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How can we pump some sun shine up Obama's ass today, while poking the voters in the eye?

Let me know how that works for you guys.

dublin hillz says

There are lots of reasons, but let’s start with what Obama represents in terms of identity. He is a progressive, intellectually elite, ethnically diverse, cosmopolitan who has an inclusive view of the world and all its complexity.

Umm, yeah-that is why he was elected twice by the same electorate?

Obama is a neoliberal who makes the occasional pandering statement or token exec order to appease LGBTQIA+/Racial Minorities. Because the Democratic Party is largely under the control of neoliberal cosmopolitan "Clintonistas", or American Blairtards, they can't adopt any strategy, like some mild economic nationalism, that would attract working class whites. You'd think Ferguson would have been his ideal opportunity to start reform of the Endless Fees-Private Prison Complex, but he didn't do jack and shit, and Jack left town.

He beat Romney because Romney was the very model of a slimy CEO type. His recorded remarks about the "47%" sunk his ass. He beat McCain because McCain dumped his allegedly milder domestic policy stances, people were biased against the Republicans because of Bush, and of course, Sarah Palin.

Barry conned much of the public into believing he was going to re-regulate the banks. The moment he won in 2008 he put all his pro-bank reform campaign advisers, who pundits said would be in positions of power in the Obama Admin, into useless White Paper Committees with no teeth.

Basically, Obama ran against two incredibly horrible Republican candidacies. Had he run against a Dole, Reagan, Ford, or even a Nixon, he may very well not have won.

You mean Barry?

dublin hillz says

"Why is there so much hatred toward Obama?

It must really piss off those who suffer from Obama Tourette Syndrome that he was the only President to have been elected twice by more than 50% of the electorate since Ike in 1952.

it's an interesting article (i'm always interested in motives and subtext) but the article itself doesn't even notice the whopping contradiction between this:

We have witnessed huge advances in the LGBT+ community, and more and more minority voices call for dismantling White privilege.

and this:

traditional, rural, conservative Christian Whites has been being hit hard over the past few decades. Their jobs have been shrinking, shipped overseas or filled by immigrants for lower pay. Their standard of living has been flat or decreasing. Their mental health is not good and they have been dying at alarming rates from suicide and drug addiction.

"White privilege" does not seem to be helping those folks in the least.

could it possibly be that they actually have no privilege whatsoever, only officially sanctioned scorn and discrimination?

Excellent article. Best analysis I have seen. I wonder whether TPB or other Trumpsters on Patrick.net agree.

but the article itself doesn't even notice the whopping contradiction between this

I didn't see a contradiction at all, but then maybe I'm one of those PC libruls.

Voices calling for dismantling of "White privelidge" does not imply that white privelege actually exists anymore, or that it exists all that much. On the other side, the "conservative Christian Whites has been being hit hard over the past few decades" aren't necessarily claiming consciously that their problems are due to their losing their "white privilege" and yet they are frightened by diversity and the trend towards whites being a minority.

could it possibly be that they actually have no privilege whatsoever, only officially sanctioned scorn and discrimination?

No, at least certainly not in all white communities in "flyover" country. But yes, the trend is moving towards that, which pisses them off.

Again, truly excellent analysis in my opinion. It's also a reason why, if Trump is not the republican candidate, and runs third party, things could get very interesting indeed.

Obama Sucks!

http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/#YYG0amMURFhrzi0B.03

A new poll, which still has Trump leading the race, shows 40 percent of blacks are lining up behind Trump, as are 45 percent of Hispanics, and even nearly 19 percent of Asians.

Only Dr. Ben Carson pulled more support from the black community than Trump, at 50 percent, and no one had more support from Hispanics than Trump. Among Asians, 37.5 percent supported Sen. Marco Rubio, with Sen. Ted Cruz matching Trump’s 18.8 percent.

zzyzzx says

A new poll, which still has Trump leading the race, shows 40 percent of blacks are lining up behind Trump, as are 45 percent of Hispanics, and even nearly 19 percent of Asians.

