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The Dangerous Red State Model


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2015 Jun 4, 7:25pm   55,492 views  108 comments

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“My focus is to create a red-state model that allows the Republican ticket to say, ‘See, we’ve got a different way, and it works,’ ” Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback said in 2013.

Brownback was talking about the massive supply-side tax cuts at the center of his policy agenda, which he had promised would provide “a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy.” Instead, it led to a deep hole in the state budget, a downgrade in the state’s credit rating and weak economic growth compared with neighboring states. As top income earners and business owners pocketed their tax cuts, Kansas’s poverty rate went up.

The failure of Brownback’s plan has made headlines not only because of its consequences in Kansas but also because of its potential impact on national politics. Brownback explicitly intended his plan to inform the policy debate in 2016 and beyond, but his gambit didn’t work as planned. As The Post’s editorial board wrote last year, “Mr. Brownback’s Kansas trial is rapidly becoming a cautionary tale for conservative governors elsewhere who have blithely peddled the theology of tax cuts as a painless panacea for sluggish growth.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-red-state-model/2015/06/02/c9b76954-0890-11e5-9e39-0db921c47b93_story.html

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80   indigenous   2015 Jun 8, 11:29am  

And your stating that it was world wide is not an answer, but you're too stupid to realize that.

81   indigenous   2015 Jun 8, 11:39am  

So you are quitting, fair enough.

But you have not answered the question.

82   tatupu70   2015 Jun 8, 12:03pm  

indigenous says

But you have not answered the question

Nope--he answered it. You may not agree or even understand, but he definitely answered it.

83   HydroCabron   2015 Jun 8, 12:06pm  

indigenous says

Is not.

Wow.

Uhh, "Is too?"

84   HydroCabron   2015 Jun 8, 12:30pm  

indigenous says

Excellent 8 yr later

I was thinking of pointing out the month and year of Franklin Roosevelt's inauguration, but why bother?

We're being hornswoggled. At this point, given what we know of your "intellect", discussing anything with you is like addressing a cinder block wall.

85   indigenous   2015 Jun 8, 1:07pm  

You mutts are all conjecture all the time.

You completely ignore how heinous FDR was.

IOW you mainline the Kool-aid.

86   bob2356   2015 Jun 8, 3:14pm  

indigenous says

You mutts are all conjecture all the time.

You completely ignore how heinous FDR was.

IOW you mainline the Kool-aid.

Wow, mutts and kool-aid all in one post. The sign of an intellectual giant. This comment means that indigenous has now won the debate and kept his record perfect for people who weren't aware of the overarching implications of mutts and kool-aid.

87   indigenous   2015 Jun 8, 3:36pm  

bob2356 says

Wow, mutts and kool-aid all in one post. The sign of an intellectual giant. This comment means that indigenous has now won the debate and kept his record perfect for people who weren't aware of the overarching implications of mutts and kool-aid.

IOW bob is out of arguments and is left with only ad hominem, gees I thought you were a little above Woggy, my mistake.

88   indigenous   2015 Jun 8, 3:37pm  

You mutts need to learn a modicum of real economics, not the Keynesian crap.

89   bob2356   2015 Jun 10, 6:05am  

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Wow, mutts and kool-aid all in one post. The sign of an intellectual giant. This comment means that indigenous has now won the debate and kept his record perfect for people who weren't aware of the overarching implications of mutts and kool-aid.

IOW bob is out of arguments and is left with only ad hominem, gees I thought you were a little above Woggy, my mistake.

You posted fdr was bad because I say so, mutts, and kool aid as your contribution to raising of the intellectual level of the discussion after having had every one of your assertions thoroughly debunked. I only pointed out the incongruity of it. Try again.

I have to say I'm always amazed that you come back time and time again with fdr caused the depression when the depression was 4 years old when he was elected. Are you that completely and totally indoctrinated or can you just not read a calendar?

90   zzyzzx   2015 Jun 10, 7:47am  

Let's not forget about the dangerous Blue State model that's also bankrupting Puerto Rico.

91   HydroCabron   2015 Jun 10, 8:24am  

anonymous says

The Chamber’s message also indicated the organization opposes the food tax cut.

Dickensian evil.

At least they didn't put emails on a private server

92   indigenous   2015 Jun 10, 9:05am  

Splain this then:

93   indigenous   2015 Jun 10, 9:18am  

Why it too so long to get unemployment below 10%. And why it took a war to do it. And why the only reason it stayed down was a neutering of his policies. The best thing FDR did for the US was to die.

94   HydroCabron   2015 Jun 10, 10:08am  

Indeed, 1933-2015 is the grimmest period in the history of any nation. When I think of the stagnation - the empty grocery store shelves, the ubiquitous squalor and poverty which blights our land - I break down and cry to my little niece, slumped there on the floor, malnourished, in her ratty burlap gown.

"I'm sorry sweetie - we let you down. We have bequeathed you a legacy of shit."

"No," replies the weak voice, barely audible: "You couldn't do nothin'. It was this man!" And she holds up a worn old dime, pointing at the face: "FDR did this to us!"

I nod and sob some more as her voice trails off into a fit of coughing from tuberculosis-ravaged lungs.

I leave her in the shack, rocking back and forth, saying "FDR... FDR..." over and over again.

