity and some freedom in this country.


@jazz_music I appreciate your hope, but the reality is that Democratic policies have become much worse than those of Republicans, crushing wage earners by forcing them to compete directly with underpaid Chinese and Mexicans.

If you want reasonable wages, you must help stop the export of jobs and the import of illegals, both of which crush wages for the poorest American citizens, especially black people, far more effectively than any Republican policy has yet so far.

The Democrats have betrayed their supporters so massively and flagrantly that they should be disbanded as a party and reconstituted as the Labor Party, with the explicit goal of stopping the export of jobs and import of illegals.
277   SoTex   2018 Sep 20, 9:22pm  

jazz_music says
There is no free market other than the one that exists structured by policies that guarantee the rich will always win using their built in advantages, which are A LOT of government services that us taxpayers pay for.


Great! Lets cut the massive govt bureaucracy by say 75%!
278   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 4:59am  

Patrick says
@jazz_music I appreciate your hope, but the reality is that Democratic policies have become much worse than those of Republicans, crushing wage earners by forcing them to compete directly with underpaid Chinese and Mexicans.

If you want reasonable wages, you must help stop the export of jobs and the import of illegals, both of which crush wages for the poorest American citizens, especially black people, far more effectively than any Republican policy has yet so far.

The Democrats have betrayed their supporters so massively and flagrantly that they should be disbanded as a party and reconstituted as the Labor Party, with the explicit goal of stopping the export of jobs and import of illegals.


Which policies are those exactly?

(I bet if you look, you'll find they were actually Republican policies....)
279   MrMagic   2018 Sep 21, 7:38am  

antiforum
280   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 8:01am  

Aphroman says
Since when did cheap foreign labor become a “liberal” thing and not a Republican thing?


@Aphroman Since Democrats developed an obsession with tranny bathrooms and various other divisive distractions from the real issues.

Sure, Republicans have always been the business party, but now with Trump, amazingly, they represent the concerns of labor much better than Democrats do.

The Democratic Party has forgotten its reason for existence.
281   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 8:02am  

LeonDurham says
Which policies are those exactly?


Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.
282   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 8:16am  

Patrick says

Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.


OK--can you back up the statement and show me ANY Democrat that is PRO illegal immigration? Just show me one.
283   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 8:17am  

Patrick says
@Aphroman Since Democrats developed an obsession with tranny bathrooms and various other divisive distractions from the real issues.

Sure, Republicans have always been the business party, but now with Trump, amazingly, they represent the concerns of labor much better than Democrats do.

The Democratic Party has forgotten its reason for existence.


It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans
284   FortWayne   2018 Sep 21, 8:18am  

Who is giving out licenses to illegals in CA? Hint, not Republicans.

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
LeonDurham says
Which policies are those exactly?


Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.


Where is your proof for your statement?
285   mell   2018 Sep 21, 8:26am  

Patrick says
LeonDurham says
Which policies are those exactly?


Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.


You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.
286   mell   2018 Sep 21, 8:51am  

Rocketmanjoe says
Who hired the illegal immigrant that killed Mollie Tibbetts


Irrelevant. Trump is fighting illegal immigration, the party affiliation of perpetrators is irrelevant. Just because the Trump admin is finally cleaning this up doesn't mean all Republican voters are angels and follow the law. Everybody hiring illegals should and will be prosecuted/fined hard.
287   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 9:02am  

mell says
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.


Seriously. This is a trolling pattern for Democrats/Leftists here.

Logical Person: "Democrats support illegal immigration."

Democrat: "Uh really? lol what policies support that statement?"

Logical Person: "How about sanctuary cities?"

*democrat disappears from the thread*
288   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 10:18am  

Rocketmanjoe says

What exactly is wrong with a local government not doing federal government work?


I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work, that would be the correct word to use.

289   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 10:24am  

mell says
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.


Wrong--it's been deflected many times. I'm looking for a Democrat that is on record saying they are PRO illegal immigration. Since all the Trump cultists here claim ALL Dems feel this way, I assume it would be very easy.

Because I can show the exact opposite. Dem after Dem voting to increase border security.
290   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 10:26am  

Goran_K says
Seriously. This is a trolling pattern for Democrats/Leftists here.

Logical Person: "Democrats support illegal immigration."

Democrat: "Uh really? lol what policies support that statement?"

Logical Person: "How about sanctuary cities?"

*democrat disappears from the thread*


Oh, I'm still here.

Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely. Not border security.

The goal is to stop people from entering illegally.
291   mell   2018 Sep 21, 10:31am  

Goran_K says
I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work, that would be the correct word to use.


Makes me sick every-time I see this, such a beautiful full-of-life girl. And this asshole got fucking acquitted.
292   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 10:35am  

Rocketmanjoe says
The goal is to stop people from entering illegally.


And stop people from being employed illegally. Why no e-verify?


And why no criminal prosecutions of CEOs that hire illegals?
293   mell   2018 Sep 21, 10:49am  

Rocketmanjoe says
Goran_K says
I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work


Is that not orange that the guy is wearing? Did he not get tried? What sanctuary City policy was used to subvert his day in court?

*Libertarian disappears from the thread*


Sanctuary policy prevented him to get deported because SC do not report illegals to ICE - Kate could be alive today! The blood of Kate Steinle is on every defender of sanctuary cities. Then he was acquitted for murder.
294   FortWayne   2018 Sep 21, 11:28am  

Reagan created eVerify back in the 80s, to combat illegal hiring.

Rocketmanjoe says
FortWayne says
Who is giving out licenses to illegals in CA? Hint, not Republicans.


