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That is quite sad and I feel very sad for her children as well. I missed this thread. I know its too late. Please accept my deepest sympathy to her and her family.

I think the best motive clue here is the life insurance policy.

If I recall, TD's husband had financial problems earlier due to some politics at a clinic he was at. And the article also says that they were self-employed, running a clinic, which usually has a ton of overhead including liability insurances, etc, It's not like in finance, where one's capital is simply about moving others' capital around.

All and all, if the motive is true then it's a matter of disguising a blunt instrument attack into looking like a fall, unless drugs were involved, which could possibly show up in an autopsy report.

An Investigator called me last year, asking me if I have ever been to SF, or the Patnet meet up.
He had some questions because I told her that She must have a cool Husband, and because of my response upon hearing about her death.
I said because she was well liked, it came as a big shocker to everyone at Patnet.
I thought it was weird that I was getting called. I always wondered if he put them on Patnet members trail to shake the investigators off his trail.

Even if you hate your wife how could you kill the mother of your children, if he did murder her for money or it was premeditated in any way he is a psycho.

Tenpoundbass says

I always wondered if he put them on Patnet members trail to shake the investigators off his trail.

Here's the thing, this is an anonymous forum. This isn't some "Rochester University" alumni meetup board, where ppl share a lot of personal history, even if they didn't meet up back in school. And thus, the fact that anyone, like her husband, would even think of "extra personalizing" the anonymous board as way of developing a type of personal narrative, is almost like asking to be investigated.

RC2006 says

if he did murder her for money or it was premeditated in any way he is a psycho

No, just another criminal but of a white collar background. I don't believe a true psychopath would have used PatNet to spread the news. What would have happened then is that one day in 2016, TD stops posting, and that's the last anyone hears about her, swiftly forgetting her in 6 or so months.

RC2006 says

Even if you hate your wife how could you kill the mother of your children, if he did murder her for money or it was premeditated in any way he is a psycho.

Pushing someone down the stairs would be in imprecise way to murder. How do you know the person would be killed? And if not, you go to jail. Heat of the moment more likely, assuming the spouse did it. Of course she may have been killed before, and then a fall down the stairs staged. Blow to the head, maybe, but cervical dislocation, probably not.

RC2006 says

Even if you hate your wife how could you kill the mother of your children, if he did murder her for money or it was premeditated in any way he is a psycho.

Sick bastard.

Why do I have a feeling this will end up as a 48 Hours Mystery on CBS. I wonder if our fearless leader will be subpoenaed to testify to the veracity of any of her pat.net messages.

EBGuy says

Why do I have a feeling this will end up as a 48 Hours Mystery on CBS. I wonder if our fearless leader will be subpoenaed to testify to the veracity of any of her pat.net messages.

It might very well be there. Someday, Patrick, as a new celebrity, may find himself on TMZ.

BTW, I work in finance and thus, know a bit about crooks.

The average crook is good at deflection towards narratives, others on the team, etc, etc.

A true psychopath, however, needs none of the aforementioned because for the most part, he doesn't emotionally react to anything. The fact that he says things like 'It's been done' w/o hesitation or needing to reference a case study, imparts a sense of mastery to his target audience. Usually, it takes a long time for such a person to come to justice and as we know about Angelo Mozilo, that didn't really amount to much.

I loved the way TD tangled with Iwog and left him skinned and yelping away every time over his male dominance chauvinism issues.

Rapid cremation of an 'accident' victim is a suspicion amplifier right there. I would hope it wouldn't be true. She talked a lot about her struggles getting the business going and the risks/rewards. She handled the stresses with aplomb.

Ceffer says

I loved the way TD tangled

My blasts with TD were about the notion that relationships and marriage were intrinsically useless and ripe for exploitation. The fact that she thought that hers was an example of its success has got to be the biggest irony of them all.

Ceffer says

Rapid cremation of an 'accident' victim is a suspicion amplifier right there.

I have also noticed this from watching various TV shows, particularly on the Justice Network. That, and usually no autopsy.

I can imagine the questioning...
TMZ: "Patrick, did turtledove ever post about troubles in her family, especially with her husband?"
PATRICK: "FUCK THE REALTORS! FUCKEM!!! THEY CAN GO TO FUCKIN REALTOR HELL!!! GO TO REALTOR HELL REALTORS!!! FUCK YOU REALTORS!!"

Rin says

It might very well be there. Someday, Patrick, as a new celebrity, may find himself on TMZ.

Wow, I’m eager to learn what lead to the arrest...

I’d like to be a fly on the wall when AF gets deposed.

Quigley says

I’d like to be a fly on the wall when AF gets deposed.

Ahahahaha! That would be epic!

Btw my guess is IWOG in the study with the candle stick.

What do I win?

jazz_music says

BlueSardine says

PATRICK: "FUCK THE REALTORS! FUCKEM!!! THEY CAN GO TO FUCKIN REALTOR HELL!!! GO TO REALTOR HELL REALTORS!!! FUCK YOU REALTORS!!"

AND I BELIEVE IN TRUMP NO MATTER WHAT!!

Off to the sanitarium with you!

CovfefeButDeadly says

I’d like to be a fly on the wall when AF gets deposed.

That is some funny shit

jazz_music says

AND I BELIEVE IN TRUMP NO MATTER WHAT!!

About time you confessed.

BlueSardine says

I can imagine the questioning...
TMZ: "Patrick, did turtledove ever post about troubles in her family, especially with her husband?"
PATRICK: "FUCK THE REALTORS! FUCKEM!!! THEY CAN GO TO FUCKIN REALTOR HELL!!! GO TO REALTOR HELL REALTORS!!! FUCK YOU REALTORS!!"

Rin says

It might very well be there. Someday, Patrick, as a new celebrity, may find himself on TMZ.

I love it! I still feel bad for Turtledove and her kids, but yes that's pretty much what I'd say.

antiforum

EBGuy says

a feeling this will end up as a 48 Hours Mystery on CBS

"Users on the website Philip dot biz reported that the user known as ButtonQuail complained that her husband something something..."

Any updates as to the Doc's demise?

Last I read was this:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/california-fertility-doctor-charged-murder-205033783.html

Could this be a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome? Turtledove, to my recollection, supported Trump, often quite eloquently. She seemed to be a party of one in that support, arguing with family about it (based on posts here). Her death/probable murder occurred the weekend after Trump's election. Worth considering, IMO.

Could this be a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome? Turtledove, to my recollection, supported Trump, often quite eloquently. She seemed to be a party of one in that support, arguing with family about it (based on posts here). Her death/probable murder occurred the weekend after Trump's election. Worth considering, IMO.

She definitely didn't marry him for his looks. What a creeper!

Patrick did you try calling the police department mentioned in the article, the information you have might help them solve the case. It might clear the man or prove otherwise, but it might be helpful.

goofus says

Turtledove, to my recollection, supported Trump, often quite eloquently.

What's your old username? Kind of weird to create two accounts on the same day and comment on something that you seem interested in.... by making the death of someone previously active here political. Low class stuff man, her family has checked in on this site in the past. Hope you got your fun in for the day. Jesus.

just_dregalicious says

What a creeper!

Yep, those crazy starring eyes.