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mostly reader saysHere you go, dear senile: https://patrick.net/post/1344073?start=9#comment-1826473
This would be a 101 on how to detect one of the propaganda techniques.
Intro: most real-life situations have a large number of variables and moving parts. It's not always clear how they fit multi-dimentional world into a coherent picture based on incomplete and ambiguous data. Slight mis-interpretation of data points - a little bit to the right here, a little bit upwards there, skip this data point because it doesn't fit, stretch another one because it supports - and you get one pictures. Change the direction in which you move the points - and you get a different picture, which may also be consistent, yet be in conflict with the first one. That's what this technique does, it paints the picture by slight manipulation of data points. Lying by omission is quite popular with this approach.
In other words, just your bullshit - nothing I've said.No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no. This selective quoting that you are demonstrating right now is exactly an example of grey propaganda. I further dissect that lie you push about US overthrowing Ukraine. You conveniently omit that bit.
richwicks saysIn other words, just your bullshit - nothing I've said.No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no. This selective quoting that you are demonstrating right now is exactly an example of grey propaganda.
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut saysnot sure what this means, will this do anything for our gas prices? They haven't come down yet.
No connection whatsoever.
RWSGFY says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut saysnot sure what this means, will this do anything for our gas prices? They haven't come down yet.
No connection whatsoever.
well fuck me then, $7 a gallon. Can't wait till I'm out of CA with their faggot tranny worshipping bullshit and high gas prices and fucking commie fucks everywhere and militant leftist blacks. fuck all of that.
Hey, meant to ask you and forgot. How did you know which posts of mine marked as "personal"
Because I replied to them before they were marked.
richwicks saysBecause I replied to them before they were marked.
No, you didn't. https://patrick.net/post/1344825?start=27#comment-1837824 -
I don't think this is going anywhere guys. Right or wrong, maybe just move on from the back and forth? This is going down the classic forum rabbit hole. Agree to disagree so to speak.
I don't recall.Of course, of course, dear "suddenly senile". FYI - this is what true online spanking looks like.
You're a foul mouthed...Yet I wouldn't dare to even think of deep and dark places where your tongue is usually lodged.
richwicks saysI don't recall.Of course, of course, dear "suddenly senile".
RWSGFY saysGazprom is circling the toilet.
GOOD CALL! Are they bankrupt yet?
Sempra Energy (the United States) has announced that it will sell about 2.25 million tons of liquefied natural gas per year (LNG) to the largest German electricity producer RWE AG, which is trying to abandon natural gas from the Russian Federation.
"RWE Supply & Trading and Sempra Infrastructure have signed a major liquefied natural gas supply agreement for RWE's European utility portfolio for the Port Arthur LNG project in Texas, U.S. The conditions provide for negotiations and the completion of the final 15-year contract for the supply and procurement of approximately 2.25 million tons of LNG per year," the company said.
The volumes will be delivered by RWE anywhere in the world - as an example to the planned LNG import capacity in Germany.
"As RWE we are thrilled to join forces with Sempra Infrastructure, one of the leading LNG infrastructure companies in the U.S. This partnership will help diversify the RWE and German gas supply portfolio and thus improve supply security in Europe on a long-term basis," said RWE Supply & Trading CEO.
Sempra Energy (the United States) has announced that it will sell about 2.25 million tons of liquefied natural gas per year (LNG) to the largest German electricity producer RWE AG, which is trying to abandon natural gas from the Russian Federation.
"Gazprom" to cut gas exports to Europe via NS-1 by 40%
Today, at an operational meeting at PJSC Gazprom, information on the operating mode of the Portovaya compressor station (CS) was considered.
Due to the untimely return of gas compressor units from repair by Siemens (Germany), the exhaustion of the overhaul life of the GCU and the identified technical malfunctions of the engines (an order from Rostekhnadzor on a temporary ban on activities was received), only three gas compressor units can currently be used at the Portovaya CS.
Gas supplies to the Nord Stream gas pipeline can currently be provided in the amount of up to 100 million cubic meters. m per day (with a planned volume of 167 million cubic meters per day).
