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Copyright
Limit copyright to 20 years like patents, with no renewals, because renewals just protect the profits of Disney and other wealthy lobbyists.
Make DMCA takedown abuse a felony because it is used to stifle free speech.

Corruption
Issue massive cash rewards for exposing illegal or unethical behavior by government officials. Turn the rats against each other.
Ban congressmen and their family members from owning individual stocks, to stop flagrant insider trading like that by Nancy and Paul Pelosi.
Ban all levels of government from attempting to influence public opinion aside from direct quotable speech by specific elected officials; government should respect and reflect the will of the people.
Make it a felony for any elected official or government employee to knowingly lie to the public, or to materially misrepresent facts to the public the same way it is a crime for members of the public to lie to government.
Require all laws — like vaccine mandates and insider trading bans — to also apply to members of Congress without any exemptions.
Rotate out DC politicians with 12 year term limits (two Senate terms or six house terms) before they can fully develop their corrupt networks.
Move all federal agencies far outside the DC area, to places that need the jobs, places like Wichita, KS.
Make a point of bringing in total political outsiders as often as possible.
Forbid everyone at the FDA or family members from ever working at any pharma company, and forbid all pharma employees or family members from ever working for the FDA, until the FDA is eliminated and its functions transferred to the states.
Make all government expenditures, down to the dollar, without exception, easily available for public inspection.
Hire the elderly, who often know how things work and have a lot of available time, to watch all public contracts for excessive spending and corruption.
Require all retail establishments including cafes and restaurants to clearly post all prices, any item without a price being free as a penalty.
Overcharging at checkout must make the item free as a penalty. This especially applies to "out of date" menus in restaurants.

Crime, the Law, and Prisons
Openly address the extremely disproportionate violent crime rate by black men relative to all others, instead of hiding it.
Abolish all "hate crime" laws because they inevitably result in unequal application of the law, favoring some groups over others, and violate the First Amendment. We already have laws against crime.
Implement public honors and a large cash reward for anyone who captures and flogs a looter or shoplifter.
Pass castle doctrine laws in every state, so that if someone breaks in, the fault becomes theirs if you injure him.
Pass stand your ground laws in every state, so that if some one comes at you intending violence, you need not retreat but can defend yourself where you are.
Require all police to wear functioning bodycams at all times when interacting with the public or prisoners, all video to be used as evidence.
End civil forfeiture because it is theft by government.
Ban private prisons because they bribe judges to feed them more prisoners.
Legalize marijuana at the federal level because it is less harmful than alcohol.
Allow free speech for all prisoners so that we can learn about injustice.
Segregate prisons by biological sex. No men should ever be imprisoned among women, nor women among men.
Define "right to a speedy trial" to mean that a verdict must be reached within one year of imprisonment, defaulting to innocent.
Compensate those found innocent for their unjust time in jail. The money should come from the budget of the agency which imprisoned them.
End selective enforcement of laws by DAs. We should have minimal laws, but they should be enforced 100% of the time to avoid cases like Hunter Biden's never being charged with running the Biden Crime Family bribery racket.
First-time criminals should be given the option of flogging rather than imprisonment. Imprisonment creates hardened criminals who learn bad habits in prison.
Anyone who instigates a lawsuit and loses should have to pay his opponent's legal fees so that the suit itself was not a financial punishment. This is the law is most of the world already.

Discrimination
Forbid government from counting or classifying citizens by race.
End racism by refusing to talk about it, as Morgan Freeman suggested in his famous interview with Mike Wallace.
Prohibit any special access to government services regardless of a person's status, wealth, or payment.
Eliminate all government favoritism or exclusion of citizen by race; therefore no Affirmative Action, nor exclusion of whites or Asians from any programs.

Education
Offer a basic citizenship, numeracy, and literacy test for a high school diploma, administered by the US Office of Weights and Measures.
Fund college with temporary income share agreements, not loans, to give colleges a true motive to help students.
Let middle school and high school students test out of any subject and study whatever they want on their own, so they don't waste their time.
Require any university which gets government funding to award class credits and degrees purely for passing objective tests, no classes required.
Require elementary, middle, and high school classes on how to avoid getting trapped in debt.
Create state-level virtual universities of the very best teachers and classes, online, free for all students of any age.
Allow school choice, where parents can spend their tax money on any school in the state, public or private.
Promote practical education, such as plumbing and HVAC, but also promote reading the Latin and Greek classics, especially in the original languages.
Require middle school and high school courses to teach what rights are guaranteed by the Constitution, and how to sue for them.

