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curious2 says

Also, note the date of the poll, April 2010, right after Obamneycare got enacted. At that time, the Tea Party had strong libertarian support. Later, the Tea Party got hijacked by religious fanatics, who imposed their pseudo-biblical agenda. Libertarians left and Bible bashers took over; the Tea Party fell from the party of Ron Paul (educated and often wealthy) to the party of Michele Bachmann (ignorant white trash seeking somebody they can look down on).

Love it!

The Tea Party from 2010 was OK, but now it is all crazy. Wasn't it the 2010 Tea Party that all the Progs and Libs in the Media were screaming were a bunch of dangerous racist gun nuts?

You really think the Libertarians are going to pull the lever for Hillary or Bernie?

curious2 says

Also, note the date of the poll, April 2010, right after Obamneycare got enacted. At that time, the Tea Party had strong libertarian support. Later, the Tea Party got hijacked by religious fanatics, who imposed their pseudo-biblical agenda.

Good point. I missed that. I'm slipping.

socal2 says

The Tea Party from 2010 was OK, but now it is all crazy. Wasn't it the 2010 Tea Party that all the Progs and Libs in the Media were screaming were a bunch of dangerous racist gun nuts?

You really think the Libertarians are going to pull the lever for Hillary or Bernie?

The Tea Party used to be Ron Paul's movement until it was hijacked by Fox News. Ron Paul, you'll remember, is the person who got booed at the Republican debate because he said that terrorism is the result of U.S. foreign policy.

During the 2008 primaries, entire boxes of ballots for Ron Paul were "misplaced" and not found until a woman, who voted for Ron Paul, went public after the district she voted in reported ZERO votes for Ron Paul. Oh, I bet a lot of those boxes were misplaced in other districts as well.

So no, the Ron Paul Tea Party was nothing like the Fox News Tea Party. The Republican establishment and rank-and-file loathed Ron Paul even more than Obama and Clinton put together. He would slaughter the sacred cow of conservatives, warfare spending. He wanted to audit the fed and Fort Knox. He wanted to let the banks fail. He wanted to stop the money printing press, taking away a huge revenue stream for the major banks, a stream that is supplied with tax payer dollars. The people who supported Ron Paul want nothing to do with today's Tea Party.

Finally, this is another example cherry picking data points.

Dan8267 says

I'm slipping

Your awareness is getting better.

Now if only you could admit your mistakes.

they're so rare...

yet surprisingly they appear in every one of your posts...

Dan8267 says

yet surprisingly they appear in every one of your posts...

Yes I'm sure you believe that...

What can I say, I'm a sucker for empirical evidence...

Dan8267 says

What can I say, I'm a sucker for empirical evidence...

An apparency can be deceiving...

in other words, it's not a lie if you believe it...

socal2 says

You really think the Libertarians are going to pull the lever for Hillary or Bernie?

And which one of these would a Libertarian pull the lever for?
• Skip Andrews
• Michael Bickelmeyer
• Kerry Bowers
• Jeb Bush
• Ben Carson
• Dale Christensen
• Chris Christie
• Ted Cruz
• John Dummett, Jr.
• Bob Ehrlich
• Mark Everson
• Carly Fiorina
• Jim Gilmore
• Lindsey Graham
• Chris Hill
• Mike Hucksterbee
• Bobby Jindal
• John Kasich
• Peter King
• Michael Kinlaw
• Dennis Michael Lynch
• George Pataki
• Ru Paul
• Rick Perry
• Michael Petyo
• Marco Rubio
• Brian Russell
• Rick Santorum
• Rick Snyder
• Donald Trump
• Scott Walker

Dan8267 says

in other words, it's not a lie if you believe it...

I'm sure you believe that...

I'm sure I don't and that you do...

Dan8267 says

I'm sure I don't and that you do...

below the level of cognisance is ignorance masquerading as assuredness

Isn't that the motto of Fox News?

