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Asian faiths try to save sacred swastika corrupted by Hitler

https://news.yahoo.com/asian-faiths-try-save-sacred-124445025.html

Over the past decade, as the Asian diaspora grew in North America, calls to reclaim the swastika as a sacred symbol became louder. These minority faith communities are being joined by Native Americans whose ancestors used it in healing rituals.

Deo believes she and people of other faiths shouldn’t have to sacrifice or apologize for a sacred symbol simply because it is often conflated with its tainted version.

“To me, that’s intolerable,” she said.

[…]

Greta Elbogen, an 85-year-old Holocaust survivor whose family members were killed at Auschwitz, said learning the swastika is sacred to so many is a blessing and feels liberating. Elbogen, born in 1938 when the Nazis forcibly annexed Austria, went into hiding in Hungary before immigrating to the U.S.

Elbogen said she no longer fears the symbol: “It’s time to let go of the past and look to the future.”

Thanks @gabbar

Including a live link: https://government-scam.com/

They are selling a book, but might be a good book.

Patrick says

Thanks gabbar

Including a live link: https://government-scam.com/

They are selling a book, but might be a good book.

@ Patrick, since you mentioned a good book, let me mention a bad book. I walked into Costco entrance today and the first item on the right was a book by Michelle Obama!

cisTits says

gabbar says

I walked into Costco entrance today and the first item on the right was a book by Michelle Obama!

...which is going to be purchased mostly buy? White soccer moms.

Nobody will purchase it.

Book deals for politicians are nothing more than bribes to the politicians. Nobody cares what the supposed thoughts and thinking of the Obama's are.

Is this a sound reason for banning Ye? Wtf Elon.

Thanks for posting this @gabbar

I'm not exactly sure what Kanye was trying to say, but I hate it when we're not allowed to even see the reason that someone was banned.

Patrick says

Thanks for posting this gabbar

I'm not exactly sure what Kanye was trying to say, but I hate it when we're not allowed to even see the reason that someone was banned.

The reason is that he posted a swastika. Nobody is allowed to post swastikas unless you're Indian and using the reverse one associated with your heritage. That "rule" obviously violates free speech, but has pretty much been applied everywhere in the West since WW2 ended.

That doesn't seem like a good reason to me, especially since it does not look like he is saying he approves of Nazism. It looks like he's saying that Jews are behaving like Nazis, which is admittedly offensive but not a threat. It would help if he explained his position better. Maybe he means that Jews are censoring him like Nazis would have.

I still don't think he should have been banned for that. No group should be entirely immune from all criticism.

Patrick says

That doesn't seem like a good reason to me, especially since it does not look like he is saying he approves of Nazism. It looks like he's saying that Jews are behaving like Nazis, which is admittedly offensive but not a threat. It would help if he explained his position better. Maybe he means that Jews are censoring him like Nazis would have.

I still don't think he should have been banned for that. No group should be entirely immune from all criticism.

Agreed, but he's clearly provoking now

Even provoking is OK with me. He's not calling for violence or insulting anyone personally.

I read somewhere that EU threatened to ban Twitter over this tweet!

mell says

Patrick says

Thanks for posting this gabbar

I'm not exactly sure what Kanye was trying to say, but I hate it when we're not allowed to even see the reason that someone was banned.

The reason is that he posted a swastika. Nobody is allowed to post swastikas unless you're Indian and using the reverse one associated with your heritage. That "rule" obviously violates free speech, but has pretty much been applied everywhere in the West since WW2 ended.

Hitler killed 1 million Jews and his Swastika is not kosher for the EU. Per Brown University, US is responsible for 9 million war deaths since year 2000 and EU rims the US! Nice.

gabbar says

Hitler killed 1 million Jews and his Swastika is not kosher. Per Brown University, US is responsible for 9 million war deaths since year 2000 and EU rims the US! Nice.

I think the estimate of 1 million Jews killed is a little light. I think the estimates after WWII was around 2 million, but who knows?