Food
Make is a serious crime to introduce any insect-based food for humans without prominent warnings on the food that it includes insects.
Ban all seed oils as not appropriate for human consumption because they are poisonous, especially rapeseed oil, aka "Canola" oil.

Foreign Policy
Put compensating tariffs on foreign goods from countries with lower wages or lower environmental standards, to protect the US manufacturing base.
Seek national economic self-sufficiency in all necessary goods like oil and medicines so that the US may never be extorted by a foreign country.
Impose an absolute ban on dual citizenship, because it always creates conflicting loyalties. China prohibits dual citizenship for this reason.
Stop sending taxpayer money to Israel. They can take care of themselves.

Freedom of Speech
Create a Constitutional Amendment explicitly prohibiting all levels of government from "advising" or influencing any media on what to report or suppress.
Prohibit discrimination in hiring and firing based on political activities outside of work.
Revoke all laws against "hate speech" because such laws violate the First Amendment.

Homelessness
Require mandatory prison time for hard drug use, because most homeless are addicts, and former addicts testify that enforced sobriety in prison saved them.

Immigration
Issue permanent shoot-to-kill orders against anyone invading US borders. This was normal in all parts of the world until recently.
Make everyone who enters the US illegally permanently ineligible for citizenship, green cards, employment, and welfare, except for any who help to convict and imprison their own employers for employing illegal labor.
Build a wall along the southern US border, to protect low-wage American workers from illegal competition.
Deport everyone who entered the US illegally. Exception: grant US citizenship to any illegal alien who gets his employer convicted of employing him. This would be yet more effective than a wall.
Mandate federal prison time for all employers of illegal aliens.
Eliminate all H1B and similar visas unless the incoming worker is paid at least twice as much as an American would be for that job, to prevent, eg, Facebook's abuse of H1B.

Infrastructure
Give official federal priority to fast and cheap rail transit to city centers as in Europe, in place of subsidies and favoritism for highways and airports.
Attempt to re-achieve US energy independence to help keep us out of foreign wars and to improve our balance of trade.
Officially disparage and refuse to grant permits to sterile modern architecture because it is merely cheap shit pretending to be classy.
Return to classical public art, perhaps with subtle new touches. Refuse to spend money on crappy modern public "art".
Create pedestrian-friendly and completely safe town squares with fountains in every town, with a particular emphasis on introducing young people to each other.

Leaf Blowers
Ban gasoline powered leaf blowers in dense residential areas. They pollute with dirty engines, blow dust around, and make a lot of noise.

Legislation
Ban all Congressmen from working as lobbyists after serving. This ban should be for life.
Restrict the commerce clause’s interpretation back to what it was before the 1937 Supreme Court case "National Labor Relations Board v. Jones & Laughlin Steel Corp." This reversal would greatly reduce the size of the Federal government.
Eliminate all regulations and rules. There must be only laws enacted by elected representatives of the people, and never any regulations and rules created by unelected bureaucrats.
Require lesser authorities to defy unconstitutional laws and orders.
Prohibit all "states of emergency" because they are used to subvert the Constitution, as was done in the Wuhan Virus scamdemic. We should be ready for emergencies at all times anyway.
Create a Constitutional amendment to explicitly state that no part of the Constitution may be suspended ever, for any reason, for any amount of time.
Anyone attempting to suspend any part of the Constitution for any amount of time, especially for an "emergency", shall be guilty of a capital offense.
Require all federal laws to be read in their entirety by all legislators before they may vote on them, to discourage lobbyist-written bills.
Require all federal laws to be clear enough that a 12th-grade education is sufficient to understand them perfectly, for more public participation.
Require single-issue and single budget-item bills. No bill should contain more than one clearly defined issue.
Limit bill length to 30 normal-sized pages of normal sized font, for more clarity about what is in the bill, and more public participation.
Promote the principle of very few laws, very well enforced. "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." -Tacitus.
Guarantee the right of the president to fire anyone within executive branch at any time, especially long-time "civil servants" like Fauci.
Eliminate anti-competitive imposition of "safety" costs on small businesses because those laws are almost all written to benefit large businesses.
Require 20 year sunset provisions for all federal laws, requiring a new vote on whether the law is to be continued after it expires.
Allow the public to vote to revoke the corporate charter of any company which they feel has abused the public, companies like Pfizer.
Publicly post all bills two weeks in advance of Congressional vote, to give the public a chance to read them.
Let the president have a line item veto.
Repeal the poorly-named "Patriot Act".

