patrick.net

Ironman says

Really??

Didn't read your own link, did you??

......"The order also creates an “extreme vetting” process for any and all immigrants and visitors to the U.S. "

So you don't understand the difference between banned and extreme vetting? I would expect that.

Well I agree that SA and Pakistan should absolutely be on the list. And while I don't know how they came up the list, AT LEAST THERE IS A GODDAM LIST! Obama was just opening the doors for the terrorists!
This comparison is apples to a shit sandwich!

joeyjojojunior says

Notably absent from the executive order:

Saudi Arabia

Pakistan

Russia (this is where the Boston bombers were from)

Before this is all over libbies hope to get on schindler's...

Quigley says

And while I don't know how they came up the list, AT LEAST THERE IS A GODDAM LIST!

It's amazing--the Muslim countries notably absent from the list are all places where Trump has business dealings. Imagine that.

DRAIN THE SWAMP BABY

anonymous says

Green card holders included in Trump ban

This will cause a lot of hardship, unnecessarily. People will find themselves locked out while on business trips... I have a friend in this situation.

I do wonder if this isn't Trump trolling the Leftist media once again. Leaving out a few obvious terror hotspots makes for articles, and then he can say, "Well, ok! Since you asked, I'll ban them too!"

Quigley says

I do wonder if this isn't Trump trolling the Leftist media once again. Leaving out a few obvious terror hotspots makes for articles, and then he can say, "Well, ok! Since you asked, I'll ban them too!"

How wonderful if that were true. Our President uses foreign policy as a tool to troll the media. Next he'll execute some innocent people to get back at CNN.

We do need to remember who the real enemies are: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and Madonna.

Ironman says

joeyjojojunior says

the Muslim countries notably absent from the list are all places where Trump has business dealings.

Which countries would that be?

He left out Egypt, UAE, Saudi (possibly), Azerbaijan, Indonesia

If Europe doesn't take those banned, then it puts pressure on Saudi and other prosperous middle eastern countries to make a decision on them.

Hard vetting of afghanis, Pakistanis and saudis, means that far fewer will come through than before.

Will be interesting to see Saudi have to make decisions on what to do with refugees, since they won't be coming to US

joeyjojojunior says

It's amazing--the Muslim countries notably absent from the list are all places where Trump has business dealings. Imagine that.

Well if refugees from those countries funded by Saudi aren't coming, then its not exactly easy Street for saudis and emiratis

I hear he has plans to deport native Americans back to Kamchatka.

Quigley says

I do wonder if this isn't Trump trolling the Leftist media once again. Leaving out a few obvious terror hotspots makes for articles, and then he can say, "Well, ok! Since you asked, I'll ban them too!"

Even if Trump is only inadvertently trolling the press here, it's a very good thing to have the extremely close connection between Saudi and terrorism front and center in the public discussion.

Quigley says

We do need to remember who the real enemies are: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and Madonna.

You forgot Shia LeBouf.

rando says

Even if Trump is only inadvertently trolling the press here, it's a very good thing to have the extremely close connection between Saudi and terrorism front and center in the public discussion.

Wouldn't it be better to have that discussion after he banned Saudis?

No, I like this because it points out the corrupting influence of the Saudi trillions on our political leaders.

1. Saudi and the Gulf states do not take in Syrian Refugees. They do allow guest workers, but they must come to a pre-arranged job, and ONLY Sunnis are admitted - no Druze, no Christians, and of course no Shi'a or Alawites. The Jihadi insurgents in Syria are... Sunni.

2. Iraqi refugees have been convicted of supporting Sunni Jihadi groups with money and arms smuggling.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/iraqi-refugee-convicted-attempting-provide-material-support-isil

2b. And for using IEDs against US troops, before migrating to the USA
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/louisville/press-releases/2013/former-iraqi-terrorists-living-in-kentucky-sentenced-for-terrorist-activities

3. Protecting LGBTQ, Minorities, Women and American Values generally:

In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.

The above text is excellent. There are a million or more Christian workers in Saudi Arabia. Churches are forbidden by law. Official Sunni Leaders paid by the state call for Church removal all over the MENA. Yet Saudis and their front groups bitch about the least prejudice towards Sunnis in EU and USA.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/destroy-all-the-churches-saudi-arabias-poor-treatment-of-christians/254650/

Quigley says

I do wonder if this isn't Trump trolling the Leftist media once again. Leaving out a few obvious terror hotspots makes for articles, and then he can say, "Well, ok! Since you asked, I'll ban them too!"

rando says

No, I like this because it points out the corrupting influence of the Saudi trillions on our political leaders.