Sounds like total bullshit. They're trying to push things. "See everyone loves trump, you should too."

You can still get 5 to 1 on your money if you really believe this nonsense. Why not invest a thousand or two ?

http://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures

If you want to bet that Hilary is the next President, you have to bet 140 to get back 100 if you're right

If you want to bet on Trump, you bet 100 to get back 500 if he is our next POTUS

'White privilege' is a term used by upper and upper-middle class blacks, and assorted Marxists and other left radicals, to protect nonwhite privilege such as affirmative action (favored admissions, employment right of entry, and financial assistance). Poor and uneducated blacks do not generally benefit from nonwhite privilege any more than poor uneducated whites benefit from 'white privilege'.
It is also a left trump card (as in ace in the hole, not the Donald) that automatically wins any argument because your opponent is simply blinded by trump card 'white privilege' and has no right to argue against 'people of color, etc' who have been oppressed by 'white privilege'. Something akin to using trigger warnings and safe spaces to prohibit any non-left ideas from being discussed or used to counter left opinion. Mind control really.
As for LGBT advances, as a Libertarian what you do be you business and I oppose any laws controlling what consenting adults do in bed. However, I also believe you have the right to not like what consenting adults do in bed.
So both Trump and Clinton fail my measure.

georgeliberte says

'White privilege' is a term used by upper and upper-middle class blacks, and assorted Marxists and other left radicals, to protect nonwhite privilege

lol, perfect way to put it!

Ironman says:"Don't underestimate the power of the FSA (Free Shit Army)."

We need two list,one for Democrats & one for Republicans that are sucking the govt. teat for my tax dollar.

'White privilege' is defined by Rep/Con/Teas as Unregulated Free Market Capitalism.

Hey You from what I gathered on the internet it Unregulated Free Market Capitalism as defined by Rep/Con/Teas is the opposite of 'White Privilege' and involves H1B driven layoff of U.S. workers.

Patrick
I had a black/Native American girlfriend in grad school (poor underprivileged thing was only able to attend Princeton and had parents who were 1) A financial advisor, 2) a Research Biochemist- they liked me for some reason) who told me the a 'minority can never discriminate against a majority.' I asked if that meant she was down with apartheid by the South African white minority. Well, it turns out there are exceptions.

traditional, rural, conservative Christian Whites has been being hit hard over the past few decades. Their jobs have been shrinking, shipped overseas or filled by immigrants for lower pay. Their standard of living has been flat or decreasing. Their mental health is not good and they have been dying at alarming rates from suicide and drug addiction.

"White privilege" does not seem to be helping those folks in the least.

could it possibly be that they actually have no privilege whatsoever, only officially sanctioned scorn and discrimination?

Their problems and difficulties are shared by all groups as no one is immune from the economic forces. However, their "fatal" (literal and figurative) error is not realizing that their problems stem from the anti union attitudes and actions started by ronald raegan in the 1980s and continued 3 decades later in the form of anti union jihadists like scott walker. It's not someone taking their jobs, it's someone cutting their pay that's the real issue.

At any rate, committing suicide is probably the most ridiculous thing to do in the face of life's challenges. All problems can be solved; however, suicide has no mulligan.

Suicide= permanent solution to temporary problem.
I got into trouble at a seminar once when I admitted I had contemplated suicide, but with a twist. I planned to take as many of the SOBs with me as I could. High body county. Before any of that happened I decled tjh

. . .decided that somehow some way- I would overcome my seemingly insurmountable problems. I did and that is what never happened.
Unfortunately I apparently invaded some chicks safe space and provided no trigger warning, so she said she felt threatened- by me explaining why something did not happen. Oh well.

Reading the comments in a similar article, one of the respondents said that the Republican Party represents only white, heterosexual, Christian males (and I don't think they meant it in a complimentary way). Someone else responded that whether you like it or not, those people are still the backbone of the nation. And I said someone has to be an adult, a grown-up, who gets up every day, goes to work to keep the doors open and the lights on. When people are distracted by sex change, rehab-relapse, LBGT, redefining families as three mothers and four fathers, disabilities, don’t know what sex they are tangents, they probably don't get much work done.

