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richwicks says

Engh, the whole damned thing is a mess. It will work itself in time.

Depends on the definition of time. I don't think so, though. But I hope you are right.

https://www.newsweek.com/hail-hitler-hacked-road-sign-hunt-highway-arizona-nazi-adolf-hitler-heil-905335

Sorry, but Zinn above is full of beans. Poverty does not cause crime, just compare the crime rate of the Roaring Twenties with the Great Depression. I will agree that the crimes of the rich and powerful do go unpunished.

HeadSet says

Sorry, but Zinn above is full of beans. Poverty does not cause crime, just compare the crime rate of the Roaring Twenties with the Great Depression. I will agree that the crimes of the rich and powerful do go unpunished.

Okay, then what do you think causes crime? I was robbed of about $100 in a poverty and blight ridden area of Cleveland many years back. All the robbers were white and they set me up. These 6 individuals were likely poor and looking for money to buy drugs with. They had little to loose. This was probably not their first crime.
My bicycle got stolen last month from my open garage. Probably, someone who was looking for drug money was involved, that's my theory.

gabbar says

Okay, then what do you think causes crime?

Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.

HeadSet says

Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.

BINGO.

AmericanKulak says

HeadSet says

Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.

BINGO.

Agreed. Poverty does promote crime to a certain extent, but it's far less than people are led to believe. Also the standard of living for "poor" people is much higher these days - at the expense of the middle and upper (not to be confused with the uber wealthy) class - yet so is crime

HeadSet says

Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.

You make good points. I will think about this perspective. In my case, I didnt feel too bad when my bicycle got stolen. But I did report it to police, not sure why. 30 years back, I was poor and probably I would have felt bad about it.

This is the entire quote:
I am convinced that imprisonment is a way of pretending to solve the problem of crime. It does nothing for the victims of crime, but perpetuates the idea of retribution, thus maintaining the endless cycle of violence in our culture. It is a cruel and useless substitute for the elimination of those conditions -- poverty, unemployment, homelessness, desperation, racism, greed--which are at the root of most punished crime. The crimes of the rich and powerful go mostly unpunished. It must surely be a tribute to the resilience of the human spirit that even a small number of those men and women in the hell of the prison system survive it and hold on to their humanity. - Howard Zinn, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times

Democracy depends on citizens being informed, and since our media, especially television (which is the most important source of news for most Americans) reports mostly what the people in power do, and repeats what the people in power say, the public is badly informed, and it means we cannot really say we have a functioning democracy. – Howard Zinn, Huffington Post, Jan. 28, 2010

gabbar says

those fucking bitches don't bite the hand that feeds them, that's for sure.

mell says

Also the standard of living for "poor" people is much higher these days

I know a couple of families that live on government funds due to 'disability'. One of them used to fuck her lawyer to pay legal fee and the lawyer finally got her on the disability due to a 'slipped disc'. They have a pretty good and comfortable life.

gabbar says

RC2006 says

Muslims pretty much got along with Jews until Jews started creating Israel.

I don't know if Muslims got along with Jews before pre-Israel. The hatred of Jews is built into Islamic religious literature.

Hatred for every thing except Islam is built into Islam. Muslim don't get along with anyone. Mayanmar buddhist , all variations of Hindus in india, Sikhs in west Punjab where now there are no Sikhs left. All borders with jewish Isreal and Christians.

gabbar says

RC2006 says

Muslims pretty much got along with Jews until Jews started creating Israel.

I don't know if Muslims got along with Jews before pre-Israel. The hatred of Jews is built into Islamic religious literature.

They got along pretty well. They never had an extermination program for Jewish people, like Europe did.

Still, Islam is generally pretty screwed up. The reason they don't have a huge African population despite importing something like 4x the number of slaves from Africa, is they castrated all their slaves.

richwicks says

The reason they don't have a huge African population despite importing something like 4x the number of slaves from Africa, is they castrated all their slaves.

Do you know any source (book, article...)of this castration of slaves?

DooDahMan says

Why did Muslim slave owners castrate their slaves?

Foresight

https://notthebee.com/article/this-new-york-city-man-lost-his-wallet-and-the-1400-inside-luckily-a-jewish-family-picked-it-up-and-was-nice-enough-to-return-it-to-him

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1526282417706872832

Just something to defy the stereotypes.

gabbar says

Did they have a debate in that chamber about the Budapest Memorandum? No? Why start now then?

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/this-new-york-city-man-lost-his-wallet-and-the-1400-inside-luckily-a-jewish-family-picked-it-up-and-was-nice-enough-to-return-it-to-him

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1526282417706872832

Just something to defy the stereotypes.

I left my wallet in NC at a restaurant way back in the day. I called the restaurant, and asked them to ship my wallet back to me, less the postage fees. They did that, to the nearest dollar. To this day I respect country folk. Most times, they're considered "white trash," but let me tell you, if you treat them with respect (and they're not on meth), they will reciprocate.

The most shameful experience I had with my ex-jewish girlfriend was one time, when we were walking into a grocery store. A black mother was fastening her daughter into a stroller. Her daughter was an albino black. My liberal jewish grilfriend turned to me eagerly and asked me "Did you see it, did you see it?" I responded, "Yes, I saw *her*, she's a human being too." That was the second major strike against her. I knew then that despite her posturing that she was truly a racist.

https://vid8.poal.co/user/SoSickOfBlacks/Co3Xd8Z

AmericanKulak says

Just when I'm convinced that the musselman is the devil, you gatta bring up something I agree with. Damn you!!

Yes, they're right about that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10835551/Virginia-board-rename-schools-Confederate-generals-dropping-titles-George-Floyd-murder.html

Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests

HeadSet says

gabbar says

Okay, then what do you think causes crime?

Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.

Umm.... "California stopped prosecuting shoplifting" isn't really "opportunity and lack of morals" (unless the opportunity is that they aren't in jail and the morals that are lacking are those of the politicians. The shoplifting is due to lack of consequences.

Booger says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10835551/Virginia-board-rename-schools-Confederate-generals-dropping-titles-George-Floyd-murder.html

Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests

The South is unfairly maligned. The reality about Lincoln is that he opposed slavery, but he also opposed allowing black people to continue to live in the United States. He wanted to expel them all to Liberia. That's why Liberia was created.

Many abolitionists didn't view "people of color" as being equal to white men. Lincoln was one of those, and the civil war was NOT fought over slavery, it was economic in nature, and part of the economics of the Union was to keep the South under NY's financial district's thumb.

Booger says

Hahahahaha

gabbar says

Failed in the senate though thank God

Meanwhile, in Poland:
https://t.me/hotptakes/1585