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Strategist says

Native Americans owned all of America.

If you can take it and hold it, it’s yours. Same as it ever was.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Strategist says

Native Americans owned all of America.

If you can take it and hold it, it’s yours. Same as it ever was.

Why drives me nuts about Israel is all the propaganda around it.

The people who control Israel have no connection to the land at all, historically. They are Europeans and Russians, and they conquered it. They are a racially based society, and non Jewish people in the society are second class status. They are indeed an apartheid government, and they create a lot of pointless problems in the region which has plenty of problems to begin with.

richwicks says

The people who control Israel have no connection to the land at all, historically. They are Europeans and Russians

That's not true. European Jews have significant Middle Eastern ancestry, unlike other Europeans.

Just look at them. It's pretty obvious.

Great thread. So much info about all the intricacies of the region. Such a rainbow of rich cultures!

I do not give a fuck. Stay the fuck out of it.

I agree. The Middle East is not America. We should stay entirely out of that conflict.

Patrick says

richwicks says

The people who control Israel have no connection to the land at all, historically. They are Europeans and Russians

That's not true. European Jews have significant Middle Eastern ancestry, unlike other Europeans.

Just look at them. It's pretty obvious.

Like who? William Shatner? He's Jewish. Look at how fucking white they are, in a desert? They aren't Middle Eastern. they are not the descendants of the Jews of the Bible.

It's a mix, but the Middle Eastern component is there.

I've read about this stuff for years.

Patrick says

It's a mix, but the Middle Eastern component is there.

I've read about this stuff for years.

Why do you assume what you're reading is true?

Why doesn't Jordan want Palestinians?

Search "Black September". Something that Ryan Dawson's "Exhaustive MENA knowledge" omits regularly.

Why doesn't Lebanon want Palestinians?

Search "Damour" or "Lebanese Civil War +Causes +Church of the Deliverence"

Egypt, @Patrick mentioned above. Every time Egypt opens the border, even in a limited way to allow Gazans to visit markets, a few weeks later tourists get killed.

@richwicks I challenge you to find me any evidence which shows that Ashkenazi Jews do not have a large Middle Eastern genetic origin, since you're the one asserting that.

Even just looking at paternal haplogroups, you see that the most common Ashkenazi Jewish Y-chromosome haplotype is type J, as are most Arabs, while the typical European is R1b (like me, with paternal ancestry from Ireland). Russians are usually R1a.

Patrick says

I challenge you to find me any evidence which shows that Ashkenazi Jews do not have a large Middle Eastern genetic origin, since you're the one asserting that.

What's "large"?

They are OBVIOUSLY European. It frustrates me that people will believe lies before they believe their eyes now.

If you're not going to debate in good faith, it's pointless to debate.

Is there no stereotype of Jewish appearance?

Patrick says

If you're not going to debate in good faith, it's pointless to debate.

Is there no stereotype of Jewish appearance?

I'm not debating. Look at how goddamned pale their skin is. They're as white as you and me. They marry as an ingroup, so naturally there's going to be repetition of features.

MisdemeanorRebel says

Right, you can revoke Citizenship generations later, retroactively.

Nothing to revoke - the people we're talking about never had Lithuanian citizenship in the first place. All they had is Soviet citizenship. Which they still can claim any moment they want (and probably did in secret).

Lithuania was annexed by the USSR in 1940 and flooded with transplants from the East while tens of thousands of natives were imprisoned in or deported to Siberia. When Lithuanian state was restored in 1990 they naturally decided to not automatically grant citizenship to the transplants but left the door open to these who would demonstrate geniune interest in integration - learning the fucking language and taking the fucking citizenship exam.

PS. If I was a King of Lithuania I'd kick them all the fuck out to their native Northern Hamas and offered to apply for entry visa and residency permit on case-by-case basis, but these Lithuanians are softies.

Patrick says

richwicks says

The people who control Israel have no connection to the land at all, historically. They are Europeans and Russians

That's not true. European Jews have significant Middle Eastern ancestry, unlike other Europeans.

