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Equal post-conception rights for men


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2017 Jan 19, 7:41am   70,277 views  335 comments

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Unmarried men should have equal post-conception rights including ability to refuse financial obligation for a child where the woman unilaterally decides to continue the pregnancy.

Let's call it the affirmative consent law, requiring men to give affirmative consent to paternity.

This would achieve equality with a woman's "her body her choice" right to ignore the man's request for an abortion or to give the child up for adoption. Rights which only women have.

If she has the right to refuse responsibility for the baby, he should also have the right to refuse responsibility for the baby. In recognition of the biological reality that it is the woman who physically has to have the abortion, if she wants to abort, the man should have to pay the entire financial cost of the abortion.

Married men should be assumed by the fact of marriage to have given their consent to financial support for legitimate biological paternity.

It is not fair that a woman should have the right to entrap a man with one night sex, obligating him to 20 years or more of financial liability, when she has the right to simply opt out of the same situation via abortion or giving up the baby for adoption. Without a man's affirmative consent to paternity, it's rape.

#politics



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216   missing   2017 Jan 25, 7:47am  

Dan8267 says

It's pretty sad that you two losers think that calling someone gay is an insult.

No, not at all!

I feel bad for teasing you for not having children.

Don't let your anger could your thinking.

217   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 2:18pm  

Looks like I've upset piggy. Or maybe CIC is just still upset because I exposed him for the dumbass he is.

Ironman says

Dan8267 says

WiFi repeaters attached to solar panels. Self-sustaining. No need for electricity.

I bet they work really well at night.

Dan8267 says

Ironman says

I bet they work really well at night.

Yes, because of something called a rechargeable battery, dumb ass.

What a moron. Its no surprise that an idiot like this has no friends.

Hey CIC, honest question. When was the last time you had sex with a new woman? For me it was last week. Two of them. Suck it.

218   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 5:34pm  

Dan8267 says

Hey CIC, honest question. When was the last time you had sex with a new woman?

Look who just got silent all of a sudden.

219   Rin   2017 Jan 25, 5:42pm  

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Hey CIC, honest question. When was the last time you had sex with a new woman?

Look who just got silent all of a sudden.

I think CIC needs a retirement hobby, more than a place to stick his cock.

Seriously, when I'm done with this traveling PR stint, you won't be hearing me on PatNet 7x24. I'd be very busy on my other hobbies and activities.

In contrast, CIC has nothing else to do with his life because he's society's bitch, completely pussywhipped by his wife and family. That's why he's here 7x24.

220   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 7:13pm  

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Hey CIC, honest question. When was the last time you had sex with a new woman?

Still waiting for the answer. Why are you so scared of answering it? Has it been that long? If anyone needs a hand, it's you.

221   Rin   2017 Jan 25, 7:14pm  

Ironman says

....whining and carrying on because you don't have a significant other in your life. We can only hope you disappear with your pathetic life.

I can see why that is, who would want to spend ANY time with a drunk who's infested with all types of STD's...

So sad to be you.

So you're so happy with your significant other ... that you're on this forum 7X24, instead of either kissing your soulmate or perhaps, writing your great American novel. That sounds like a very typical pussywhipped American man, whose wife had stopped putting out, years ago.

The fact that you're even responding to me, instead of having something more meaningful to do with your free time, shows that you're a pathetic loser.

222   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 7:18pm  

Piggy is certainly unhappy with his marriage. That is why he's jealous of all the single guys. He's obsessed with hating us because our lives are so much happier than he can ever imagine his being. That's also the reason he's a troll. No happy person spends his time trying to upset strangers on the Internet. Only pathetic losers do that.

Piggy hasn't had sex with a new woman in 40+ years. I suspect that his fat, ugly wife is just a beard. It would explain his obsession with all things gay. But maybe he would be happier if he just let some guy fuck his ass. He's obviously a self-hating bottom.

223   Rin   2017 Jan 25, 7:20pm  

Dan8267 says

Piggy is certainly unhappy with his marriage. That is why he's jealous of all the single guys. He's obsessed with hating us because our lives are so much happier than he can ever imagine his being. That's also the reason he's a troll. No happy person spends his time trying to upset strangers on the Internet. Only pathetic losers do that.

Piggy hasn't had sex with a new woman in 40+ years. I suspect that his fat, ugly wife is just a beard. It would explain his obsession with all things gay. But maybe he would be happier if he just let some guy fuck his ass. He's obviously a self-hating bottom.

This is the American life, the average guy is a pussywhipped loser, who's left, begging his fat (a/o skinny but bitchy) wife for handouts.

224   anonymous   2017 Jan 25, 8:12pm  

Damn Cic getting drubbed. What a pathetic loser

225   missing   2017 Jan 25, 8:15pm  

What does CIC stand for?

226   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 8:16pm  

Piggy is too scared to answer the question, "when was the last time you had sex with a new woman?" because it demonstrates how pathetic and unfulfilling his life is. Jealousy fuels his hatred.

227   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 8:20pm  

FP says

What does CIC stand for?

