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Diversity has a way of destroying civic engagement

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From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

No, without a doubt it makes the GOVERNMENT stronger. Remember 1984:

War is Peace - peace for the Inner Party, provided there's always war, there's little chance of revolt because there's an external enemy.

Freedom is Slavery - freedom for those in the Inner Party, provided the Outer Party and Proles are kept in slavery, the Inner Party has complete freedom.

Ignorance is Strength - strength for the Inner Party, provided the Outer Party and Proles are kept in ignorance, the Inner Party has strength.

Diversity is Strength - provided that the population is at continual war with one another, the government has strength and is not threatened by the population.

They are following 1984 like a manual, it's obvious now, blatantly obvious.

Our common interests are our strength, our differences are the government's strengths. This is why there's such a scramble to keep us divided. The population has common goals, they ignore that. Who wants us to go to war? Who wants higher taxes? Who wants more government regulation? Who wants more government meddling in our lives? Who wants propaganda? Nobody does, but we never talk about these issues, because our "news" media never talks about these issues.

1984 applied to today is absolutely incredible

HeadSet says

Patrick says

Just like Japan - very non-diverse and low crime

FUCKING NAZIS!!

Patrick says

I think the solution for the US is strong borders and strict requirements for any new citizens, so that the people who are already here establish a better sense of unity as Americans.

If immigrants to the US were likely to vote conservative, US would probably have strong borders and an immigration and outsourcing system that was pro-US.

Patrick says

Hircus says

I feel like the USA has become something more akin to a mega corp which has no loyalty to their peon employee laborers (citizens) and is only interested in maximal profit and continuance of power for its ruling class (the shareholders). Keep in mind one of the most significant and reliable ways for a mega corp to continue increasing profits is to sell to a growing customer base, and a growing population is a superb, easy, and reliable way to do it.

This is strongly analogous to the late Roman Empire, which was essentially a corporation which kept expanding the citizen base for the benefit of the ruling class in Rome.

But in the long run, there was no longer any unity as Romans. Roman soldiers no longer wanted to fight, so the elite hired mercenaries from the Goths, etc, who, having the military power and better unity, to...

Is there any foreseeable reason to hope for things to change? Not in my lifetime, I think.

Afgans are all Muslims still continuous fights.

Iceland is too cold n not worth fight. Low sparce population.

But rest of Europe is mostly white yet most countries n people hate each other. They had ww1 , ww2 and continuous wars. French n briish wars. Germania tribe wars. England tries to kill Irish n Scottish people many times. These are rich countries so it wasn't lack of food that made them kill each other. It's true hate n cruelty. Now russia started possible ww3. When European came to North America they killed of most natives.
It appears having europeans around is most dangerous. Even to themselves :)

There is women n men so there is always sex diversity. Singapore , NY city etc all diverse they do well. Diversity works well in middle n upper classes. It doesn't work well for poor.

A few corrections:

The English colonized Ireland and Scotland, but it wasn't hate, really, just expansion of power and extraction of resources like food. Very much like what the English did in India.

Also, Europeans did not kill most of the American Indians. About 90% of them simply died from being exposed to new diseases. They have since recovered to the point where there are more American Indians now than at the time of European contact. Their population was quite small except in Mexico, where it remains large.

The "smallpox blanket" hoax was invented as propaganda.

NYC is not doing well. It's quite dangerous and you're likely to be assaulted by someone who doesn't look like you.

Singapore is a mostly Chinese city, not diverse:

74.3% Chinese
13.5% Malay
9.0% Indian

KgK one says

Afgans are all Muslims still continuous fights.

There are many sub groups/tribes among Afghan and these tribes fight amongst each other. However, the inspiration for violence for all Muslims comes from their holy book of domination by peace and violence.

Singapore is amazing

https://twitter.com/todayyearsoldig/status/1575222514342539265

People feel that safe only when there is very little diversity. The more diversity, the less they trust their fellow citizens.

The good news is that given enough time with very little immigration and a strong dominant culture, people tend to intermarry, to homogenize, and to trust one another again. They all feel part of the same country and not part of some resentful splinter group.

The Danes leaving their babies outside in strollers is supposed to be a fresh air annealing process for their health. Or, maybe, it's just to keep the vampires from coming inside.

Diversity:

https://youtube.com/shorts/t4rJHkBsqV8?feature=share

Patrick says

People feel that safe only when there is very little diversity. The more diversity, the less they trust their fellow citizens.

I'd agree. I think small towns are more important though and staying away from big cities and suburbs. Even if they're not diverse. Nearish to me would be Naperville, IL or Geneva, IL where I once lived. Large suburban populations and mostly white. Probably 90% white. I didn't enjoy it to be honest. I don't like stop lights and people grouped close together without land/yard.

Now my town is 95% white, 4% hispanic and 1% black roughly (one being my nephew). Damn near everyone knows me and I've only been here 8 years. I'm an elected official on a board. It's so much easier to have control and input in a small town. The federal government and state government are all outside noise really. When my friends are on the village board and school board, I can get my voice out there.