"These individuals believe in a concrete, literal God that guided the Founding Fathers to construct an exceptional Christian nation."

Sounds pretty good to me, put us in good stead for 200 plus years--it's exactly what my mother and her generation, which was the last generation of real teachers, to teach real subjects in real schools taught. What’s the alternative, central planning (didn’t someone try that once)?

P N Dr Lo R says

which was the last generation of real teachers, to teach real subjects in real schools taught

www.youtube.com/embed/BbU4Cb4A4-o

I'm somewhat in agreement about this.

P N Dr Lo R says

When people are distracted by sex change, rehab-relapse, LBGT, redefining families as three mothers and four fathers, disabilities, don’t know what sex they are tangents, they probably don't get much work done.

Although, I'm tolerant anyway, even if I can't relate to putting so much energy into such things.

You can't hate an Obamafied desert mirage political delusion. You can only wonder at the puppet masters behind the Wizard of Oz.

dublin hillz says

"Why is there so much hatred toward Obama? There are lots of reasons, but let’s start with what Obama represents in terms of identity. He is a progressive, intellectually elite, ethnically diverse, cosmopolitan who has an inclusive view of the world and all its complexity.

Yep (minus progressive), and all that trumps -- no pun intended -- the fact that his policies are all extremely conservative.

- Health Care: Forget about everything progressives wanted. Forget about what Democrats have been pushing for the past two decades. Let's go with the Republican counterplan design by Romney.
- Militarism: Increase the warfare budget and give the Pentagon, the NSA, the TSA, and everyone else everything they want and more.
- Terrorism: Fuck the Constitution and all human rights. Give unrestrained power and zero accountability to any rouge agency that says its fighting terrorism. Keep torturing people.
- Economics: Secret trade packs that become law before the public can even view them? Absolutely. Big transnational corporations with no allegiance to any country need this to double their profits.
- Minority Rights: Give more money to cops the more they murder unarmed minorities including young children. Make sure none of them are prosecuted for their crimes.
- War on Drugs: Profitable. Expand it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were an alter to Ronald and Nancy Reagan in the Lincoln bedroom. Hold on Michelle, I'm getting hard looking at Ronnie!

And despite all this, angry, ignorant, white descendants of slavers still won't like him. He's like the girl who whores herself out to the entire football team at once and is surprised none of them will ask her to the prom.

thunderlips11 says

Obama is a neoliberal who makes the occasional pandering statement or token exec order to appease LGBTQIA+/Racial Minorities.

I've never heard the term neoliberal, but Obama is no liberal by any reasonable interpretation.

Google defines neoliberal as

relating to a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.

Given Obama's stance on torture, disregard of habeas corpus and open trials, and lack of concern for civil liberties, he's no liberal, neo or old.

And if Obama actually cared about free-market capitalism, he would have nothing to do with Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, which kills free markets by making the law effectively outlaw free markets in favor of the financial interests of big business. The copyright rules alone eliminate any kind of free market. The powers given to corporations to take public money if any local government competes with them eliminates free markets. The TPP seeks to establish the exact opposite of a free market.

thunderlips11 says

Basically, Obama ran against two incredibly horrible Republican candidacies. Had he run against a Dole, Reagan, Ford, or even a Nixon, he may very well not have won.

He barely won against McCain. The electoral map greatly exaggerates his victory. A few key counties around the world changed and McCain would have won.

"White privilege" does not seem to be helping those folks in the least.

It never did.

www.youtube.com/embed/bXWM84rUV-Q

jvolstad says

You mean Barry?

Funny how people give a shit about a name. They call him Barry and Hussein as if these names were significant. They are not.