Call It Crazy. It was his previous moniker. He changed his name hoping people wouldn't realize he was the same loser. He failed.

It's pretty sad when a supposedly "well-off retiree" chooses a comic book character as his avatar. Not exactly the type of thing successful, mature men do. I imagine he's a fat dork, not an intellectual but just an immature never-grown-up old man, who surrounds himself with fantasies to escape the dreariness of his actual life. Everything he says is an escapist fantasy.

228   anonymous   2017 Jan 25, 8:37pm  

Lol wow how pathetic. Get a life

229   Dan8267   2017 Jan 25, 11:01pm  

Piggy tries to troll, but ask him when the last time he scored with a new girl and he gets damn quiet. The last girl he had came with a pump to blow her up.

230   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 26, 7:01am  

Ironman says

has to read my comments in a different browser that's not signed in. Then to respond, he has to do a cut and paste. Just what type of pussy does that?????

You've done that to me countless times.

231   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 26, 7:05am  

Ironman says

then go run and hide behind ignore too.

When people put you on ignore, it means they don't find value in your posts, and that they think that pat.net would be better without you. It doesn't mean they are a pussy.

232   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 26, 7:11am  

One comment about men paying for child care:. Social security is a Ponzi scheme. Each individual doesn't contribute enough to support their own payments. Parents pay a shitload to raise children, and that pays for the rest of social security. Without children, the country would be forced to either pay more in SS payments or have more immigrants, which is essentially getting other societies to pay to raise our children assuming they immigrate at a young adventurous age.
If men can opt out of child care payments, single men probably need to opt in to higher SS payments.

233   missing   2017 Jan 26, 7:14am  

YesYNot says

Ironman says

has to read my comments in a different browser that's not signed in. Then to respond, he has to do a cut and paste.

You've done that to me countless times.

Really? People do such things? LOL

234   missing   2017 Jan 26, 7:17am  

YesYNot says

When people put you on ignore, it means they don't find value in your posts, and that they think that pat.net would be better without you.

Sure. But then why would they go around signing in, read the comments of the ignored person and respond to them? Seems like ignore is serving some other purpose than ignoring.

235   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 8:02am  

Ironman says

Interesting how the fat gay nerd from Boca Raton has had FOUR opportunities to meet me in person, and in each time, he hid like a little child.

Correction. You begged four times to meet me, but refused to do so. You "invited" me to your house but refuse to give the address. You refused to meet at local restaurants several times. You are the cowardly pussy.

But hey, prove me wrong. Post your real address right now, not the fake one you keep posting, and we'll arrange a real get together. But you're going to have to give up anonymity, you pussy.

Ironman says

Ironman says

Single guy that has a much better life then me and I'm obsessively jealous of says

"when was the last time you had sex with a new woman?"

If I've been married for decades, is there really some delusional point to that question?

Exactly. You haven't bedded a woman in over 40 years. Yet you question what young single men say about the mating market today. That's like a priest giving sex advice. As you are so fond of say, "you can't make this shit up".

Pick up a woman, then you can talk. Until then, you're just a fat, ugly dork married to a disgusting fat pig that you clearly are miserable with.

#rechargeableBatteriesDumbass

236   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 8:13am  

Dan8267 says

Until then, you're just a fat, ugly dork married to a disgusting fat pig that you clearly are miserable with.

Oh, and in case there is any doubt that piggy's wife is a fat, disgusting pig, there is no way piggy would post a real picture of her today. Just like he won't post a real picture of himself. However, we can extrapolate what they look like.

237   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 26, 8:46am  

Ironman says

You missed the whole point,

No. I didn't miss the point. When I had you on ignore, you constantly trolled me with 2 or 3 alt accounts and also copying and pasting posts. I've see you do that to Dan as well. The only reason I saw your troll posts is that I'd occasionally visit without logging in, because Dan had me on ignore and I like reading his posts. The difference between you and me is that I didn't constantly troll Dan after he ignored me. I took the hint and let it be.

238   ch_tah2   2017 Jan 26, 8:50am  

rando says

I do see that an abortion is a burden for the woman, so to make things fair-ish, it seems that the man should pay for the abortion.

Here are the four possible cases:

1. He wants it, she wants it. No problem, he accepts the responsibility.

2. He doesn't want it, she doesn't want it. No problem, kid will not exist.

3. He wants it, she doesn't want it. He's fucked.

4. He doesn't want it, she does want it. He's fucked.

So in 2 out of four cases, her choice is fulfilled, and he is fucked.

So it sounds like the biggest issue to you is her right to choose an abortion. With Trump as president and if Ginsberg retires or passes away, that right to an abortion could go away. If that's what happens, then your possible cases become:
1) they both want it, they both have responsibility
2) he doesn't want it, she doesn't want it. She's forced to birth the baby, but afterwards, they put it up for adoption or abandon it at the firehouse.
3) he does want it, she doesn't want it. She pays child support.
4) he doesn't want it, she does want it. He pays child support.

Other than the aspect of removing a woman's right to an abortion, everyone has equal rights in this situation. What do you think Patrick? Would removing her right to have an abortion be enough for the MJWs?