Medical Care
Repeal the "Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness" (PREP) act. All vaccines and other medical products must come with unlimited liability for manufacturers at all times.
Repeal the "Vaccine Injury Act" of 1986. All vaccines and other medical products must come with unlimited liability for manufacturers at all times.
Establish a Constitutional ban on lockdowns, mask requirements, and vaccine mandates. They must never be allowed under any circumstances.
Prosecute everyone involved with the creation of Wuhan Virus, especially the mass murderers Fauci, Collins, and Daszak.
Prosecute everyone who abused his or her power to mandate the dangerous and ineffective mRNA injection, whether in government, schools, or workplaces.
Require short clear written presentation of all non-emergency medical costs before treatment for market discipline of medical costs.
Absolve all patients from legal liability for medical care bills whose costs they did not agree to in writing in advance of treatment, aside from emergency care.
Require all emergency medical charges to be limited to moderate fixed prices by law, because there can be no market in emergencies.
Require medical insurers to give a coverage response to a proposed non-emergency medical bill within one day, again to control medical costs.
Allow import of prescription drugs from Canada and from every other country because the import restrictions are a scam to boost profits.
Make it a felony to offer doctors or other medical providers payments to recommend any drug or treatment.
Ban the practice of charging higher prices for the same medicine or treatment when the patient is uninsured. See image below.
Establish a Constitutional right to visit in person and hug any relative who wants visitors in a hospital or nursing home with no exceptions for any disease on either side. It must be their choice alone, never an administrator's.
Prohibit all hospitals and nursing homes from benefitting financially from the deaths of their patients, as they did with the Midazolam Murders.

Mens Rights
Ban kangaroo courts in corporate HR and University Title IX departments to protect men's rights.
Mandate paternity testing at birth to give all men the certainty which encourages paternal care. Eliminate all child support obligation for a non-biological father unless he legally adopts the child.
Require courts to assume that a woman of age, voluntarily alone in a bedroom with a man, has consented to sex.
Grant equal post-conception rights to men.

Military
Eliminate the US Army and instead require mandatory training and arming all sane non-felon adult male US citizens to defend US territory ONLY, organized into well-regulated militias.
Implement a mandatory death penalty for anyone who deliberately attempts to send US troops off of US soil.
Create a constitutional amendment prohibiting interventionism; American soldiers must never fight except against invasion of America, per George Washington's advice.
Ban gays from the military because they are corrosive to morale and because they spread the disease of homosexuality there, not to mention anal warts.
Ban trannies from the military because they are mentally ill.
Eliminate NATO, because Europe is not America.
Close all US military bases in foreign countries.
Create a Constitutional amendment prohibiting all interference in the affairs of foreign countries, especially sending weapons.

Money
Define the US currency to be one ounce of 0.999 pure silver, to be called an Ounce. Silver by weight worked well for thousands of years.
Prohibit the creation of any term for US currency except weight of 0.999 pure silver. So "pound" is OK for a pound of 0.999 pure silver, but "dollar" and all other such non-weight terms are to be prohibited because they can be redefined to devalue to the currency.
Require every business and government agency to accept silver metal by weight as payment.
Establish a Constitutional right to pay all debts and taxes with physical silver by weight, so that everyone can preserve savings as silver metal.
Ban all taxes on buying or selling silver. Such taxes are punishment of those who try to avoid being cheated by the Federal Reserve.
Forbid businesses from requiring payment in any form which can be blocked by government, the way Canada blocked the bank accounts of legitimate protestors who opposed deadly injection mandates.
Create a Constitutional prohibition on political discrimination as a reason to deny banking or payment system access.
Require classification and prominent marking of all non-metal payment instruments as "Not money, only a debt, MAY DEFAULT", because they are merely debts.
Eliminate the requirement for anyone to ever accept or pay with paper money because all paper money eventually becomes worthless.
Legally define all banking as either storage of silver for a fee, or participation in the bank's lending risk and bank run risk in return for an interest payment.
Eliminate the Federal Reserve entirely. Let the open market set interest rates at all times.
Limit the annual federal budget by Constitutional amendment to 1% of GDP with no exceptions, especially not for "emergencies".
Completely and permanently eliminate the national debt. Require the federal budget to be paid out of current revenue, similar to the "Swiss brake".
Ban asset managers, especially Blackrock and Vanguard, from voting the underlying shares that they don’t own but are merely managing.

