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Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept.
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2015 Mar 3, 3:50pm 43,134 views 80 comments
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lostand confused
2015 Mar 3, 4:11pm
Well, now they found those emails of Lois Lerner the IRS lady, I guess she was just being extra careful.
turtledove
2015 Mar 3, 4:14pm
The entire car trip from San Diego back up to OC I'm thinking you guys were having a discussion about this.
We were...
I can't find it. When I click on it, I get a message that there's no such thread... I did look before I posted.
turtledove
2015 Mar 3, 4:17pm
Good question for security experts. Which is easier to hack (or use connections to access) ? A government, state department account ? Or a private email account, through the of the more secure ISPs ? If she was smart enough to use a private email account, to make it harder for insiders to spy on her, she was probably also smart enough to not use email for truly private or highly sensitive communications.
Humanity, she doesn't get to make such decisions. If everyone thought like this we'd plunge into chaos.
MisdemeanorRebel
2015 Mar 3, 6:09pm
Humanity, she doesn't get to make such decisions. If everyone thought like this we'd plunge into chaos.
Exactly. Imagine if Spies or Generals preferred to use private emails instead of their assigned email.
Ceffer
2015 Mar 3, 6:21pm
She probably spent so much time e-chortling about how she shlonged Bubba with Steely Dan she needed a tad of privacy.
MisdemeanorRebel
2015 Mar 3, 6:33pm
she shlonged Bubba with Steely Dan
Electrical banana, it's gonna be the very next phase.
Thank you for the 'Naked Lunch' allusion.
Tasty kid, real Tasty....
turtledove
2015 Mar 3, 7:28pm
Edit: Patrick's html editor doesn't like the "!" sign in the repost of the thread... Try this...
http://patrick.net/?p=1278532
Got it. But that wasn't really a discussion of the issue at hand. It quickly went off on a tangent.
The question is... Was she within the law to send these emails through her own private channels? Where are the excuses from the left? Humanity is the only one with the balls to try and offer the excuse that she was attempting to provide greater email security. (Don't let it be said, Ms. Hillary, that we aren't grateful that you have our country's security interests at the forefront... guiding your every email...)
Wait, my fingers are laughing....
Y
2015 Mar 3, 7:35pm
well billy sent his emails through monikas private channels...
waats good fore de goose eez good fore de gander...
The question is... Was she within the law to send these emails through her own private channels?
Strategist
2015 Mar 3, 7:38pm
The question is... Was she within the law to send these emails through her own private channels? Where are the excuses from the left? Humanity is the only one with the balls to try and offer the excuse that she was attempting to provide greater email security. (Don't let it be said, Ms. Hillary, that we aren't grateful that you have our country's security interests at the forefront... guiding your every email...)
Wait, my fingers are laughing....
The excuse will be.....
1. She thought that e-mail address was already approved by the govt.
2. She just got mixed up.
3. Republicans are making a fuss over nothing.
4. It wasn't her fault. Her staff screwed up.
Y
2015 Mar 3, 7:44pm
5. she thought the i-phone servers were government run.
The excuse will be.....
1. She thought that e-mail address was already approved by the govt.
2. She just got mixed up.
3. Republicans are making a fuss over nothing.
4. It wasn't her fault. Her staff screwed up.
Strategist
2015 Mar 3, 7:48pm
5. she thought the i-phone servers were government run.
The excuse will be.....
1. She thought that e-mail address was already approved by the govt.
2. She just got mixed up.
3. Republicans are making a fuss over nothing.
4. It wasn't her fault. Her staff screwed up.
Hey, I just remembered. The NSA spies on all e-mails, which is why we call them every time we forget the password. They already know everything she did.
Vicente
2015 Mar 3, 7:54pm
What's the big deal? Most politicians use private email addy for some of their business.
I worked in Georgia State Capitol offices once. It was well known that there were rogue Wifi routers setup, specifically to service each office's various unofficial email access.
Remember when Gov. Palin did it? Or Mittens? Right.
I'd be surprised if there are any politicans who DON'T do this.
I have 6 email accounts myself.
curious2
2015 Mar 3, 7:55pm
“While agency employees should not generally use personal email accounts to conduct official agency business , there may be times when agencies authorize the use of personal email accounts, such as in emergency situations when federal accounts are not accessible or when an employee is initially contacted through a personal account. In these situations, agency employees must ensure that all federal records sent or received on personal email systems are captured and managed in accordance with agency recordkeeping practices .â€"
If the reports are true, then I wonder how did the culture of the Department and the administration enable this result? I mean, in 4 years, did nobody mention this issue?