I really don't like diversity. I like unique if I'm traveling. So a place like NOLA is fun. I've had fun in a place like Phoenix, but it's just so bland. I like the Caribbean the best. Fun people. They don't give a shit. Can be rough around the edges, but having worked in Chicago I can handle it.

Small towns have generally less crime all over world. Almost everyone knows each other and everyone has job /purpose so they kinda need everyone.

Regarding native americans they were treated pretty bad.
"Also, Europeans did not kill most of the American Indians. About 90% of them simply died from being exposed to new diseases. They have since recovered to the point where there are more American Indians now than at the time of European contact. Their population was quite small except in Mexico, where it remains large."

Natives americans literally helped original Europeans who didn't know how to farm, n fed them hence thanksgiving. Then it's pretty cruel how Europeans took over their land, enslaved and massacarred with them with guns. Pretty sure those treaties were not explained well and took full advantage. It's pretty hard to belive people just voluntarily left their ancestral home. So many times natives were moved from their own land. So many died from these moves and emotional issues . Diseases killed them but wars to land grab , getting kicked out own land killed many as well.

There is comfort in thinking same type group is better but diversity is needed for advancement of humanity, mix helps to see what works best. When Europeans enslaved n brought back ideas from world renesances started.

If people like Hitler who think blond hair n blue eye people are better and all should be same, then rest of European whites would have been killed. Irony is lot of defender of homogeniality world have been killed foe having brunette or black hair :). Scary how Europeans have tried to kill each other so many times just to get homogeniality.

Ultimately Darwin survival of fittest works. Equator with lot of sun requires dark skin with melanin. Whites will get cancer n die there. Far from equator with less sun areas ,light skin allows more sun rays absorbing.

KgK one says

Small towns have generally less crime all over world. Almost everyone knows each other and everyone has job /purpose so they kinda need everyone.

True.

KgK one says

Natives americans literally helped original Europeans who didn't know how to farm, n fed them hence thanksgiving.

I'm not sure that that story is true, but it definitely was not the usual case if so.

KgK one says

enslaved and massacarred with them with guns.

Were Indians enslaved or massacred with guns by white people? I don't think that was common. On the other hand, the Indians commonly enslaved and massacred each other, and would also take slaves from white people and massacre them where they could.

Of course there were many very different Indian groups, some more warlike than others.

KgK one says

Pretty sure those treaties were not explained well and took full advantage.

I agree there. The cultures were radically different. None of the Indian groups could really understand European culture at first.

KgK one says

It's pretty hard to belive people just voluntarily left their ancestral home.

Did someone claim that?

KgK one says

There is comfort in thinking same type group is better but diversity is needed for advancement of humanity, mix helps to see what works best.

The original article proves that diversity inevitably has large harmful effects, and you can see it for yourself everywhere.

I agree that cultures need to evolve and to adopt good ideas from each other. The Japanese tried to totally isolate for centuries, but eventually were forced to open up to the rest of the world because their isolation made them militarily weak. On the other hand, it is exactly Japan's ethnic homogeneity which makes it a high-trust society.

It's quite dishonest to say that "Europeans enslaved" without noting that millions of Europeans were enslaved by Arabs (the word slave comes from the word "slav") and that pretty much every culture had slavery. The Africans literally captured other Africans from other tribes and sold them to traders on the coasts.

Currently, India is worst offender: https://scroll.in/article/898862/india-is-home-to-the-worlds-largest-slave-population-yes-slavery-still-exists

Indians are by far the most racist people on earth:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries

To blame all white people for Hitler is offensive, given that Hitler killed more white people than anyone else.

True, white people are white simply because it was an advantage in northern climates to have light skin to get more Vitamin D. They do get more skin cancer when they move to very sunny places.

No one is claiming that all whites are like Hitler. That's ridiculous. Most white people are amazing. Hitler was big on homogenety blond hair blue eyes. Agree he killed lot of whites and probably would have killed lot more if not stopped. Point is people pushing homogeneous culture many times think their culture is best and want to get rid of everyone. Europeans have most to fear from themselves, only exception may be muslims. Muslims are very Homogeneous for most part, and it's scary for rest.

https://scroll.in/article/898862/india-is-home-to-the-worlds-largest-slave-population-yes-slavery-still-exists
It's sad that these conditions still exist. They used the term slave like condition, not really slaves. Slavery is illegal. When British came India's GDP was 25% of the world but when they left it was 4%. So poverty may cause many people to work in labor jobs or whatever jobs they can find. No one is forcing them to work but they have to take any job that they can get.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries
This is hard to believe given that it is one of the most diverse. It has tons of Christians, Muslims many off shoots off Hindu( Jain ,Buddhist, and sikh and so many more). People typically don't migrate to poor countries. So not many people move in. North East people are similar to Chinese. Northeast Greeks and Mongols n afgans, persians were mixed. British, French, n other countries had trading posts n towns, there was mixing there. As for complexion, you can find really white n really black people.
So many people migrated into india to escape genocide.
E.g Dali lama, parsis, zorashtrians, ... except for Muslims, most have assimilated , Muslims tried to kill n convert everyone.
Wapo is faking these surveys, their surveys are like Hilary was 100% president.