Privacy
Create an amendment establishing a Constitutional right to privacy because it is not perfectly clear from existing law that we have this right.
Prohibit all levels of government from collecting or holding information on any citizen except as absolutely necessary for census, taxation, criminal investigation, or driver's licenses.
Prohibit the federal government from monitoring the activities or location or even knowing the home address of anyone not currently accused of a specific crime. So no mass license plate reading or cell phone tracking without a warrant naming the specific person and the crime.
Require all private people and companies which collect or distribute home addresses and phone numbers to prominently display all of the owners' home addresses and phone numbers, and all similar information they collect. That is, demand equality of exposure.
Prohibit airlines and other transportation from demanding identity papers. Everyone should be able to travel anonymously, as we did before.
Prohibit websites from including 3rd party javascript, especially that from Google or Facebook, without a prominent notice that every keystroke or mouse movement etc is visible to Google or Facebook and that those sites may have altered the page content. It's spyware and most people are unaware of it.

Real Estate
Completely eliminate the mortgage interest deduction and all policies which serve only to keep houses expensive, because they cripple new family formation.
Aggressively implement policies which drive down the price of a house as much as possible, to give young families space to rear children.
Prohibit all foreigners, including everyone with any non-US citizenship, dual citizenship, or any foreign passport, from owning any land in the US.
Require notarization and publication of all bids on real estate to slow down the routine fraudulent bidding by realtors.
Require a publicly advertised price for a house to be a legally binding offer to immediately sell at that price, the same way it is with toasters and all other goods.
Prohibit government loan guarantees of all kinds, particularly housing or college loan guarantees, because they simply raise the cost of housing and of college.

Regulation and States Rights
Eliminate all federal government agencies outside of the military and commerce; everything else belongs to the states, as is written in the Constitution.
Eliminate the FBI, CIA, NSA, NIH, FDA, and CDC in particular, with their functions transferred to the states, as is written in the Constitution.
Eliminate all federal funding for science and let the states fund it instead. Then scientists might be able to find a state in which to do research which proves that Pfizer products are deadly.
Allow girl scouts to bake their own cookies at home.

Sex
Strictly separate multiple-person bathrooms for men and women, whether a person is mentally ill with the fashionable "trans" disease or not.
Ban gay men from adopting, since the majority are gay because they were molested as boys, and then frequently go on to become molesters themselves.
Ban gay men from being alone with boys, ever, because most gays were created through homo-pedophilia.
Ban the sodomy, trans, BLM and other flags from any property funded by tax money, however indirectly. Only official government flags may be displayed.
Define the promotion of homosexuality or trans ideology to children as child sex abuse.
Revert the classification of transsexuality to be the mental illness which is obviously is.
Revert the classification of male homosexuality to be what it really is: a contagious life-shortening mental illness.

Schools
Ban the rainbow sodomy/pedo/trans flag from all schools.
Require middle and high school courses in law, taxes, personal finance, insurance, coding, cooking, home repair, car repair, self-defense, survival skills, etiquette, public speaking, and stress management.
Require daily weight lifting and running in PE classes at every level including publicly funded universities.

Taxes
Create a Constitutional amendment to establish the right to buy and sell without any license or any sales taxes for great prosperity and low paperwork.
Eliminate all income and sales taxes, to be replaced with Georgist land value taxes and import tariffs.
Swap the current maximum tax rates on income from work vs capital gains until Georgism is implemented and income tax eliminated.
End Prop 13 in California, to be replaced with a land value tax, with zero taxes on buildings.
Prohibit sales tax on used property which was already taxed when first sold. Ultimately eliminate sales tax in favor of a land value tax.
Prohibit all public sector unions, especially teachers unions and prison guard unions. Government workers may not unionize against the people they serve.