Perhaps thanks to Pfc Manning and Edward Snowden, HC can argue that all her e-mails have already been published by Wikileaks and/or safely archived by the NSA.
marcus
2015 Mar 3, 9:28pm
Humanity, she doesn't get to make such decisions. If everyone thought like this we'd plunge into chaos.
Yes she does. Until someone tells her that she has to do otherwise.
But I do understand that you're a republican, and you folks get really excited about any chance to nail democrats for anything.
I'd probably feel the same way if half the people in my party were retarded, and the other half were either evil scumbags carrying water for the 1% or perverts that spend all their time preaching about morality.
marcus
2015 Mar 3, 9:38pm
offer the excuse that she was attempting to provide greater email security.
I don't know whether it was greater security from outsiders. But it would have to be greater security from insiders.
I don't think any of us know much about the types of security precautions that today's government officials take these days with truly private communications. But I think it's safe to say that truly top secret sensitive information would not be sent by email whether it was from a state department email account or a private ISP account.
This is another one of those stupid republican witch hunts. And you're falling for it.
IT will get traction on Fox. Maybe even elsewhere. There is one aspect to it that it has in common with the whole Bengazi bullshit. And that is that she can't really talk about the state of the art in diplomatic communication of sensitive information any more than she could talk in details about what happened in Bengazi (relative to the CIA presence etc.)
Yeah. playing gotcha is such fun for the dirtbags of the political world. I guess maybe they are still all butthurt about watergate.
Did she do something illegal?
Get back to me when charges are filed. OH,WAIT! All members of the Big Club have immunity as in bush & cheney committing war crimes.
Y
2015 Mar 4, 5:46am
http://www.youtube.com/embed/_ZfrLTD1PZ0
Just what is it with these clintons???
"What difference, at this point, does it make"
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This is another one of those stupid republican witch hunts. And you're falling for it.
It's not a witch hunt. The federal records act is clear. Hillary broke the law unless she can prove every single email was saved at the agency in accordance with federal law. There is no room for interpretation.
What's the big deal? Most politicians use private email addy for some of their business.
I worked in Georgia State Capitol offices once. It was well known that there were rogue Wifi routers setup, specifically to service each office's various unofficial email access.
Remember when Gov. Palin did it? Or Mittens? Right.
I'd be surprised if there are any politicans who DON'T do this.
I have 6 email accounts myself.
Gov Palin, mittens, and you aren't federal employees who are bound by federal law.
marcus
2015 Mar 4, 6:14am
It's not a witch hunt. The federal records act is clear. Hillary broke the law
Before you get too excited about this, you might want to realize that the law you're talking about went in to effect way after she left the state department.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.htmlbob2356 says
lostand confused
2015 Mar 4, 6:41am
Maybe Hillary is an immense hirsute lesbian and didn't want to be caught? She could have been sending love notes to Rosie O'Donnell ??
Tenpoundbass
2015 Mar 4, 9:05am
We were...
I can't find it. When I click on it, I get a message that there's no such thread... I did look before I posted.
What's up with that?
Patrick
2015 Mar 4, 9:07am
I can't find it. When I click on it, I get a message that there's no such thread... I did look before I posted.
oh crap, that is definitely a bug. sorry, will fix today.
@patrick note to self: fix this
I think the bigger scandal is that Hillary literally accepted 10's of millions in donations to her foundation from foreign governments like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait,,,,,while serving as Secretary of State.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/03/03/390504044/clinton-foundation-funding-woes-touch-hillary-too
She was flying around the world on tax-payer funded jets and shaking down foreign rulers to donate to her foundation........all the while having her emails and communication routed through her own server at her house.
Yah - nothing fishy at all! Rules and laws are for the little people.
Even without all of these scandals, can anyone name a single accomplishment Hillary achieved while serving as Secretary of State? Libya? Pulling all troops out of Iraq? Russia/Ukraine? Israeli/Palestinian peace process? China? North Korea? Yemen? Iran?
This would be equivalent to say, allowing the tyrants of the world an open book to how to create havoc on the world due to understand the thoughts and movements of the agency designed to maintain global diplomacy.
This is beyond high treason - open emails if read by Putin, Ping, give a schematic towards undermining the US in every way!
turtledove
2015 Mar 4, 3:34pm
There is just something very dishonest about this couple. Yes, there are other dishonest politicians out there, too... but this pair seems to be especially allergic to honestly. They epitomize all the worst qualities of lawyers. The way they like to play word games and demonstrate how they can outsmart you and the system. They don't even pretend. Naked hubris, short and simple.
HydroCabron
2015 Mar 4, 4:02pm
There is just something very dishonest about this couple.
I always enjoy the part where libertoonian dipshits tut-tut harder over Democrat swine than Republican swine.
There are so few actual libertarians. Maybe 10% of those calling themselves such really hew to the tenets. The rest are just pseudo-intellectual parrots repeating the Republican talking points du jour, while adopting a fashionable label.
