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An Antidote To Corporate Media


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Patrick.net is an online forum, a bit like Twitter or Reddit, but with much more freedom of speech than either of those. Almost anything goes, but a few things don't, such as deliberately personally insulting another user, or deliberately misrepresenting what another user said.

I got the patrick.net domain name back in 1995 when I was one day too late for patrick.com. Missing the .com name turned out to be fine. I prefer the .net name now because life is all about human networks. This site was just my personal blog from 1995 to 2004.

In 2004 I started writing about the housing bubble, which catapulted the site to national fame for a while. I was interviewed on NPR, on Nightline on TV, and in other corporate media that I have since learned to recognize as poison. Here are my original the articles about the housing bubble (the dates on them are much later because I updated them):

https://patrick.net/post/1282720/2015-07-11-ten-reasons-it-s-a-terrible-time-to
https://patrick.net/post/1282721/2015-07-11-eight-groups-who-lie-about-the-housing
https://patrick.net/post/1282722/2015-07-11-37-bogus-arguments-about-housing

The big housing bubble popped in 2008, and traffic fell, since it was no longer controversial to assert that we really had had a housing bubble.

About then, I decided to just let the public discuss other topics with each other and wrote my own forum software. I'm a programmer, so that was fun. At first I was kind of disturbed at the number of conservatives on the site, but as I discussed things with them and saw San Francisco literally turn to shit under far-left Democrat extremists, I changed my thinking.

And yet I didn't change my thinking all that much, because once again, I'm opposing corruption of government by the oligarchy. Before, my enemy was the NAR (National Association of Realtors) and I still think the NAR is nothing but institutionalized crime, but there are bigger fish to fry now, especially since the worldwide campaign to inject every human with a dangerous and ineffective genetic experiment, which was never approved by the FDA. (They approved "Comirnaty", which is not available, to deceive the public.)

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-september-21-2022


It’s like Pharma just backed a truck up to the Progressive Values Factory; stole everything; modified core values in order to maim people, make money, and implement global totalitarianism; and the left is just out there smoking a cigarette on the loading dock saying, “Sounds good to me.” What!? What the heck happened to the left? Is there no one remaining in that tribe who is capable of logic and reason!? Quite literally the worst industry in the world stole the left’s most cherished values and no one on the left is the slightest bit offended by this (even though they are offended by everything else)!? We live in the bizarro upside down world.




I could go on, but you'll get the idea by reading the site.



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392   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 13, 11:07am  

Elgatouno says
police your own this is why a one sided moderation policy is fucking stupid


Point me to another current user bringing up a sockpuppet in the recent past that you're complaining about, thanks.
393   CaltRightCrazy   2019 Mar 13, 11:19pm  

antiforum
395   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 15, 11:25pm  

MAGA_BOMBER says
offending is no great accomplishment, Offensive speech isolates people and undermines relationships permanently because all relationships are based on respect.


Respect is to be earned, not given away.

We can't ban offensive speech because then we'd be at the mercy of the most easily offended; the lowest common denominator, and wouldn't be able to discuss jack shit.

Some people are triggered by somebody saying "The Earth is a fucking oblate spheroid, not fucking flat."
396   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 15, 11:35pm  

MAGA_BOMBER says
Try talking that way to someone related to your employment.

BOOM

You have no worry about that particular problem?

BOOM



So what are you saying, in a democracy everybody should only talk like their boss is around?

Is that the ACLU's new stance on Free Speech: you can only talk as if you're at work on the boss' time and dime?

Sounds scary.
397   Patrick   2019 Mar 15, 11:50pm  

MisterLearnToCode says
We can't ban offensive speech because then we'd be at the mercy of the most easily offended; the lowest common denominator, and wouldn't be able to discuss jack shit.


Yes, exactly!
398   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 16, 8:20am  

MAGA_BOMBER says
offending is no great accomplishment, Offensive speech isolates people and undermines relationships permanently because all relationships are based on respect.


No one expects everything we say to be an accomplishment. Anything and everything is offensive, restricting speech based on how it offends someone is tyranny.
399   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 16, 11:03am  

Right, so if you say "Men and Women are fundamentally different." or "Humans have only has two sexes", there are a substantial number of people who claim that is Hate Speech.

This is why studies that showed that there were differences between boys and girls during gestation in the womb when culture cannot be a factor, they had to put in all kinds of soothing words and caveats and "please don't hit me" type language when they released it.
400   Patrick   2019 Mar 16, 11:08am  

Yes, and even worse than that, actual scientific research has been excised from journals because some found objective facts to be offensive.