Russia will experience a massive boom in their economy, because what really allows us to live is just energy.
LOL: Soviet Union had shitload of oil and gas but its economy was complete shit with shortages of pretty much everything - food, cars, electronics, clothes, housing, even fucking toilet paper ...
Another case of the death of a top manager associated with Gazprom. In the pool near St. Petersburg, they found the body of Yuri Voronov, the head of the company's contractor. He died from a gunshot to the head.
The body of 61-year-old Voronov was found on the territory of his site in the cottage village of Marine Terraces near the Gulf of Finland. The man was lying in the pool with a shot through his head, and law enforcement officers found a traumatic pistol nearby. To whom it belonged is not yet clear.
Yuri Voronov is the general director of the transport company Astra Shipping, which, among other things, worked on the Arctic contracts of Gazprom. According to the businessman's wife, he went to the Leningrad region on July 1, and before leaving he had a conflict with business partners due to the loss of money.
This is the fifth death in six months associated with the Russian gas industry. In winter, the body of Leonid Shulman, head of the Gazprom invest transport service, and then Alexander Tyulakov, who worked at Gazprom as deputy general director of the Unified Settlement Center, was found in the Leningrad Region. Interestingly, the corpses of both leaders were found in the same village near St. Petersburg - Leninsky.
In April, the bodies of Vladislav Avaev, a former vice president of Gazprombank, as well as his wife and daughter, were found in a Moscow apartment. A little later, in a similar way, the former Novatek top manager Sergei Protosenya, his wife and daughter were found dead in Spain.
Eric Holder says
https://nypost.com/2022/03/03/ukrainian-oligarch-mikhail-watford-found-dead-in-uk-mansion/
Who?
Hung in garage.
The largest Austrian gas storage operator RAG Austria AG has finally taken over the management of the country's largest gas storage facility "Haidach" in Salzburg, which was previously managed by the Russian company "Gazprom".
This is reported by Kroner Zeitung.
The Austrian government made the decision to take away the Heydach storage facility from Gazprom due to the lack of blue fuel. Austrian legislation allows the use of all storage facilities in the country in the event of a gas shortage, while the Russian company kept Haydach empty.
As the Minister of Climate Protection of Austria, Leonore Gewessler, reported on Tuesday, RAG Austria AG has already started booking gas storage capacity, and will start filling it from August 1.
"Filled gas storages are our insurance for the coming winter. Therefore, it is first of all important that all storages in Austria are full," she said.
The chairman of RAG Austria AG, Markus Mitteregger, agreed with the minister: "It is now clear how fundamental energy storage is for a secure energy supply throughout the year in Austria and Central Europe. Large volumes and seasonal storage in our underground storage facilities are an important element in ensuring this today and tomorrow." .
Back in May, he warned the Chancellor of Austria that the storage facility in Salzburg would be handed over to other suppliers if Gazprom did not fill it with gas.
From January 1 to August 15, 2022, Gazprom produced 274.8 billion cubic meters of gas, which is 13.2% or 41.7 billion cubic meters. m less than in the same period last year.
This was reported by the press service of the Russian company.
Gazprom clarifies that gas exports to far-off countries fell by 36.2% or 44.6 billion cubic meters during this period. m - up to 78.5 billion cubic meters. m.
During this period, the company's demand for gas from the gas transportation system in the domestic market of Russia decreased by 2.3% (by 3.6 billion cubic meters).
Oh no, how is Gazprom going to make any money at all selling only 20% of what it did just a few months ago.
Misc says
Oh no, how is Gazprom going to make any money at all selling only 20% of what it did just a few months ago.
Yes, losing market share is a GOOD thing!!! Ask any business. The Big Three would be especially happy to chime in.
The share of Russian gas in the European market since the beginning of the year has decreased from 50% to 9%, said French President Emmanuel Macron. As the French leader noted at a press conference in Paris, at the beginning of the year, "25% of all European energy came from gas, of which 50% was gas from Russia." “Now its share has dropped to 9%,” Macron said.