239   missing   2017 Jan 26, 9:10am  

I would like to congratulate Patrick for creating an internet forum that has apparently become such a big part of the lives of some people.

240   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 26, 9:10am  

Ironman says

How would you describe Dan's actions/responses that he does while having me on ignore?

I'd say it's tit for tat, but I don't pay much attention to your feud. If he has you on ignore and you leave him alone, I'd guess he would leave you alone. He might take a swipe or two given your history, but I'm guessing that's it.

Ironman says

And YOU'RE lecturing ME about trolling?

One person put me on ignore once. I've only started one alt account, and that was to create a parody of a red piller. I've never created alt accounts pussyXXX to troll people. I'd say it's pretty safe for me to call you a troll. I'd never be so presumptuous to lecture you on trolling though. You have plenty of personal experience with it, and are probably the board's resident expert. Apologies to Hey You for the dis.

241   Rin   2017 Jan 26, 9:40am  

Dan8267 says

Yet you question what young single men say about the mating market today. That's like a priest giving sex advice.

Had almost forgotten that classic metaphor. Keep up the good work Dan.

242   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 10:33am  

Piggy's upset because he tried trolling this thread and got trolled instead. Now he has to drink a bottle of gain alcohol so he can crawl back into bed with his fat pig wife, search for his micro-dick, and pretend he's having sex with a man, which is what he really wants but can't admit to himself. Oh, all the wasted years hiding behind a beard when he could have enjoyed life. Now it's too late and all the single men are a constant reminder of all the things he never had and never will.

243   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 10:37am  

Bill Maher perfectly sums up this thread.

www.youtube.com/embed/cPk72ccNRb0

245   ch_tah2   2017 Jan 26, 10:47am  

You are so ridiculous. You go all Jerry Springer (referenced in your cited article) about men sleeping around, not knowing they have kids, and then it's still the woman's fault that he wasn't there for the child's birth, just so he could abandon the kid at a fire station...

246   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 11:49am  

ch_tah2 says

People should pay child support.

No one is saying that a man should not pay child support if he chooses to have a child with a woman and then they break up for whatever reason. However, choosing to have recreational sex is not choosing to become a parent. It's the forcing of your will onto another person that is evil.

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

247   ch_tah2   2017 Jan 26, 11:51am  

Dan8267 says

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

No.

248   ch_tah2   2017 Jan 26, 11:55am  

Dan8267 says

Men do not deserve to be inflicted with indentured servitude for two decades simply because they dare to have recreational sex. To argue that is utterly hypocritical in a society that allows women to have abortions. Forcing men to become fathers against their will is every bit as evil as forcing women to become mothers against their will and for the exact same reasons.

I laid out a situation where everything is perfectly equal, are you in favor of it or is it still not enough?

Dan8267 says

I can only conclude that ch_tah2 is so bitterly jealous of men who have sex that he feels the need to punish them severely for it. Does this sound familiar?

Conclude all you want. I view the MJWs on this board as either pathetic losers who live in their parents' basement or fat slobs who have to pay for sex, so we can conclude however we choose.

249   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 12:04pm  

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

No.

Then it is utter hypocrisy to force men to become indentured servants for two decades simply because they deserve it. If it's not consent to raise a child when a woman has recreational sex, then it's not when a man does, and for the exact same reasons.

250   ch_tah2   2017 Jan 26, 12:06pm  

Dan8267 says

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

No.

Then it is utter hypocrisy to force men to become indentured servants for two decades simply because they deserve it. If it's not consent to raise a child when a woman has recreational sex, then it's not when a man does, and for the exact same reasons.

We've gone over this before. Yawn.

251   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 12:08pm  

ch_tah2 says

We've gone over this before. Yawn.

And you still have not addressed the issue. You merely assert "fuck men, they got laid, they deserve to be punished". This is not a compelling argument.

252   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 12:10pm  

ch_tah2 says

Because I don't fight for the toothless losers who sleep with women who hate them and then bitch about having to pay for their child...

Unless your a rapist, chances are the woman you sleep with likes you. That's kind of why they sleep with some men and not others.

And if men are "toothless" for not wanting to go through with a pregnancy and raising a child they do not want, then so are women, and for the exact same reason.

Are you saying that any woman who gets an abortion is a toothless, despicable, dead beat? If not, then once again, you are being hypocritical.

253   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 12:11pm  

It all comes down to this. Both men and women have the right to say no, an no means no!

254   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 12:53pm  

ch_tah2 says

I meant toothless in the literal sense...as in having no teeth.

No you didn't. Now answer the question.

Are you saying that any woman who gets an abortion is a toothless, despicable, dead beat? If not, then once again, you are being hypocritical.

255   Dan8267   2017 Jan 26, 12:55pm  

ch_tah2 says

The term "deadbeat dad" isn't around for nothing.

The only deadbeat dad is the dad who agrees to have a child with a woman and then reneges after the child is born. Men who don't want a child, are honest about it, and then have no say as the woman chooses to go through with the pregnancy anyway aren't deadbeats for leaving. They are escaped slaves. You aren't entitled to someone else's life.

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