Voting
Make Jan 6th a national holiday honoring the political prisoners who protested the 2020 election fraud.
Arrest Pelosi, Ray Epps, and the other FBI goons of Jan 6th for conspiracy, entrapment, and incitement to violence.
Prosecute everyone in the DOJ who fabricated charges against the election fraud protestors entrapped by Pelosi and the FBI.
Eliminate all voting machines in favor of paper ballots alone because it is insane to give centralized control of the totals to Dominion and similar companies.
Eliminate mail-in voting or drop boxes; have only paper ballots with photo ID in person at a local school on that one day only, counted by each party.
Require proof of US citizenship with photo ID to vote.
Publicly fund all congressional and presidential campaigns.
Set term limits for Congress: 6x for the House, and twice for the Senate, so 12 years each, maximum.
Require a roll call vote in both houses of Congress on the verbatim topic of any petition with more than 10% popular support, without amendments.

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124   Patrick   2017 Feb 23, 2:59pm  

indigenous says

You seem to have the notion that the money supply has to grow. Why was this a problem when the US was on the gold standard.

I think there is a beneficial effect from small inflation, encouraging investment rather than simply hiding the money.

OTOH, when you invest, you also give the government a tip-off that you have money that can be confiscated somehow.

125   Patrick   2017 Feb 23, 3:08pm  

Dan8267 says

giving all newly circulated money to the public in the form of a guaranteed income that is equal for all persons.

That's an interesting idea. If we have to have any inflation, why not give the benefit directly to everyone?

The more inflation, the more equality. Let the owner class call for more inflation if they want.

Not really. The assets that the owner class owns (like nearly all the land) are pretty much impervious to inflation.

126   Blurtman   2017 Feb 23, 3:23pm  

If the goal is to back the dollar by some immutable, non-manipulatable physical entry, try the energy of the sun.

127   Patrick   2017 Feb 23, 3:41pm  

Blurtman says

If the goal is to back the dollar by some immutable, non-manipulatable physical entry, try the energy of the sun.

I was just thinking about energy as currency. But how do you deliver it? Barrels of oil?

The energy of the sun in particular is simply proportional to land area, so the rich have a lot more of it.

128   indigenous   2017 Feb 23, 3:55pm  

IMO the best option will be Bitcoin.

129   Dan8267   2017 Feb 23, 3:59pm  

rando says

Not really. The assets that the owner class owns (like nearly all the land) are pretty much impervious to inflation.

That's true, and it mitigates the effect. However, you can impose a wealth tax if the goal is to prevent monetary or material hording.

130   curious2   2017 Feb 23, 4:01pm  

People should have a right to petition Congress regarding a specific proposal, and if they get enough signatures require a roll call vote in both houses of Congress on the verbatim topic of the petition, without amendments.

131   indigenous   2017 Feb 23, 4:06pm  

Dan8267 says

rando says

Not really. The assets that the owner class owns (like nearly all the land) are pretty much impervious to inflation.

That's true, and it mitigates the effect. However, you can impose a wealth tax if the goal is to prevent monetary or material hording.

Home prices skyrocketed because of the bubble caused by Greenspan's lowering of the interest rates in 2002 to 2004. This was an example of the Cantillon Effect

132   Patrick   2017 Feb 23, 4:09pm  

curious2 says

People should have a right to petition Congress regarding a specific proposal, and if they get enough signatures require a roll call vote in both houses of Congress on the verbatim topic of the petition, without amendments.

Hey, that's good!

I want to limit my list to 40, so I'll have to drop something to add that.

133   Dan8267   2017 Feb 23, 4:10pm  

There is no reason that we need more than one bank to do all the above. There is no reason for a private bank. This is clearly something that is best done by the state, and the state gets sooooooo many benefits from it that it should absorb the trivial per customer costs -- hell, it saves the state money on law enforcement -- and provide all the services in the best way for free. It even allows the state to improve the financial state of its citizens allowing it to have a better economy, and thus also more tax revenues.

Lenders can be private institutions and if they fail it's the investors who lose out. Lenders won't be able to take the economy down with them.

134   Dan8267   2017 Feb 23, 4:12pm  

rando says

I want to limit my list to 40, so I'll have to drop something to add that.

The size of your list should be determined by the number of reforms you can justify, not some arbitrary cap.

135   indigenous   2017 Feb 23, 4:12pm  

Dan8267 says

There is no reason that we need more than one bank to do all the above. There is no reason for a private bank. This is clearly something that is best done by the state, and the state gets sooooooo many benefits from it that it should absorb the trivial per customer costs -- hell, it saves the state money on law enforcement -- and provide all the services in the best way for free. It even allows the state to improve the financial state of its citizens allowing it to have a better economy, and thus also more tax revenues.