National Joint Stock Company “Naftogaz of Ukraine” has filed a Request for Arbitration with the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce in Paris regarding the actions of PJSC “Gazprom” (Russian Federation). The venue for arbitration is Zurich, Switzerland.
Naftogaz demands that Gazprom pay for the rendered service of organising natural gas transportation through the territory of Ukraine. Funds were not paid by Gazprom, neither on time nor in full.
Naftogaz CEO Yuriy Vitrenko commented: “We will make Gazprom pay. Naftogaz also assesses the possibility of additional claims. We will use our experience of victories over Gazprom in arbitration”.
Germany flatly rejected an offer from Russian President Vladimir Putin to renew exports of natural gas through the Nord Stream 2 pipeline Wednesday.
Putin's offer comes as Russia is limiting exports of oil and gas to Europe in response to weighty sanctions from NATO countries over the invasion of Ukraine. Germany pointed to Russia's limiting of natural gas supplies through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in its response, saying Russia is not a "reliable" supplier.
"Nice try," government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann told reporters of Putin's offer. "Independently of the possible sabotage of the two pipelines, we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1 there was no longer any gas flowing."
"So for us, there is no reason to believe that that would change," she added.
NOVY URENGOY, Russia (Reuters) - Meticulously crafted over decades as a major revenue stream for the Kremlin, Moscow’s gas trade with Europe is unlikely to recover from the ravages of military conflict.
After President Vladimir Putin’s “special military operation” in Ukraine began almost a year ago, a combination of Western sanctions and Russia’s decision to cut supplies to Europe drastically reduced the country’s energy exports.
The latest sanctions, including price caps, are likely to disrupt oil trade further but it is easier to find new markets for crude and refined products than for gas.
Russia’s gas trade with Europe has been based on thousands of miles of pipes beginning in Siberia and stretching to Germany and beyond. Until last year, they locked Western buyers into a long-term supply relationship.
“Of course, the loss of the European market is a very serious test for Russia in the gas aspect,” Yury Shafranik, Russian fuel and energy minister from 1993 to 1996, told Reuters.
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A former senior manager at Gazprom was more direct.
“The work of hundreds of people, who for decades built the exporting system, now has been flushed down the toilet,” the former manager told Reuters on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.
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According to Reuters’ estimates, based on export fees and export volumes data, Gazprom’s revenues from overseas sales were around $3.4 billion in January down from $6.3 billion in the same period last year.
The figures, combined with forecasts of exports and average gas prices, imply Gazprom’s exporting revenues will almost halve this year, widening the $25 billion budget deficit Russia posted in January.
Already, the company’s natural gas exports last year almost halved to reach a post-Soviet low and the downward trend has continued this year.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen estimated Russia cut 80% of gas supplies to the EU in the eight months after the conflict began in Ukraine.
As a result, Russia supplied only around 7.5% of western Europe’s gas needs by the end of last year, compared with around 40% in 2021.
Before the conflict, Russia had been confident of selling more to Europe, not less.
Elena Burmistrova, the head of Gazprom’s exporting unit, told an industry event in Vienna in 2019 the company’s record-high exports outside Soviet Union of more than 200 billion cubic metres (bcm) achieved in 2018 were the “new reality”.
Last year, the total was just above 100 bcm.
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Russia is also seeking to boost its pipeline gas sales to China, the world’s largest energy consumer and top buyer of crude oil, liquefied natural gas (LNG) and coal.
Supplies began via the Power of Siberia Pipeline in late 2019 and Russia aims to raise the annual exports to around 38 bcm from 2025.
Moscow also has an agreement with Beijing for another 10 bcm per year from a yet-to-be built pipeline from the Pacific island of Sakhalin, while Russia is also developing plans for Power of Siberia 2 from Western Siberia, which in theory could supply an additional 50 bcm per year to China.
Whether that relationship can be as lucrative as the decades of supplying gas to Europe remains to be seen.
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The negotiations with China on new gas sales are expected to be complex, not least because China is not expected to need additional gas until after 2030, industry analysts said.