For example, the research paper showing greater male variability across most species.

https://quillette.com/2018/09/07/academic-activists-send-a-published-paper-down-the-memory-hole/

First, the National Science Foundation wrote to Sergei requesting that acknowledgment of NSF funding be removed from our paper with immediate effect. I was astonished. I had never before heard of the NSF requesting removal of acknowledgement of funding for any reason. On the contrary, they are usually delighted to have public recognition of their support for science. ...

ut, that same day, the Mathematical Intelligencer’s editor-in-chief Marjorie Senechal notified us that, with “deep regret,” she was rescinding her previous acceptance of our paper. “Several colleagues,” she wrote, had warned her that publication would provoke “extremely strong reactions” and there existed a “very real possibility that the right-wing media may pick this up and hype it internationally.” For the second time in a single day I was left flabbergasted. Working mathematicians are usually thrilled if even five people in the world read our latest article. Now some progressive faction was worried that a fairly straightforward logical argument about male variability might encourage the conservative press to actually read and cite a science paper?
401   AD   2019 Mar 16, 11:24am  

MisterLearnToCode says
This is why studies that showed that there were differences between boys and girls during gestation in the womb when culture cannot be a factor, they had to put in all kinds of soothing words and caveats and "please don't hit me" type language when they released it.


402   rocketjoe79   2019 Mar 19, 11:01pm  

It's the same regarding IQ testing. I keep reminding people that 49% are below average, but no one believes me....
403   MrMagic   2019 Mar 25, 1:47pm  

antiforum
404   MrMagic   2019 Mar 26, 9:25pm  

antiforum
405   Goran_K   2019 Apr 11, 8:30am  

@Patrick, is there a way to submit entire threads into the queue? Right now, HEYYOU is on a spamming rage, perhaps there should be a way to prevent someone like him from just spamming threads?
406   Patrick   2019 Apr 11, 10:22am  

Yes, the only rule is no personal comments. Discuss ideas, not the other users.

OK, I do have a few other rules like not insulting the site itself (just leave if you don't like it), not posting commercial spam, and not breaking any laws.
407   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Apr 11, 3:32pm  

Elgatouno says


Please keep your fantasies and fetishes out of this Elgatouno
408   Patrick   2019 Apr 11, 5:44pm  

HEYYOU says
Bet I couldn't say this on any other site,maybe once before being banned.


I'll take that as a compliment.
410   Patrick   2019 Apr 11, 6:07pm  

How can anyone still believe the Russia bullshit after it was so thoroughly discredited after more than two years of the most fanatical and partisan investigation in history?

It's just hate. And that's sad. Hate is suffering for the hater.

Give up hate, live happily.
411   Patrick   2019 Apr 11, 6:11pm  

Goran_K says
perhaps there should be a way to prevent someone like him from just spamming threads?


I was in fact thinking of limiting people to two or three comments in a thread in a row.

I don't want anyone to be able to drown out anyone else through excessive commenting.
412   Bd6r   2019 Apr 11, 6:24pm  

Patrick says
How can anyone still believe the Russia bullshit after it was so thoroughly discredited after more than two years of the most fanatical and partisan investigation in history?

Because they suffer from clinical TDS where FACTS! do not matter. It does not matter also that Russian puppet Trump killed 200-300 Russians in Syria, which is the largest number of Russian troops killed by Americans in one engagement ever, and it does not matter that Obama never challenged Russians in Syria.

And the sad part is that one can find a lot of stuff to criticize Trump, but it is easier not to think so lets trot out things that are false.
413   Patrick   2019 Apr 11, 9:28pm  

I wonder how much the media is to blame for the epidemic of TDS.

Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.
414   Bd6r   2019 Apr 12, 8:29am  

Patrick says
Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.

And it is counterproductive even from the point of TDS sufferers (other than them being able to achieve mental orgasms from bashing t-RUMP). Trump has a lot to be criticized about but they focus on emotionally satisfying issues that are either false or immaterial, thus destroying their and MSM already nonexistent credibility.
I blame our education system, where FACTS ARE VIOLENCE AND LOGIC IS WHITE HETERO-PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION.
415   Patrick   2019 Apr 12, 8:40am  

achieve mental orgasms from bashing t-RUMP


Lol, that is the perfect way to put it.
416   anonEmous   2019 Apr 25, 6:55pm  

spam
417   newhealthera   2019 May 1, 12:10pm  

spam
418   percepat   2019 May 3, 7:09pm  

spam
419   BayArea   2019 May 17, 5:02am  

Patrick says
I wonder how much the media is to blame for the epidemic of TDS.

Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.


@Patrick - you mentioned in a recent thread that generations will repeat the same mistakes over and over. Young people will always be impressionable.

Because of this, the mainstream media can be dangerous when they predominantly report from an angle.