Dan8267 says

Isn't that the motto of Fox News?

I don't know I don't watch Fox news, I heard it on NPR

indigenous says

I don't know I don't watch Fox news, I heard it on NPR

Necrophiliac Pedophile Republicans is a popular show with conservatives.

Yes you don't want to go head to head matching with a repository of useless information like "Clickbait", "woot" and "WTF"

It's like modern liberal tired of losing debates based on well rounded inherited common knowledge, had to inject every single word they've lost scrabble on, into the English Dictionary. The English Dictionary has become a pop culture rag companion piece, and nothing more.

They are laughing at Obama. Even ISIS has his number.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/half-of-fox-news-viewers-are-68-and-older/283385/

Fox is gonna go out as a simple matter of time. The business model is on the deathbed. The sand in the hourglass is nearing the end of reserves. Before it runs out, will the viewers realize that they are committing the sin of herd mentality while they mistakenly believe themselves to be opponents of "mainstream media"?

finehoe says

And which one of these would a Libertarian pull the lever for?

Glibertopians will pull the lever for any GOP candidate, that is all that matters.
It's just a flavor of Fox News watcher and GOP voter that also worships Ayn Rand.

When not watching Fox News, it's good to reinforce with Scripture just how EXCEPTIONAL
you are despite the parasites holding you back. Follow with a round of fantasy how you'll
SHOW those parasites by "going Galt".

SoftShell says

No, I realized he was mocking me and I flipped his "mock" into a salient talking point showing how libbys turn a simple word such as "is" into some frankensteinian fuckfest.

But of course you were too stupid to realize this.

Exactly when did it become OK to take the behavior of one person and generalize that everyone of the same political persuasion behaves the same way?

Can I group all conservatives as deviant homosexuals since Larry Craig was one? Or pedophiles like Strom Thurmond?

November 10, 2007
http://patrick.net/about.php?user_ID=1641

Sorry but the "hour:minute:second" information is not available, so I can't be "exact"... *

tatupu70 says

Exactly when did it become OK to take the behavior of one person and generalize that everyone of the same political persuasion behaves the same way?

god damn wogster...i must have hit i nerve with you for you to log into all 5 of your accounts and dislike me!!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0x9ASOPEBOU

oh..i forgot...
... *
( for your 4th acct, SlutBitchHoe )

Dan8267 says

The problem with that is that corporations do infringe upon the freedoms and opportunities of a multitude of individuals when the corporations are allowed to do what they want. Corporations want to

1. Eliminate competition.

2. Pull up the ladder behind them so no future competition will exist.

3. Monopolize resources and markets.

4. Eliminate the bargaining power of labor effectively turning them into economic slaves.

None of these things are compatible with libertarian philosophy, yet libertarians always are much more vocal and active in "economic freedoms" than for social freedoms. And i quote economic freedoms because giving the powerful freedom takes away freedom from the general public.

These are legitimate issues, however going by the useful 80-20 rule corporations realize those wants mostly with the help of government and regulations, not by themselves. It is a rare exceptional case that a company can achieve domination without government laws/rules and crony policies. Remember people bitching about Microsoft having a monopoly of total domination? Well turned out that monopoly wasn't, say hello to RedHat and Apple. Same goes for 2008. The almighty and dominating TBTFs were on the brink of finally getting out of the way for a new breed of smaller and smarter investment banks, but the government and the Fed basically restored their gigantic monopoly in an unprecedented heist. Look at the medical sector. You can get a highest-tech 16-64 slices MRI of your organs in India for $250, here you may easily incur a 10000% markup for the same procedure. Same goes for drug prices. Look at the housing sector, nearly every program (from the Fed buying MBS plus ZIRP via section 8 through rent control) is driving the price only one way, and that is up. I think management of land and natural resources are legitimate concerns and may eventually lead to a modified libertarian approach, but at the moment these concerns are absolutely insignificant (given the current worldwide population number) compared to the distortions created by governments and central banks, benefiting mostly the uber-wealthy while creating more dependents and decimating the middle-class.