Lenders can be private institutions and if they fail it's the investors who lose out. Lenders won't be able to take the economy down with them.

Wrong binary breath, there is NO accountability with the state notice one of the posts above that the highest mean income in the US is in Washington DC.

136   Patrick   2017 Feb 23, 4:13pm  

Dan8267 says

The size of your list should be determined by the number of reforms you can justify, not some arbitrary cap.

My brain is of limited size, unfortunately. To really get to know a set of issues, I have to limit it.

137   Dan8267   2017 Feb 23, 4:21pm  

indigenous says

Wrong binary breath, there is NO accountability with the state notice one of the posts above that the highest mean income in the US is in Washington DC.

Well, you've convinced me with that poorly rendered assertion. And to think, all these years I've been wasting my time using evidence and logically valid reasoning to form my beliefs.

138   Dan8267   2017 Feb 23, 4:22pm  

rando says

My brain is of limited size, unfortunately

That's why we have writing, libraries, and the Internet. Your knowledge base isn't limited to what can fit in your own brain. You have access to external storage and data.

139   indigenous   2017 Feb 23, 5:56pm  

Dan8267 says

Well, you've convinced me with that poorly rendered assertion. And to think, all these years I've been wasting my time using evidence and logically valid reasoning to form my beliefs.

To think otherwise is not thinking...

140   Bellingham Bill   2017 Feb 23, 7:33pm  

real (2009 dollars) per-capita annual home mortgage indebtedness increase

141   Bellingham Bill   2017 Feb 23, 7:35pm  

oh, let's not forget the Bush tax cuts of 2001-2003 also helping the market move upwards in response.

142   Patrick   2017 Feb 23, 7:41pm  

I don't see it.

The rich still have a monopoly with fiat capital.

143   MrEd   2017 Feb 24, 6:16am  

So it looks like the person 'ad hominemed' should have the capacity to 'unhominem' the perceived 'adhominem' since the perception of an 'adhominem attack' varies from person to person.
Or, simpler to implement, only allow the person 'adhominemed' to use the 'adhominem' link.
But this would depend on the 'quote' function to work accurately, which it does for quoting one person only.
When highlighting quotes from multiple people in one post, it tends to only capture one of the people and assign all the quoted text to them.
In closing, the 'quote' function needs to be smart enough to determine who is being 'adhominemed', so that it can enable the 'adhominem' link for that poster only.

Dan8267 says

ad hominem

Really? I took that as a compliment. He's saying I'm logical like a Turing machine. I guess that's an insult to him, but being called intelligent and rational is a compliment to me.

144   Bellingham Bill   2017 Feb 24, 6:28am  

rando says

The rich still have a monopoly with fiat capital.

Fiat -- QE -- is literally the bank in Monopoly just handing out more money to players to keep the game going.

When the Fed pushed trillions into the economy 2009-2014 it did it via buying gov't bonds and mortgage bonds.

This effectively cut the yields of these instruments, transferring money from savers (aka the rich) to today's borrowers.

I think without this QE the world economy would look a lot different today, and not in a good way.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=cPsb

blue is real (2009 dollars) per-capita MZM, red is velocity of said MZM.

We need MORE spending power aka money/credit redistributed to the lower quintiles.

Going hard money is not the way to get there.

145   indigenous   2017 Feb 24, 7:13am  

Bellingham Bill has me on ignore.

It seems like he is saying that the increase in the money supply has had no effect.

The main reason for this is the low velocity, the main reason for low velocity is demographics.

The definition of inflation is an increase in the money supply. But before that inflation manifests itself there has to be an increase in the demand.

The low demand was caused by the demographics, Logan has this right.

Where the QE has manifested is in the stock market and real estate.

This is a chart (changed in scale) to show the correlation between the DJIA and the central bank increase in the money supply.

IOW you don't do this without "unintended consequences".

146   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 24, 7:18am  

"The main reason for this is the low velocity, the main reason for low velocity is demographics"

No, actually the main reason for low velocity is inequality.

147   indigenous   2017 Feb 24, 7:21am  

joeyjojojunior says

the main reason for low velocity is inequality.