Russia also faces far more competition than in the past from renewable energy as the world seeks to limit the impact of climate change, as well as rival pipeline gas supplies to China, including from Turkmenistan.
LNG, which can be shipped anywhere in the world, has further reduced the need for pipeline gas.
Gazprom and China have kept their agreed gas price a secret. Ron Smith, analyst at Moscow-based BCS brokerage, expected the price for 2022 to average $270 per 1,000 cubic metres, much lower than prices in Europe.
It is also below Gazprom’s export price of $700 per 1,000 cubic metres, expected by Russian Economy Ministry this year.
WHEN YOUR MARKET SHARE IS DROPPING 5X IT MEANS YOU"RE WINNING!!!!
Putin said that by 2030 Russia would supply China with at least 98 billion cubic meters of gas and 100 million tons of LNG. Putting aside the question that Russia's dependence on oil and gas remains a key problem. ... The declared volumes are 236 billion cubic meters of gas in terms of a single volume. For 9 years. That is, the average volume of supplies will be 26 billion cubic meters per year. Solid.
You need to understand that the lost European market gave sales volumes of about 150 billion cubic meters per year, of which about 30 are left with the prospect of losing another 20 billion in the next couple of years. Loss - 120 billion a year with a prospect of 140 billion.
Polish pipeline operator seeks €1.3 billion from Russia’s Gazprom for ending supplies
MAY 19, 2023
The owner of the Polish section of the Yamal gas pipeline, EuRoPol Gaz, is seeking over 6 billion zloty (€1.3 billion) compensation from Gazprom for losses accrued due to the Russian state energy giant halting gas deliveries last year.
The news that EuRoPol Gaz has filed a claim at the Arbitration Institute of the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce was reported by Business Insider Polska yesterday and later confirmed by state assets minister Jacek Sasin.
The firm is demanding repayment of 848 million zloty of gas transmission fees from 2006 to 2009 redeemed to Gazprom in 2010 on the condition that the Russian operator would transmit gas until 2045 and that the Polish company would make money on these transmissions.
In addition, EuRoPol Gaz estimates around 5.4 billion zloty in revenue from gas transmission charges by 2045 lost due to Gazprom halting gas shipments to Poland in April last year following Warsaw’s refusal to pay for the fuel in roubles.
Documents seen by the Polish Press Agency (PAP) show that EuRoPol Gaz called on Gazprom at the end of April to pay the claimed amounts. After the Russian firm refused, EuRoPol Gaz applied for arbitration on 9 May. Gazprom has not yet publicly commented.
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In a previous dispute, in 2020 the Stockholm arbitration tribunal ordered Gazprom to pay PGNiG, a Polish state gas firm, 6 billion zloty for charging it prices for gas that did not reflect the realities of the market.
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How Russian energy giant Gazprom lost $300bn.
It was not too long ago that Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled energy conglomerate, was one of the Kremlin’s most powerful weapons. But those days now seem like a distant memory. Today, Gazprom is a financial shadow of its former self.
The speed of Gazprom’s decline is breathtaking. At its peak in May 2008, the company’s market capitalisation reached $367bn (£237bn), making it one of world’s most valuable companies, according to a survey compiled by the Financial Times. Only fellow Exxonmobile and PetroChina were worth more. Gazprom’s deputy chair Alexander Medvedev repeatedly predicted that within a decade the Russian energy giant could be worth $1 trillion.
That prediction now seems foolhardy. Since 2008, Gazprom’s value has plummeted. In early August it had a market capitalisation of $51bn – losing more than $300bn. No company among the world’s top 5,000 has suffered a bigger collapse, Bloomberg Business News reported in April 2014, and by the end of the year net income had fallen by an astonishing 86%.
Though share prices have rallied slightly since, indicators suggest Gazprom has further to fall. Lingering uncertainty raises questions about whether it can survive, with production continuing to tumble downward.
So what happened? Why is a company with the world’s largest gas reserves, operating in a country bordering China and the European Union – two of the world’s top energy consumers, performing so badly?"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/07/gazprom-oil-company-share-price-collapse