Who is not making e-verify the law of the land? Hint both Democrats and more over Republicans since they have the majority in both the house and the Senate.

Who is hiring unskilled foreign labor? Hint, Trump. Guess he doesn't love Americans enough to only hire Americans.
295   mell   2018 Sep 21, 11:33am  

Rocketmanjoe says
mell says
The blood of Kate Steinle is on every


The blood of Mollie Tibbetts is on every Republican law maker and support of Republican law makers.


bullshit. somebody broke the law and hired an illegal. Leftists and Dems DEFY federal law openly and pass local governances to hinder federal law enforcement and collaboration of LEOs! not even the same ballpark, not even the same fucking league.
296   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 12:07pm  

Aphroman says
What has changed from the eight years of Obama’s presidency?


A lot of us are much, much wealthier since the Muslim left office.
297   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 12:22pm  

LeonDurham says
Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely.


How do sanctuary city policies accomplish that?
298   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 12:28pm  

Goran_K says


How do sanctuary city policies accomplish that?


"Sanctuary city (French: ville sanctuaire, Spanish: ciudad santuario) refers to municipal jurisdictions, typically in North America and Western Europe, that limit their cooperation with the national government's effort to enforce immigration law. Leaders of sanctuary cities want to reduce the fear of deportation and possible family break-up among people who are in the country illegally, so that such people will be more willing to report crimes, use health and social services, and enroll their children in school. In the United States, municipal policies include prohibiting police or city employees from questioning people about their immigration status and refusing requests by national immigration authorities to detain people beyond their release date, if they were jailed for breaking local law.[1] Such policies can be set expressly in law (de jure) or observed in practice (de facto), but the designation "sanctuary city" does not have a precise legal definition. The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimated in 2018 that more than 500 U.S. jurisdictions, including states and municipalities, had adopted sanctuary policies.[2]
Studies on the relationship between sanctuary status and crime have found that sanctuary policies either have no effect on crime or that sanctuary cities have lower crime rates and stronger economies than comparable non-sanctuary cities.[3][4][5][6] Opponents of sanctuary cities argue that cities should assist the national government in enforcing immigration law. Supporters of sanctuary cities argue that enforcement of national law is not the duty of localities.[7] Legal opinions vary on whether immigration enforcement by local police is constitutional.[8] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city
299   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 1:25pm  

LeonDurham says
Studies on the relationship between sanctuary status and crime have found that sanctuary policies either have no effect on crime


Not that "wikipedia" isn't a reliable source or anything....... so how did they determine this? Can you actually explain the study?
300   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 1:26pm  

Rocketmanjoe says
I didn't know Bush was a Muslim.


He wasn't.

This guy was.

301   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:26pm  

Democrats are very generous to illegals:

Karthick Ramakrishnan, a public policy professor at UC Riverside, calls what's emerging "the California package": an array of policies that touch on nearly every aspect of immigrant life, from healthcare to higher education to protection from federal immigration enforcement.

Other states have adopted components of the package; Connecticut, for example, offers in-state tuition and driver's licenses, and passed legislation known as the Trust Act to help limit deportations before California did.

But Ramakrishnan said California is unique in how comprehensive its offerings are.

Most of these laws were passed after 2000, and became especially plentiful after 2012, when President Obama took executive action that shielded from deportation people who were brought to the country illegally.

California was one of the first states to authorize driver's licenses for those affected by Obama's order; two years later, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law enabling all immigrants in the U.S. illegally to seek licenses. The same year, the state expanded in-state tuition for more students in the country illegally and allowed people without legal status to obtain law and other professional licenses.


http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-immigrant-rights-20150811-story.html
302   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:37pm  

Answer: because CEOs are well connected and donate to the right people. It's systemic corruption.

So I agree that we absolutely need to make CEOs responsible for ensuring that all of their workforce is in the country legally, even though US citizens cost more to employ.
303   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:40pm  

jazz_music says
Mostly his staff has made all the real accomplishments.


Woah, careful, getting close to admitting Trump has accomplishments!

His staff was hired by him to do those thing under his direction.
304   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:44pm  

LeonDurham says
Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely.


@LeonDurham Sanctuary cities are about undercutting wages for the poorest US citizens.

Even if you disagree about why some cities are inviting in illegals, the effect is the same: immense harm and deeper poverty for the poorest US citizen. What about treating them humanely instead?
305   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 6:09pm  

LeonDurham says
It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans


Gee, Obama seemed quite worried about tranny bathrooms, and I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is planning to issue a sweeping directive telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

A letter to school districts will go out Friday, adding to a highly charged debate over transgender rights in the middle of the administration’s legal fight with North Carolina over the issue. The declaration — signed by Justice and Education department officials — will describe what schools should do to ensure that none of their students are discriminated against.

It does not have the force of law, but it contains an implicit threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.

The move is certain to draw fresh criticism, particularly from Republicans, that the federal government is wading into local matters and imposing its own values on communities across the country that may not agree. It represents the latest example of the Obama administration using a combination of policies, lawsuits and public statements to change the civil rights landscape for gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people.
306   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 6:19pm  

jazz_music says
Appreciate my point that the politics of inequality have ransacked our nation and will continue until we FORCE it to stop.


@jazz_music My friend, we agree.

Sure, both parties are infested by servants of our owners, and they do what they can to make our owners richer at our expense, mostly by driving down wages via the export of jobs and import of illegals.

Trump is just about the only politician out there who is pointing these things out. I don't care about his personal flaws as long as he keeps up the pressure and the economy keeps rolling like it is.

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