If you can't criticize him for his policies -- which quite frankly would make you an idiot as there is much to criticize about his policies -- then you only look the fool for criticizing his name.

traditional

Superior

Alternative = counterfeit

P N Dr Lo R, sorry to disagree, but most of your statements seem founded on bias and not facts.
The Founding Fathers neither constructed an exceptional Christian nation nor did these individuals believe in a concrete, literal God that guided anything. They were in part atheists and deists as well as the protestant members. They specifically and intentionally prohibited a ‘founding religion’ in the First Amendment.
Redefined families are as old as history and most men (and some women) were serial monogamists who remarried often after the death of a spouse. My own family is a Franken family resulting from two the fragments of two previously divorced spouses’’ families. But, men also abandoned their families throughout history. And yes there were LBGT peoples throughout history. How much time do you seriously believe the average person spends ‘distracted’ by sex change, and rehab-relapse? Do you think the higher incidence of disabilities for past generations was not a lag on the economy?
Maybe when people are distracted by gods and other imaginary playmates they probably don't get much work done. Many of the past generations would be unable to grasp real subjects taught in real schools now. Kids are not stupid or lazy; we elders just do not completely grasp their world any more than my German Reform Minister ancestor in 1812 would be able to grasp my world- Planes, cars, cell phones, TV, computers, etc. Sorry, but this is the best time there ever has been in history to be alive, and we do owe much debt to past generations for getting us here.

Dan8267 says

I've never heard the term neoliberal, but Obama is no liberal by any reasonable interpretation.

Definition:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376

In reality, it's all about the power of capitalists. Unlike former forms of liberalism which emphasize liberty and a distribution of power, in neoliberalism inequity is okay so long as Market God is appeased.

jazz music says

And so most Americans don't really know what neoliberal means. I was tempted to get into the fray, but definitions is a tedious start and then there are trolls too fighting every little thing that doesn't fit their short list of memes from their "right wing team." (look up jingoism)

One of our big problems is how far removed we are from mainstream Western Terms. Much of this is because of Corporate Media Propaganda, trying to make everything into White/Black, Good/Evil Simplistic contests without having to delve into any nuance. Dry-drunks (on BOTH sides of the aisle) like this kind of thinking. A narrow Overton Window.

When we say Liberal, we really mean "Social". When we say "Conservative Economic Policies", we really mean the market aspects of Liberalism; in most countries Conservatism is linked to a Nationalist bent and can definitely include non-liberal economic policies of nationalization.

The real problem is that there is no Economic choice: both parties support "Free" Trade, which really means outsourcing and reimporting the foreign made goods without a tariff, while companies keep the money offshore to avoid paying taxes, along with guaranteeing IP rental income. And, the Overton Window on Foreign Policy is absurdly narrow.

The good news is that we are probably coming to an end of this 6th Party System, as there is too much conflict within the two parties; as soon as somebody figures out they can win by abandoning a huge chunk of their own party's platform on a key issue, and wins handily, the system will break down.

Two Faced Obama:

He said he “supports free and fair trade,” according to one attendee, and noted that he was “very concerned about a return to protectionism.”

Obama made similar comments last month during his trip to Canada — America’s largest trading partner — and has shied away from the NAFTA-bashing he engaged in during last year’s Democratic primary.

thunderlips11 says

6th Party System

Here's a good video on the six party systems in American history.

www.youtube.com/embed/PkltAl_cO5Y

And here's a not-so-informative video on the sixth party system.
www.youtube.com/embed/ePXXN5kBXKI

georgeliberte says

Maybe when people are distracted by gods and other imaginary playmates

I see variations on this all the time--it's right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook. He appropriately dedicated his book to Lucifer, the Father of Lies, because Alinsky was a liar and so are his followers.

Lucifer is an imaginary playmate also. He is considered the "Light Bearer." Cannot say I have or plan to read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals; but kudos to you P N Dr Lo R for taking the time.

Here it is:
https://archive.org/stream/RulesForRadicals/RulesForRadicals_djvu.txt

Hillary's always been for the insiders, and she didn't agree with Alinsky's basic premise.
http://patrick.net/The+Clintons+have+always+been+Right%2C+since+before+Bill+was+AG