Yeah like Tower of Babel and King Nimrod firing an arrow into the sky. We got diversity alright from that. Seems like a good analogy as far as chaos of diversity.

This Youtube video is from a late 1970s TV movie I recall watching as a very young kid. It was a series of movies of the Bible. I believe it was from this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible:_In_the_Beginning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhZDmdf8w0w

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Patrick says

Correct, diversity is not a strength. Well, it's not a strength for the citizens, that is.

This should be every country's and every corporation's slogan:

Diversity is a disaster.

Meaning, that to deliberately bring in anyone just because of "diversity" is a massive loss for group cohesion.

It also undermines the desire to work, because you can see that your accomplishments and abilities do not matter as much as belonging to a favored race, such black or Hispanic.

The right answer is to stress unity as Americans, and not consider or talk about race at all, ever. Though obviously I have to mention it here to object.

Not just a loss for group cohesion, its being used as a tool for destroying group cohesion, so that the group can be weakened and thus controlled. What does control mean? It means economic exploitation

I think the Japanese understand this clearly, which is why they have essentially zero immigration. They have an aging population like the West, but even older. Still, they choose to deal with it on their own terms.

I think this is possible because the Japanese, living in a homogeneous country, still have a strong sense of civic virtue:

https://patrick.net/post/1378324/2023-01-19-civic-virtue-is-not-profitable-so-how

Patrick says

I live in Cuyahoga County in Ohio. It is believed that you have to have a certain name, for example Irish sounding name, to get elected in certain governmental positions, meaning, that people are voting based on ethnicity. This is one example but there might be other examples. So, its incorrect to say that whites gave up in-group preferences. It is a first world, luxury belief that exists among people who are either rich or seek power. If whites gave up in-group preferences, why did they do it? There are two possible answers to this, money (corporate profits) or power (political power). No one put a gun to white people and forced them to give up in-group preferences. No one put a gun to white people and forced them to send their jobs overseas or give visas to people from incompatible cultures. These were deliberate choices.

Like Joe Pesci's character notes in all mafia movies, its all about the dollah.

Stefan Molyneux was making important arguments, he should not have been Snowdened.

gabbar says

If whites gave up in-group preferences, why did they do it?

They did it because business interests used psychological warfare, mostly on white women, to make them feel guilty so that business owners could import and use much cheaper labor. I think that's about all there is to it.

Patrick says

They did it because business interests used psychological warfare, mostly on white women, to make them feel guilty so that business owners could import and use much cheaper labor. I think that's about all there is to it.

I think there is a plan to break up American families through various methods so that they can be controlled and economically exploited. And yes, women have been brainwashed and this has made break up (high divorce rate etc.) easier.

https://notthebee.com/article/youve-gotta-watch-this-vice-panel-on-asian-hate-where-one-dude-has-to-stand-against-all-the-wokies-and-try-to-talk-common-sense

So, if Mexico demanded that US makes Spanish a second official language, shall we cave in or tell them ro fuck off?

We don't any official language in the US. Strange but true.

Patrick says

We don't any official language in the US. Strange but true.

De-facto we do.

Dan8267 says

I have no problem stating that I want immigrants to be intelligent, educated, and liberal. And yes, being liberal should be a requirement of immigrating to any western nation. Western civilization is founded on liberal principles and if a person disagrees with democracy, liberty, equality under law, etc. then they cannot be assimilated into our society. Hell, we should even require that people are not affiliated with any religion and fully accept science and reject all supernatural nonsense (superstitions). We need people who are intelligent, rational, and believe in liberty.

Muslims will not assimilate with the majority; they would want the majority to assimilate with them because they are superior because of their religion.

Patrick says

gabbar says

If whites gave up in-group preferences, why did they do it?

They did it because business interests used psychological warfare, mostly on white women, to make them feel guilty so that business owners could import and use much cheaper labor. I think that's about all there is to it.

You know, that would make a good meme:

gabbar says

Muslims will not assimilate with the majority; they would want the majority to assimilate with them because they are superior because of their religion.

Yes, and this is another point of similarity between the US and the Roman Empire.

The Romans were successful at assimilating most people, but they found the Jews indigestible and ultimately crushed them. Yet in the long term, an offshoot of Judaism (Christianity) colonized Rome.

America is successful at assimilating most people, but Muslims are similarly indigestible. It will be interesting to see what happens in the long run.

Muslims do not assimilate anywhere or get along. While minority they talk Equality, once majority they kill off whole culture, historic buildings , etc.

About 200 to 600 years ago afganistan , Pakistan, Indonesia, bangladesh were all diverse non Muslim now 100% Muslim. Few years back they were destroying 5 story Buddha statues in afganistan.

Abrahmic religion jews, Islam n Christianity are at war for longest time.

KgK one says

About 200 to 600 years ago afganistan , Pakistan, Indonesia, bangladesh were all diverse non Muslim now 100% Muslim. Few years back they were destroying 5 story Buddha statues in afganistan.

Do you know why they did this?

Western nations were offering to help restore the statues, but Afghanistan had been at war with the USSR for years, and was desperately poor. They had starvation at the time, but the West wouldn't help, but they offered to protect the statues, but not help the people.

Our media never mentioned that.