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neplusultra57 says

Right, the Illuminati defense. The wingnut's trump card, worn and tattered. Yawn.

Great, happy to know being skeptical of politicians who are elected on the backs on hundreds of millions raised by special interests is the same as believing in the Illuminati.

neplusultra57 says

Make the trains run on time? Why do you think that? Every one of you lot say he's "an unknown" (as if that means something worthwhile [some further version of What the hell do you have to lose])

I'm pretty what Hillary is going to definitely do, based on her track record as an elected official and as SOS, and I definitely don't want it. I like what a lot of Trump is saying, though he has no track record. I'll take a risk on going to the Trump Towers for a Steak,instead of paying for a meal at Barf's Diner, and knowing I'm going to get a barf burger.

marcus says

neplusultra57 says

THEY'RE RIGGED!! ALL THE POLLS EXCEPT USC DORNSLIFE/LA Times ARE RIGGED!!

That is apparently what ZZYZZX thinks.

His brain is rigged.

How can you not understand the obvious. The obnoxious antics that endeared Trump to the republican base for primary season, are the same reason that his unfavorables with the moderate middle are EVEN worse than Hillary's.

Oh, the Z-man is just bustin' our chops, when he can. At this point bustin' chops on Patnet is more important than who wins the damn election. Trump is such a confused hump that no one really believes he has the chops to run this country (hell, he has hired a group of morons who JUST BARELY got him on the Minnesota ballot!) but Clinton's unfavorables are so high that we deserve to get as good as we give. Honestly, I don't know why anyone would want to president for the next four years.

thunderlips11 says

I'll take a risk on going to the Trump Towers for a Steak,

And he'll take your money. But if you do any work for him you'll get stiffed and end up in court. That's the only track record Trump has.

thunderlips11 says

hundreds of millions raised by special interests

So you plan to vote for the special interest. How much did the orangedouchebag give to Clinton over the years? @MakeCroniesGreatAgain

neplusultra57 says

So you plan to vote for the special interest.

When people try to convince me to vote Hillary:

"Dost thou not know Hillary is the fairest, and purest maiden of the land?"

I'm not voting for a crazy old lady who thinks Vladimir Putin is behind everything from Alex Jones, Brexit, to Pepe the Frog Memes and Monica Lewinskiy.

Ironman says

A list of everything Donald Trump runs that has his name on it

Among other things, they required Trump to list all entities for which he serves as an executive. Of the 515 listed in the disclosure, 268 of them—52%—contain his last name and don’t clearly reference someone else.

You are probably the only person on the planet that is actually dumb enough to believe trump is "running" 515 corporations. Get you tongue out of the donalds ass.

At the debates:

"Hillary, I know you can be brought, because I brought you."

Pow. Game Over.

thunderlips11 says

When people try to convince me to vote Hillary:

Wouldn't dream of trying to convince you of voting for the Scarlett Whore. But you are on to begging your eighteenth question about anything dispositive re: the orangedouchebag. So far you've said he ain't nuthin' and it's plenty gudenov for you. Glorious in fact.

Just ask yourself: WWPD?

neplusultra57 says

But you are on to begging your eighteenth question about anything dispositive re: the orangedouchebag.

I wish you would strawman less about the Illuminati and the Alt Right.

Again, I'll buy a random bus ticket to anywhere rather than bus ticket to Hell.

The desperation is really setting in

These Hillary voters don't even know why they are supporting her. Trump is just so scary. Propaganda works

thunderlips11 says

I wish you would strawman less about the Illuminati and the Alt Right.

I wish you'd stop avoiding all the reasons why you "can't stand" Trump. Your random ticket takes you on a 40 year right-wing destruction of labor, civil rights, voting rights, marriage rights, education, pollution law, not to mention the abolition of teaching evolution in schools, the fairness doctrine, and talking about climate change. Details, details, these minor 'culture wars" are just so much fluff. There needs to be some punishin' a goin' hyar!

Sbh, why did you scrap the old account for this new alias?

I see Clinton as the best chance of avoiding or at least mitigating a corporatist victory

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Does not compute

You guys are just projecting your emotions wrt democrats vs republicans. If Clinton were running as a republican, and Trump as a democrat, i sm certain that you'd be voting for Trump just to save us from the evil Clinton

Republican Ten Commandments:

jazz music says

1. Repeal Obamacare: If you can't afford insurance, just die. (alternatives have been "alluded to" (trotted out rhetorically) but no alternative has ever been detailed)

2. You can't marry whom you love: marry whom we tell you to marry.

3. If your fetus dies inside you, or has a chromosomal abnormality incompatible with life, we want you to wait a few months to give birth when you're good and sick. Insurance companies shouldn't have to fund birth control, but every man should have Viagra (we don't care if he's married, but unmarried women who have sex are sluts)