And the main reason for inequality is the fed increasing the money supply.

TWO TIMES in history the fed has pulled this shit...

148   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 24, 7:24am  

Same graph--doesn't seem quite so convincing this time, though, does it?

149   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 24, 7:26am  

"And the main reason for inequality is the fed increasing the money supply. TWO TIMES in history the fed has pulled this shit..."

wtf are you talking about? Inequality has been steady rising at the same rate since around the late 70s. What did the Federal Reserve do in 1975?

150   indigenous   2017 Feb 24, 7:32am  

For starters the graph I posted was created by a PHD in economics, 2nd you are showing time frames that did not have QE.

I'm not interested in you narrative, the chart clearly shows that the fed has increased the money supply since the US was taken off the gold standard, no stories puwleeze.

151   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 24, 7:43am  

"For starters the graph I posted was created by a PHD in economics, 2nd you are showing time frames that did not have QE."

I'm sorry--can you not read the x-axis of both graphs? I included the exact same time period that you did, only I expanded it slightly. Any correlation, if it existed, should still be clear.

Of course the money supply has increased. Nobody is disputing that. What you are incorrect about is that it caused the inequality.

152   indigenous   2017 Feb 24, 7:45am  

joeyjojojunior says

I'm sorry--can you not read the x-axis of both graphs?

Back at ya.

joeyjojojunior says

What you are incorrect about is that it caused the inequality.

I'm showing proof that it did. You are spewing your narrative...

153   indigenous   2017 Feb 24, 7:54am  

here is the graph I came up with with the correct dates. I changed the scale to show the correlation.

Also notice that the correlation goes away since the fed has stopped increasing the money supply. In fact that is scary because the demand is coming from demographics.

155   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 24, 9:08am  

"I'm showing proof that it did. You are spewing your narrative..."

What proof exactly? All I've seen from you is a chart showing inequality over time.

"here is the graph I came up with with the correct dates. I changed the scale to show the correlation."

Also notice that the correlation goes away since the fed has stopped increasing the money supply. In fact that is scary because the demand is coming from demographics.

Was your previous graph the S&P 500 squared too? I didn't see that--or rather, I couldn't read it from your chart. And if the correlation goes away when the money supply is no longer increasing--it's not a causation. It should fit when both increasing and decreasing.

That definitely shows you are wrong.

156   indigenous   2017 Feb 24, 9:11am  

Wut the fuck are you talking about?

157   Patrick   2017 Feb 24, 9:13am  

MrEd says

But this would depend on the 'quote' function to work accurately, which it does for quoting one person only.

When highlighting quotes from multiple people in one post, it tends to only capture one of the people and assign all the quoted text to them.

You're right, that's a flaw.

OK, it's on my list of things to fix.

158   krc   2017 Feb 24, 10:56am  

Patrick - What about in the Men's Rights:
Marriage implies both parties agreement for procreation. Unmarried status: men should have equal post-conception rights and the ability to refuse financial obligation for a child where the woman unilaterally decides to continue the pregnancy.
I think there was a recent thread that discussed this in detail...

159   Patrick   2017 Feb 24, 11:04am  

krc says

Unmarried status: men should have equal post-conception rights and the ability to refuse financial obligation for a child where the woman unilaterally decides to continue the pregnancy.

Yes, that's a favorite issue of mine, and I'd like to get there, but I think it feels like it would be hard to get enough support and I've already get 3 men's rights issues that seem more likely to get support:

Ban corporate HR department and university Title IX kangaroo courts.
Mandate paternity testing at birth. Eliminate all child support obligation for non-biological fathers.
Require courts to assume that a woman of age, voluntarily alone in a bedroom with a man, has consented to sex.

160   krc   2017 Feb 24, 11:51am  

Establish the inalienability of the right to vote for all US citizens, whether in prison "or" not.

161   krc   2017 Feb 24, 11:53am  

BTW - I think that your third point (assumption of sexual consent if in a bedroom) is more controversial than my point. But I understand...

162   Patrick   2017 Feb 24, 12:17pm  

@krc you know what, you are right. I should add post-conception rights for men, because it is an injustice that they just don't have any.

I'll find a space.

163   Patrick   2017 Feb 24, 12:18pm  

krc says

Establish the inalienability of the right to vote for all US citizens, whether in prison "or" not.

Thanks for pointing out the error! Fixed now.

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