"Something very dishonest ... especially allergic ... play word games ... pretend they can outsmart you (i.e. "think they're better'n me) ... Naked hubris."
You are one dim bulb.
1993 called - they want their cliches back.
Even without all of these scandals, can anyone name a single accomplishment Hillary achieved while serving as Secretary of State?
Can you name 4 big accomplishments of secretaries of state in the past 60 years ?
By definition their accomplishments (often diplomacy) aren't big news. Improving relations with other governments. Avoiding big problems. Advising the President regarding tricky situations. Representing our government in high level, important, international and yet not super newsworthy meetings.
Hillary actually was a very successful secretary of state. That's the reason for the big Benghazi push and it's also the reason for this story. Anything to tarnish her image.
They don't even pretend. Naked hubris, short and simple.
Yeah. With their level of transparency, they haven't even hardly earned the name scumbag.
It's much better when politicians act holier than thou, while secretly molesting children, or funding off shore accounts with bribes. As
long as they appear honest and clean, and maybe even a little simple minded, that's what matters the most.
I like it when they seem super honest, but also less intelligent than I am. When they're clearly more intelligent than I, it makes me really nervous.
indigenous
2015 Mar 4, 6:13pm
There is just
somethingeverything very dishonest about this couple. Yes, there are other dishonest politicians out there, too... but this pair seems to be especially allergic to honestly. They epitomize all the worst qualities of lawyers. The way they like to play word games and demonstrate how they can outsmart you and the system. They don't even pretend. Naked hubris, short and simple.
Fixed it for you, they are a textbook example of sociopaths and the treason that wreaks from them is beyond maddening.
turtledove
2015 Mar 4, 6:24pm
I like it when they seem super honest, but also less intelligent than I am. When they're clearly more intelligent than I, it makes me really nervous.
More intelligent than you? Is that possible?
I don't think that they are more intelligent. They are clever. They are good at finding little loopholes that enable them to circumvent the law. They revel in word games (remember, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..." Everyone else understood the spirit of the question... But not slick Willy. He was too busy playing word games and figuring out how he could technically be right while still DOING wrong.)
I think it's a very sad state when people who devote their cleverness to skirting the law are lauded as "intelligent." You are a smart guy, Humanity. Don't you find it a little insulting that they are constantly trying to out-clever you by diverting your attention to some insignificant detail rather than the matter at hand? Perhaps you can just sit back and say, "well played." But, YOU aren't supposed to be the enemy that they are outsmarting!!!!!!
turtledove
2015 Mar 4, 6:38pm
Hillary actually was a very successful secretary of state.
Why, because YOU said so.... Well, I guess that settles it!!!
I hear she's got the global warming scientists working up some scientific models that prove her success.
MisdemeanorRebel
2015 Mar 4, 6:41pm
and shaking down foreign rulers to donate to her foundation
She didn't shakedown. She delivered the goods and got her payment :)
Patrick
2015 Mar 4, 6:44pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
When Rosie O'Donnell is sitting on your face, do you really need email to communicate?
ah, refreshing! we're so glad you're back, apocalypsefuck.
indigenous
2015 Mar 4, 6:51pm
The thing that really sucks is that Buffet and a few others say she is a shoe in. The zombies have officially taken over...
marcus
2015 Mar 4, 7:11pm
Hillary actually was a very successful secretary of state.
Why, because YOU said so.... Well, I guess that settles it!!!
I've heard both republican and democrat pundits complimenting her term as secretary of state. Then there's also polling data.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/17/wsjnbc-poll-hillary-clinton-exits-with-69-approval-rating/
Then I guess the WSJ is to liberal for you to pay any attention to it.
An eye-popping 69% of Americans approve of the job she has done as the country’s top diplomat, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, with a scant 25% disapproving of her performance.
Pretty impressive, considering the fact that about 35% (or maybe 40%)of the electorate hate her.
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WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.
Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.
It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013.
Her expansive use of the private account was alarming to current and former National Archives and Records Administration officials and government watchdogs, who called it a serious breach.
“It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business,†said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.
A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Nick Merrill, defended her use of the personal email account and said she has been complying with the “letter and spirit of the rules.â€
Under federal law, however, letters and emails written and received by federal officials, such as the secretary of state, are considered government records and are supposed to be retained so that congressional committees, historians and members of the news media can find them. There are exceptions to the law for certain classified and sensitive materials.
Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business. But her exclusive use of her private email, for all of her work, appears unusual, Mr. Baron said. The use of private email accounts is supposed to be limited to emergencies, experts said, such as when an agency’s computer server is not working.
“I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a personal email account for the transaction of government business,†said Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0