4. We won't fund repair for roads and bridges.

5. We won't fund any research. (or even allow tax credits for it)

6. We don't like feeding the poor (even though we would love the image of being Christian)

7. There should be guns everywhere at all times so that if a nutcase starts shooting, everyone can start shooting.

8. We won't fund the VA adequately, but we will complain loudly when the VA fails to deliver good results.

9. We don't want to pay soldiers adequately or make sure they can get jobs when they come back, but we will jump on the Go To War bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

10. We will do everything we can to support the ultra rich because they are the ones giving us money to get re elected. (To be fair, Democrats do this, too, but it's not carved into their mission statement)

And Trump is not your father okay? He doesn't care

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You have me confused for someone else. I'm not a Trump supporter.

errc says

These Hillary voters don't even know why they are supporting her.

I know why I'm supporting her. I don't even see her all that negatively, although I don't like listening to he speeches all that much. I think she will be a decent President if the asshole republicans don't spend all of their energy fighting her.

If the choice were between her and say Kasich, I would seriously consider Kasich, only because I think our system is so broken that it might take a republican to get things done. We wouldn't have to listen to the cry baby dysfunctional scum bag obstructionists 24/7.

Speaking of which, I'm not looking forward to that aspect of Hillary's presidency. It's not going to be fun.

Repealing Obamacare should be at the top of any free thinking, sensible Americans list. It is Republican legislation, written by corporate lobbyists and The Heritage Foundation, named after Obama in order to gain unquestioning support from the kind of Simpletons that go "dem good rep bad" without giving it any further thought.

Fortunately, obamacare is collapsing under the weight of its own shittiness as we speak. So we the people may just slip one past the plutocracy by default, without having to defeat Clinton to make it happen.

Pence is terrible.

jazz music says

Are you ready to defund Planned Parenthood? Keep Citizen's United? Expand campaign financing freedoms? Repeal Dodd-Frank? Do you deny man's impact on climate change? Ready to privatize and reduce Social Security? Like the flat rate tax idea? Back Israel against Iran? Expand NAFTA type deals? Against condoms? Against gay marriage? Against stem cell research?

And that would be just the administration. The Court would be even worse.

marcus says

Assuming that epussy ultra is me ?

If so, I'll take that as a compliment, because jazz music is a very intelligent and savvy observer.

jesus h christ on a popsicle stick. how many accounts do you have here?

Found on the internet:
I saw two different Amish families in two different states last week, and both stopped to hand me anti-globalism booklets and tell me about Trump.

zzyzzx says

Found on the internet:

I saw two different Amish families in two different states last week, and both stopped to hand me anti-globalism booklets and tell me about Trump.

Found on the internet:
When I saw that both anti-globalism booklets were printed in Malaysia I told the families and they said I was too Politically Correct.

This thread is the delusion thread. And someone forgot to turn italics off. Now it's even italics in the comment box, that's okay, I went back and started this comment with the end italics tag, now it's good.

Carry on with your delusions.

thunderlips11 says

Notice we're not hearing much about Indy Voters this year... usually the MSM is obsessed with their vote... wonder why. :)

This morning on the news it sounds like now Nate is trying to reverse Nate Trump's votes.
By saying his Independent and Undecided advantage filter he used to apply to HIllary may have given Trump an unfair advantage.

Time for this delusion thread to get it's monthly reality check. This time with RCs average of polls. (obviously most of them are rigged ?)

Let's see, at this time in 2012, Obama was up by, very little, it was almost tied. But then it went heavy in Obama's favor after that (maybe more poll rigging, right ?)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

How about 2008 ? Also close to tied at this point, then McCain was briefly ahead, before things swung strongly toward Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

SO yeah, a lot of action in the last 8 weeks the last couple elections. Hey, Maybe Trump can pull an Obama, and get a lot of young coters, women, and minorities out for in the final stretch. OR perhaps there are a lot of old angry white voters that Trump hasn't reached yet ? We'll see. I'll check back with you after a couple of the debates have happened.

Again, as you were, back to your delusions.

Ironman says

Plus, the Margin of Error is 3% - 4%, so your chart has them dead even (even with the over-sampling).

Hah. King of the dimbulbs. It's the average of a bunch of polls that have a margin of error of about 3% on average. The margin of error on the average of all of these is going to be MUCH smaller.

But even if it were a 4% margin of error, your interpretation is stupid. IT would be just as likely that she's up 8% as up zero, but far more likely that she's up 4% than either of the extremes. But again, this is an average of a lot of polls with avg MOE of 3%. The margin of error on the average is probably under 1%.

Also, for the record, apparently you have close to no idea what margin of error means.