So a friend wondered if there is any evidence that indicates that the government cares about itself and its sponsors first?

gabbar says

Is this a sound reason for banning Ye? Wtf Elon.

That's the RAELIAN symbol. I'm not joking, it was really the symbol of the Raelian Cult.

I'm glad Kanye ran his mouth, it should happen more often.

They come for the nutjobs, so they can silence the reasonable dissenters.

Anybody notice that all the whacky guests have disappeared from TV, again, about 10 years ago, Obama's 2nd term, Controversial and Crazy People disappeared from all media. Or were disappeared. Having Holocaust Deniers, Elvis in a UFO people, etc. was normal on TV from Morton Downey to Donahue to Talk Radio

AmericanKulak says

They come for the nutjobs, so they can silence the reasonable dissenters.

This way the dissenters learn not to poke their head out of the foxhole.

Patrick says

Even provoking is OK with me. He's not calling for violence or insulting anyone personally.

richwicks says

gabbar says

Hitler killed 1 million Jews and his Swastika is not kosher. Per Brown University, US is responsible for 9 million war deaths since year 2000 and EU rims the US! Nice.

I think the estimate of 1 million Jews killed is a little light. I think the estimates after WWII was around 2 million, but who knows?

Agreed again, still doesn't change the fact that history is written by the winners and currently US caused US war deaths are not counted/factored in. Ye is clearly provoking, doesn't mean he is right or wrong, but he is attacking prob the most taboo subject in the world. Might not be the smartest way to fight but maybe he'll find some way through this. Everyone should have the right to free speech, but we are far away from that, not just in the US. Let's see what can be done to restore it

mell says

but he is attacking prob the most taboo subject in the world.

This is the elephant in the room.

AmericanKulak says

That's the RAELIAN symbol. I'm not joking, it was really the symbol of the Raelian Cult.

True story, I used to work with one. You can find his videos on the tube. Guy's cubicle was absolutely plastered with space alien propaganda. It's an interesting religion to read about. They'd do sex seminars (orgies) in Canada over the summer and he'd edit the graphic pictures in our lab. One day he came up to me doing Karate kicks (they are super human) in the lab and I farted at him. He threatened to go to HR over sex harassment and I told him, "I don't know what kind of sex you Raeliens have but it doesn't involve farts for us mere humans". I used to toss microcentrifuge tubes filled with frozen nitrogen in the trash at his lab bench. They'd blow up and freak him out.

All that being said, I did like the guy as strange as he was. They are harmless as far as cults go. Oh, he was VP of N. America as well. Cited when they claimed to have cloned the first human baby in the early 2000s. (When you die, the Raelians come down from the planet Rael, take you there and clone you where you live for 700 years before they have to re-clone you. I think that time period is out of the original Superman?) At any rate, he wasn't a great molecular biologist. If we were McDonalds he would only be allowed to fill the soda cups if you know what I mean.

gabbar says

I wonder what that $8 trillion of people's money would buy for the people.

gabbar says

I wonder what that $8 trillion of people's money would buy for the people.

It's about $24,000 for every American. So nearly $100,000 for a family of four.

gabbar says

Humans are the life on earth. When/if the humans are gone there is no reason for the earth to exist. The plants and animals might not need us, but there is no reason form them to exist if humans are not part of this world. One single human soul, is more significant than all other plants or creatures.

PeopleUnited says

One single human soul, is more significant than all other plants or creatures.

Human beings are animals.

gabbar says

PeopleUnited says

One single human soul, is more significant than all other plants or creatures.

Human beings are animals.

Speak for yourself.

"If all the human beings were taken away the Earth would flourish" is a meaningless statement. Take away any single species and the Earth will still flourish. Hell, the earth even flourished when ALL the dinosaur species were removed. Still flourishing in North American even when all the species of mammoth, mastodon, saber tooth cats, American rhinos and many other large species died out in the last 100,000 years.

