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Not the case for other jobs. When I hire contractors to work on the house or yard, illegals do indeed compete with citizens. E.g., landscaping jobs. I am always surprised when what appear to be citizens show up to bid on work. Yes, American citizens are engaged in landscaping work, and they face competition from illegals. Ditto basic carpentry jobs.

US agricultural interests have always worked with the gubberment to allow farmworkers entry into the USA. That is one reason why US immigration law that banned folks from Africa, Asia and Europe did not apply to those south of the border.

Dan8267 says

So bitch all you want, zzyzzx. That doesn't change the verifiable facts, the hard-core evidence, the empirical examples that all disprove everything you've said and confirm what I've stated all along. You can call evidence bullshit if it contradicts your position, but everyone knows it's you that's full of bullshit, not reality. The most basic scientific principle is that if reality contradicts your theory, it's your theory that's wrong, not reality.

What a load of crap. All your "empirical" examples, actually they are anecdotal examples, talk about low wages. Did you read what you posted?

For years, Rhodes has had trouble finding Americans willing to grab a knife and stand 10 or more hours a day in a cold, wet room for minimum wage and skimpy benefits.

Martin says wages, benefits and labor conditions for farm workers have remained relatively poor for decades because of the steady stream of illegal immigrant labor.

Few are willing or able to perform the physically taxing and low paying labor

But some organizations, such as the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, argue the problem is farmers’ unwillingness to pay sufficient wages and provide acceptable working conditions. If they offered those things, farmers would be able to find local workers to fill their labor needs, the center has argued.

Right from your posted articles. So yea if people have a choice of $8.00 an hour at mcdonalds or $8.00 doing backbreaking work out in the sun they will choose mcd's.

bob2356 says

What a load of crap. All your "empirical" examples, actually they are anecdotal examples, talk about low wages. Did you read what you posted?

Hey Bob, you got another post that actually makes sense. But it wont be for long, just wait and see.

bob2356 says

All your "empirical" examples, actually they are anecdotal examples

I don't think you know what those words mean.

empirical: based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

anecdotal: not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

The examples I gave most certainly are based on facts, not personal accounts, and verifiable by observation. The evidence has been independently verified by several sources. You can't get more empirical than that.

Look, I understand that you want to dismiss evidence that contradicts your world view, but you just can't throw around terms that don't apply and magic that evidence out of existence. That's not how reality works. Facts are persistent no matter how much you dislike them.