I hope this is the case. "Why are you complaining? You guys ran countless articles in January saying we should ban Saudi Arabians, if anything!"

If he did ban Saudi immigration, they'd be Shrieking: he's only hurting liberals and moderates, creating instability that will jack up oil prices and hurt the economy, is attacking an "Ally" (LOL), helping the Ayatollah, putting big Saudi Investment money in Equities at risk, etc. etc. etc.

This is a great executive order.

All of these termporarily banned countries are united have experienced domestic turmoil, with religion being a key component, which breeds terrorism.

It explicitly exempts those fleeing for political or religious minority oppression from the ban. Which means we can welcome Syrian Christians fleeing ISIS.

It makes the vetting process uniform, without 'special emergency rapid approval' from people from war-torn countries where one could expect many radicalized people to come from. Requires in-person interviews.

He makes reciprocity the order of the day, countries that put Americans through the nth degree (to make sure for one, that they aren't missionaries) will get the same treatment.

He is reviewing the "Visa Express" which ridiculously was re-applied to Saudis, allowing them to come here without an in-person interview at the Embassy or Consulate first.

In short:
www.youtube.com/embed/Z5-rdr0qhWk

Not surprisingly, TLL Lips loves this order despite that fact that it doesn't include any of the countries that have actually exported terrorism to the USA.

Once again, he has shown his ridiculous hypocrisy when it comes to anything Trump does. After spending countless posts criticizing Clinton for her close ties to Saudi Arabia and explaining how Saudi is the problem with the Middle East, TLL is happy when they are excluded from the immigration ban. Because.... well, because he's happy with anything Trump says or does.

TLL and Patrick can rationalize this any way they want, but the bottom line is that Trump has once again shown he is no better than any other politician when it comes to Saudi Arabia. Just like he did when it came to Wall St. And everything else he's done so far. He's got all the worst qualities of every politician, along with his narcissism, low attention span, questionable judgment, and thin skin. Woo-hoo. Great job Trumpkins.

T L Lipsovich says

He is reviewing the "Visa Express" which ridiculously was re-applied to Saudis, allowing them to come here without an in-person interview at the Embassy or Consulate first.

Oh, wait, he's "reviewing it?? I take it all back. He's really showing the Saudis. I bet they are shaking in their boots!! He's REVIEWING it!!?!! Next, he'll put them on double secret probation too!!

T L Lipsovich says

If he did ban Saudi immigration, they'd be Shrieking: he's only hurting liberals and moderates, creating instability that will jack up oil prices and hurt the economy, is attacking an "Ally" (LOL), helping the Ayatollah, putting big Saudi Investment money in Equities at risk, etc. etc. etc.

So why didn't he do it then? Is hurting liberals his goal?? Isn't trolling the media and liberals the reason behind most of his decisions thus far? Why stop now?

joeyjojojunior says

You forgot Shia LeBouf

True. That asshat is always making stupid movies when he's not running around being a fucktard.

Ironman says

Poll: 13% Of Syrian Refugees Support ISIS.

What % of Saudis support terrorism?

Ironman says

What percentage of Illinois residents support terrorism?

Well done. Equating Saudi Arabia with a US State when it comes to terrorism. You have a firm grip on reality.

joeyjojojunior says

Oh, wait, he's "reviewing it?? I take it all back. He's really showing the Saudis. I bet they are shaking in their boots!! He's REVIEWING it!!?!! Next, he'll put them on double secret probation too!!

Why didn't Obama do something about it, he had 8 years and he didn't need Congress, either.

joeyjojojunior says

So why didn't he do it then? Is hurting liberals his goal?? Isn't trolling the media and liberals the reason behind most of his decisions thus far? Why stop now?

Damned if he do, damned if he don't. The Media wants to protect their Banker-Silicon Oligarch interests. Saudi Investment, Weapons Sales, etc. more important that stopping violent Jihad worldwide.

The NYT is in full fury mode today. They'll be bringing up one or two examples of an Iranian Scientist or something, and some 6 figure earning families who haven't pursued citizenship because their investment visa allows them to dodge taxes. You know, same as the Times readership demographic that believes anyone earning less than $80k is an Evil Methhead Redneck, or a poor oppressed minority.

joeyjojojunior says

What % of Saudis support terrorism?