Just look at them. It's pretty obvious.

Also note that quite a few Palestinians look very European, especially when young.

HeadSet says

Also note that quite a few Palestinians look very European, especially when young.

Perhaps.

At this point, I'm hoping Israel blows up the Al-Aqsa Mosque and rebuilds their stupid temple. This is supposed to bring their Messiah back and end the world. When it doesn't happen, maybe these nutcases will start acting like sane adults.

I'm just tired of this conflict. It will never end. Zionists are a bunch of Jewish bigots, and the Palestinians hate them because they've been fucked over by them for 70 years. There's no reconciliation possible.

richwicks says

At this point, I'm hoping Israel blows up the Al-Aqsa Mosque

Screw that: 50mt ground bursts at Mecca and Medina are what is needed.

On the one hand, that could backfire like the Romans' destroying the Temple in Jerusalem. Jews go there anyway to pray at the remaining wall.

On the other hand, Islam has no "failure mode" so they might not cope as well with the loss of their holiest sites.

Patrick says

On the one hand, that could backfire like the Romans' destroying the Temple in Jerusalem. Jews go there anyway to pray at the remaining wall.

The wall, is likely an ancient Roman Fortress. That is a whole discussion. "Holy places" become holy places due to legend, not from history.

Patrick says

On the other hand, Islam has no "failure mode" so they might not cope as well with the loss of their holiest sites.

I'm just tired of this shit. There's a group of apocalyptic Jews that believe if they destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque and build a temple there, their messiah will show up. There's a group of Christian lunatics that believe basically the same, but Jesus comes back.

Well, fuck it, do it. Watch NOTHING happen, and then we can have the entertainment of watching all these religious frauds explain why nothing happened.

These are just nutcases in my opinion. I'm tired of them.

I've been following the Palestine / Israeli conflict for 30 years, I'm sick of it. There's been NO PROGRESS - it's gotten worse. Israel claimed they wanted a 2 state solution, that's a lie. They can just make a fucking 2 state solution by just declaring their borders, they'll never do this. They claimed "oh if the Palestinians just laid down their arms, there would be peace" - well the West Bank did - what did that get them? Expansion of settlements.

There's no negotiating with Israel. The only think they respect is violence. They constantly lie, NONE of their statements are true. I'm fucking tired of it.

Blow up the Mosque - make some stupid fucking temple, realize you were wrong, and you just blew up an ancient landmark over your bullshit dumb racist religion.

Patrick says

On the other hand, Islam has no "failure mode" so they might not cope as well with the loss of their holiest sites.

If you see the Saudi Video I posted, many Islamic scholars dispute that "Al Aqsa" is the furthest Mosque, since the battle of Yarmouk didn't happen yet and the Prophet was dead before it was built. They say it was in a town called J--- something, north of Mecca, the town as two mosques, one is "Al-Aqsa", the further, the other is "Al-something", the closer.

The argument is fairly known among the educated in the Middle East.

HeadSet says

Also note that quite a few Palestinians look very European, especially when young.

As many are descended from the Bosniaks the Ottomans settled there in the late 19th, like Shirley Temper, Ahed Tamimi - blonde hair, blue eyes, European face and nose. The Grand Mufti Husseyni is very European looking for the same reason, he was a Bosniak.

AmericanKulak says

HeadSet says

Also note that quite a few Palestinians look very European, especially when young.

As many are descended from the Bosniaks the Ottomans settled there in the late 19th, like Shirley Temper, Ahed Tamimi - blonde hair, blue eyes, European face and nose. The Grand Mufti Husseyni is very European looking for the same reason, he was a Bosniak.

yep, the Ottomans made it far up north into the Balkans

look at some "Muslim" Europeans

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakir_Izetbegovi%C4%87#Controversies

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans#Religion

who would want to live in a country within the old Yugoslavia that is split 50% Islam and 50% Christian that is like living in Lebanon back in early 1980s

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