As people get older, wiser, and more experienced, it’s not surprising that the political trend goes from democrat to republican. And what can be more revealing? As people get older, wiser, and more experienced, they gravitate towards one a particular side of the political spectrum. How reassuring is that democrats?

“If you are young and conservative, you have no heart. If you are old and liberal, you have no brain”

Perhaps one of Donald’s greatest accomplishments during his presidency is exposing the mainstream media.
420   Patrick   2019 May 17, 7:09am  

Yes, the old media of newspapers and TV has consistently lied about Trump, which should be clear to everyone by now, especially after the Russia hoax. They are completely dead as a source of objective news.

Their revenue was almost completely shifted to Google and Facebook, which are unfortunately also dedicated to suppressing news they don't like. Their censorship has really ramped up lately, no doubt because of the 2020 election.

421   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 May 17, 7:17am  

When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...

www.youtube.com/embed/kgIRClKD4RI
422   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 May 17, 8:37am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...


Imagine if they heard "Money for Nuthin'"

Not just the premise, but the lyrics... that faggot's got his own jet airplane...
423   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 May 17, 8:42am  

d6rB says
I blame our education system, where FACTS ARE VIOLENCE AND LOGIC IS WHITE HETERO-PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION.


"Objectivity is male subjectivity"
424   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 May 17, 9:10am  

HonkpilledMaster says
"Objectivity is male subjectivity"


Objectivity is a social construct lol
425   HeadSet   2019 May 17, 10:46am  

FortWayneIndiana says
HonkpilledMaster says
"Objectivity is male subjectivity"


Objectivity is a social construct lol


Just like math.
426   Marie   2019 May 21, 8:13pm  

spam
427   marcus   2019 May 21, 9:30pm  

Patrick says
How can anyone still believe the Russia bullshit after it was so thoroughly discredited after more than two years of the most fanatical and partisan investigation in history?


It didn't feel fanatical or partisan to me. I guess some of the commentary about it was partisan. And wile I thought it might implicate Trump, I honestly thought and I believe most people thought that they probably would not find reason to indict Trump. So it was mostly ended up being what people thought all along.

THe surprise was that he probably did obstruct justice, but just not enough to indict a sitting President.

I don't see how this is some major vindication for Trump. Right wingers liketo say he's the most investigated President ever ? Really. I don't know.

He is certainly the least transparent President ever, about his finances, his taxes and his business dealings.

WE certainly have never had a President that constantly acted as if they have everything to hide as much a Trump does.
428   WookieMan   2019 May 22, 3:48am  

marcus says
He is certainly the least transparent President ever, about his finances, his taxes and his business dealings.


What is the concern with his business dealings? If he makes money in Russia, what's the big deal? He'd be extracting some money from Russia and bringing it here. Is that good for Russia? And isn't this what the Democrats wanted in the first place? A global economy.

Obama even gave up on manufacturing jobs here and basically understood we're a global economy now. And don't think for a second that no democrat (or other Republican) isn't making money in Russia in some way shape or form. Was Obama a traitor for just giving up on manufacturing and being happy we're sending China tons of money to make our products?

There's so much faux outrage over something that has been pushed by both parties. If you got his taxes and saw he made money in Russia, what would you even say to that? Or anywhere for that matter? Outside of Iran and North Korea you've got money invested somehow in another country that you probably don't like through a pension or 401k fund. So make sure to beat yourself up at the end of the day you treasonous traitor (being sarcastic, not actually call you that).
429   Expat01   2019 May 22, 5:18am  

personal
430   WookieMan   2019 May 22, 6:44am  

Expat01 says
As for Russian interference, this is undisputed.


Who is claiming Russia did NOT try to influence the election? We do it all the time all over the world. All countries do. Thought this was common knowledge.

Expat01 says
Mueller's report said that Trump's staff were too incompetent to carry out the collusion and a few key players refused.


Cool, so they didn't collude. Next....
431   Ceffer   2019 May 22, 12:39pm  

I will forever be indebted to Trump for finally, inexorably tossing up the skirts of the Globalists, exposing the carrion press for what it really is, and revealing the country destroying corruption of the Democratic Party and it's sock puppets. I don't care if he is a self aggrandizing lout or whatever, he has performed a service, unconsciously or not, of rolling out the tide of the swamp to reveal all the garbage and feces. Even if one were to argue he is part of it, it wouldn't have become so vividly clear if he hadn't been elected.

I wouldn't trust the NYT, CNN or WAPO etc. etc. with an egg boiling recipe.

It does mean that getting information about the world and history is a much more laborious, painstaking process and requires layers of information cross checking and elimination. It's out there, it just takes a lot more work.

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