Inflation is a general increase in the money supply.[1][2]
One of the effects, that may accompany inflation (and is sometimes confused for it) is a rise in prices called price inflation. A similar, but opposite effect in kind is deflation.

http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation

I know softshell is trolling, but here's the full definition for Miriam Webster of siege. Looks like he conveniently left off the 2nd definition.

Dictionary

siege

noun \ˈsēj also ˈsēzh\

: a situation in which soldiers or police officers surround a city, building, etc., in order to try to take control of it

: a serious and lasting attack of something

so...what's wrong with convenience?? Everyone should have a little sometimes... *

tatupu70 says

Looks like he conveniently left off the 2nd definition.

socal2 says

Regardless, it is mathematically impossible to let people retire in their mid 50's at 90%+ of their final pay FOR LIFE with our demographics. The automakers in Detroit found that out the hard way.

Some people can't even make a point without lying. THe only people who retire in their mid fifties with a high percentage of their salary are police and firemen. Probably something like 10% of govt workers who receive part of their compensation in the form of a pension, are in this category of "safety workers" that can retire so early. I guess the military get a similar deal. Funny, I don't hear you complaining about them.

If you have to lie in such an over the top way to make your point, it means you don't actually have a point.

By the way, nobody was stopping you from becoming a cop if you think it's such a wonderful deal.

THe other thing that I've explained over and over to you guys, is that most govt workers contribute to their pensions out of their pay. Then their employers and the state or fed govt kick in another 10K or whatever, per year. It's a form of compensation, that's there in part because the people are committing themselves to a service job, that has a limited upside. It's only in the past 2 or 3 decades when the private sector has lost a lot of it's potential, that so many now complain about those government workers taking home the big bucks.

marcus says

THe only people who retire in their mid fifties with a high percentage of their salary are police and firemen.

I think I'm one of Marcuse's 41 ignores, but I believe that is at least partially true for all Calif employees?

Funny story Moon Beam has cunningly deferred the maintenance on the bridges to where 80% of the subpar bridges in the US are in Calif. This so Moon Beam can finance public pensions.

Another idiot, who can't make a point without lying. California's infrastructure was suffering from seriously deferred maintenance before Brown started as Governor. He's basically a pragmatic problem solver with a democratic legislature to back him up, unlike the starve the beast inneffective morons that preceded him.

This is from 2010, before Brown came back to govern California again.

http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-state-road-systems-2010-7#7-hawaii-4

marcus says

California's infrastructure was suffering from seriously deferred maintenance before Brown started as Governor.

Tom Woods indicated the other day that he had done the deferring, apparently not true.

marcus says

He's basically a pragmatic problem solver with a democratic legislature to back him up, unlike the starve the beast inneffective morons that preceded him.

Seems to me the core problem is the collective bargaining that Moon Beam signed into law in the early 70s

Tom Woods is a crank who believes the Dark Ages were a time of great learning and achievement, among many other stupid things.

thunderlips11 says

Tom Woods is a crank who believes the Dark Ages were a time of great learning and achievement, among many other stupid things.

A Harvard grad with a doctorate from Columbia, I don't think so.

thunderlips11 says

A Harvard grad with a doctorate from Columbia, I don't think so.

A Conservative Catholic with an axe to grind, another Libertarian/Tory who loves the Feudal Era of "Golden Liberty".

And things that our government has actual control of: Education, Business Climate, Municipal Finances, Infrastructure, Income inequality.......

California ranks dead last or near the bottom.

Great job Progs!

socal2 says

Conservatives like me joke with our friends how we have to pay California's dysfunction tax to live in a geographic paradise.

So when are all the conservatives going to take over Sacramento and run the liberal vote out of SF and LA and finally fix all our dysfunction?