Ironman says

joeyjojojunior says

What % of Saudis support terrorism?

What percentage of Illinois residents support terrorism?

Or Detroit Residents :)

#NotMyResidents

T L Lipsovich says

Why didn't Obama do something about it, he had 8 years and he didn't need Congress, either.

Good. So you admit Trump is no better than a typical politician then?

T L Lipsovich says

Damned if he do, damned if he don't. The Media wants to protect their Banker-Silicon Oligarch interests. Saudi Investment, Weapons Sales, etc. more important that stopping violent Jihad worldwide.

Exactly. And Trump is trying to screw the media at every turn. So why did he exclude Saudi Arabia? It might have actually been prudent AND it would have screwed the media. Win-Win. So why did Trump exclude them??

Once again I'll tell you TLL, when you find yourself agreeing with Ironman you need to reassess your views.

joeyjojojunior says

Once again I'll tell you TLL, when you find yourself agreeing with Ironman you need to reassess your views.

Hey, what do you think of all the drone strikes that ended up hitting wedding parties with the suspect long gone from the area?

Is that more humane than a ban on refugees from war-torn areas where religious conflict and radicalization is a big part?

joeyjojojunior says

Good. So you admit Trump is no better than a typical politician then?

So you admit Obama did nothing?

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. And Trump is trying to screw the media at every turn. So why did he exclude Saudi Arabia? It might have actually been prudent AND it would have screwed the media. Win-Win. So why did Trump exclude them??

Because it was a bridge too far - for now - politically. He chose countries currently in massive domestic conflict involving radical religious beliefs, and a major state supporter of terrorism. Maybe when he speaks with his Sith Lord Master, he can get combined action to pressure Saudi Arabia and put them on the back foot.

T L Lipsovich says

Because it was a bridge too far - for now - politically

bwahahahaha. Give me a break. He specifically excluded countries where he has business interests because he didn't want to jeopardize the only thing he really cares about---his own new worth.

Well, If Trump is banning immigration from countries that don't attack us as well as from those that do, I suppose you are saying he truly is an honest and fair man!

joeyjojojunior says

bwahahahaha. Give me a break. He specifically excluded countries where he has business interests because he didn't want to jeopardize the only thing he really cares about---his own new worth.

Extreme vetting for Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/not-visa-ban-extreme-vetting-for-pakistan-afghanistan-saudi-arabia-president-trump-3223890.html
While Obama (and certainly Hillary would have) maintained Visa Express. What country did the San Ber shooter come from?

He wanted to get something done without pushback, and Obama left him a poison pill authorizing mass Sunni Radical immigration from Syria he had to stop.

There are probably all kinds of other things like pending Lockheed-Martin Sales.

Psst: Politicans sometimes legitimately have to pick their fights.

T L Lipsovich says

He wanted to get something done without pushback, and Obama left him a poison pill authorizing mass Sunni Radical immigration from Syria he had to stop.

It was an executive order. How could he not have gotten that done? And he's already getting a ton of pushback. So, care to try again?

What is the point of banning Muslims if you don't ban the ones that are most likely to be terrorists?

T L Lipsovich says

Extreme vetting for Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia:

Great--can you detail exactly what measures are being taken? How it's different than what was being done already under normal vetting?

Ironman says

The current group of terrorists AREN'T coming from Saudi.

They aren't? Source?

casandra says

Well, If Trump is banning immigration from countries that don't attack us as well as from those that do,

You almost have it. He's banning from countries that don't attack us, but ISN'T banning from those countries that DO attack us.

I guess we'll see if Trump bows lower to the Saudi Royalty than Obama did.

joeyjojojunior says

Great--can you detail exactly what measures are being taken? How it's different than what was being done already under normal vetting?

Applicants will actually have to show up for an interview, and probably a background check, instead of just filling out a form and dialing in a Credit Card or sending a check.

The SJW left is more angry about temporary refugee bans and extreme vetting than they ever were about Paris, San Ber, or Orlando.

Also silent on the Haitan and Cuban policies that were just tightened:
Haitians beg Obama to stop deporting them
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/haitians-plead-with-obama-for-last-minute-reprieve-as-deportations-skyrocket-8991508

Or ending wet-foot, dry-foot, which allowed Cubans who reached US soil to stay.

Ironman says

Hey Tatty, when did they all become part or states of Saudi?

wtf are you talking about. Who said they are part of Saudi?