That monster. That fucking, miserable shithead of a monster.

95   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Jun 10, 6:39pm  

anonymous says

The Chamber’s message also indicated the organization opposes the food tax cut.

Kansas currently taxes food at the same rate as all other purchases, but the bill would lower the sales tax on food to 4.96 percent. The drop, however, wouldn’t take place until July 2016, meaning the sales tax rate on food would spike over the next 12 months before falling.

Holy %@&#$!, they tax grocery purchases?!

96   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Jun 10, 7:34pm  

sbh says

FUCK YEAH! How else do you exact punishment on the poor? They're POOR for fuck's sake, are we just supposed to sit idly by and let them do that to us?

Apparently, the Chamber doesn't include Convenience Stores and Grocery Stores? I can't even...

97   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Jun 10, 8:16pm  

Seriously, I'd rather be poor in Paraguay. Nobody harasses you if you set up on a vacant lot with walls made of wooden pallet scraps and plastic trash bags for a roof. Nobody gives grandma shit for selling chips and smokes out of her garage to help pay for her family (and not just in the hood, but in ritzy neighborhoods like mine, personally, love the convenience of walking five houses away to when I run out of Kitchen Matches or the Kid's favorite juice boxes). Guy next store has a 15-year old kid and grandma selling BBQ Costilla and Empanadas weekend nights, is paying for his Private School that way.

At the end of the street, is what I call "Versailles" - a huge, must be 20-room mansion with armed guards and built totally out of unbelievably expensive imported stone.

I wonder how many "Free Marketeers" would allow neighbors to run a convenience store out of the McMansion next store. They'd be running, not walking, to the Code Department to complain - Home Values are at stake. Forget it if a neighbor was selling his secret special BBQ Ribs on his front driveway to pay for his kid's college fund. POLICE!!! NOW!!! A FRONTAL, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT ON MY PROPERTY VALUES!!!

98   indigenous   2015 Jun 10, 8:18pm  

thunderlips11 says

I wonder how many "Free Marketeers" would allow neighbors to run a convenience store out of the McMansion next store. They'd be running, not walking, to the Code Department to complain - Home Values are at stake. Forget it if a neighbor was selling his secret special BBQ Ribs on his front driveway to pay for his kid's college fund. POLICE!!! NOW!!! A FRONTAL, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT ON MY PROPERTY VALUES!!!

Careful you are starting sound like a free market guy.

99   Bellingham Bill   2015 Jun 12, 8:55am  

tax cuts on people are like electoral candy

tax raises on people are like electoral hemlock

raise taxes on the Kochs and they just send another billion or whatever to their message machines to oppose you

the 1%'s vote doesn't matter, but their money does

raise taxes on the middle class and they'll vote for someone else next time

Democrats learned this hard way in '94, but those tax rises did give us a pretty good economy in the 1990s eventually.

Before the Bushies took over we were afraid of running out of new treasuries to sell, LOL

debt held by public less Fed / GDP

100   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Jun 14, 2:42pm  

Bellingham Bill says

Before the Bushies took over we were afraid of running out of new treasuries to sell, LOL

Greenspan famously told Clinton no widespread job training programs and science incubators, because that would create too much debt.

Then he went whole hog printing far more money for the GWOT.

101   HydroCabron   2015 Jun 17, 7:48am  

anonymous says

Until the governor understands that, he will have the Republican majority doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

This is not the definition of insanity.

I work with plenty of insane people who know better than to do the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

103   indigenous   2015 Jun 17, 7:58pm  

anonymous says

Good comedy is hard to find - thanks for posting that.

You obviously don't read the NYT or any of the many TV stations on the major networks.

104   indigenous   2015 Jun 17, 9:01pm  

http://patrick.net/misc/Warning+For+S.F.+and+Silicon+Valley

Those companies have massively inflated valuations but the real clunkers are all the companies that Patrick has listed on this site that never have and never will make a profit yet employee tens of thousands of people at very high salaries who pay very high rents.

105   indigenous   2015 Jun 23, 8:19pm  

No no, the only states that can afford to be blue states have to make a lot of money in order to afford the parasites.

106   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Jun 23, 8:44pm  

indigenous says

No no, the only states that can afford to be blue states have to make a lot of money in order to afford the parasites.

107   HydroCabron   2015 Jun 24, 7:19pm  

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Once the roads are reduced to ruin from earthquakes and unemployment runs to 92 percent

You cannot have true conservatism if smelting of metals is allowed.

We must ride dinosaurs and use only wood and bone implements, as Jesus did.

108   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Jun 24, 10:48pm  

Allende also came to office during the Nixon Shock, 1973 Stock Market Crash, and was killed right before the oil crisis.

Here's an interesting story about the kind of folks Pinochet worked closely with:

https://theamericanscholar.org/the-torture-colony/#.VYuVeqbhU7A.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/paul-schfer-nazi-colonel-who-established-an-antisemitic-colony-in-chile-after-the-war-1981014.html

Ain't it interesting that Austrian Economists, Actual Nazis, and South American Dictators seem to have a very cooperative history?

Michael Townley is also an interesting person. Nice lifetime on the taxpayer dime under the Witness Protection program, and only 5 years for killing a former diplomat in DC.

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