Earth will always flourish as long as the sun shines, species can only make problems for themselves.

richwicks says

Book deals for politicians are nothing more than bribes to the politicians. Nobody cares what the supposed thoughts and thinking of the Obama's are.

Years ago, I was interviewing for some tech gig at a company in downtown SF. In the lobby they had a case of Obama's, "Dreams of my father" in hardback. I am sure they would have let me take one if I wanted it. I did not want it and did not get the gig.

Any book ghost written as 'Obama Propaganda' gives toilet paper a bad name. After using all the fake Kenyan relatives for political image, Obama gave them all the bum's rush when he became Pres. They were disposable useful idiots.

PeopleUnited says

gabbar says

PeopleUnited says

One single human soul, is more significant than all other plants or creatures.

Human beings are animals.

Speak for yourself.

No, its you and your entire families. All human beings are animals.

gabbar says

PeopleUnited says

gabbar says

PeopleUnited says

One single human soul, is more significant than all other plants or creatures.

Human beings are animals.

Speak for yourself.

No, its you and your entire families. All human beings are animals.

God damnit, not another religious conflict...

Here's how I see it, if there is to be a good world, humanity ALONE is able to create it. Ever had a pet? If you weren't a shit owner, you did you best to give that creature a perfect life.

It's not humanity that is fucking up this world, it's a SMALL segment of humanity that is and you are victims to it.

I'm not at all religious, but it seems very clear to me, there's a REAL war between good and evil. There's a crazy fucked up portion of our population that just wants to destroy, but without human beings, something else would come up that would do the same thing. If we are really a sentient species, we'll exterminate the sociopaths. We can do this morally as well, we don't just have to murder them, we just prevent them from spreading their disease, which I assume from my best knowledge, may be genetic.

gabbar says

PeopleUnited says

gabbar says

PeopleUnited says

One single human soul, is more significant than all other plants or creatures.

Human beings are animals.

Speak for yourself.

No, its you and your entire families. All human beings are animals.

Just because some are behaving like animals doesn’t make them animals. Humans are eternal beings with both a body and an eternal soul. Humans can contemplate their relationship with their creator. Animals lack the ability to have a relationship with God, but God created man in His image, with a mind, body and spirit.

richwicks says

I'm not at all religious, but it seems very clear to me, there's a REAL war between good and evil. There's a crazy fucked up portion of our population that just wants to destroy, but without human beings, something else would come up that would do the same thing. If we are really a sentient species, we'll exterminate the sociopaths. We can do this morally as well, we don't just have to murder them, we just prevent them from spreading their disease,

There is most definitely a war between good and evil, but if you look past the dimension of time, you can know and see the battle is already won. It is won because everything God said happened and will happen, is already settled. The only thing that is not settled is which side each person will choose. It has nothing to do with genetics. It is a choice every person makes to either seek reconciliation/forgiveness from rebellion against their Creator, or continue in their rebellion and separation from God. Unfortunately for those who choose the later, they will bear their sins alone and stand before a righteous God at the judgment with a lifetime of guilt and shame. But for those who repent and accept the payment Jesus made for their sins given as a free gift to every man woman and child, there is forgiveness and their sins are remembered no more.

Today's political incorrectness done properly is by Japan. They say they will go along with the EU's $60 cap per barrel on Russian oil except for the oil they get from Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/japan-sets-price-cap-russian-crude-oil-excluding-sakhalin-2-2022-12-05/

It will be interesting to see if Russia follows through on its pledge to not sell oil to countries supporting the cap. Japan only imports about $2-3 billion per year of oil from Russia. It's a tough time in the oil markets to find a replacement though. Be a shame if Russia stops exporting gas to Japan too. That's about 9% of Japan's usage.

Gotta watch your political correctness nowadays.

Japan implemented a price cap on Russian crude oil from Monday, but crude oil imported from the Sakhalin-2 plant will be excluded, the government said in a statement.

If Russia gets weak, Japan can re-take Sakhalin.