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Strategist says

Islam is the enemy. Muslims are just the suckers and victims.

Thousands of religions have come and gone in this world. We need Islam to be the next religion to go. The descendants of Muslims will thank us forever.

This.

Rew seems to imagine that the "moderate Nazis", who didn't personally murder people in camps, were not the enemy. He seems not to understand how much better off Europeans are with more freedom and less fascism. In fairness to him, most west Europeans have forgotten the value of freedom too, as they are now demanding to import Islam. East Europeans remember.

Strategist says

Very bad question. I would say the government does not want to kill me, and we would start going back and forth into a black hole.

It's a perfectly valid question.

The government doesn't want anything. The government is an imaginary construct we all share. It's not a decision making entity, nonetheless one with desires. There is no decision ever made by "the government". Decisions are made by individual human beings, and yes, some of them would have no problem willing your entire family as collateral damage in the fight for terror. So a few million innocent people including your family die in the war on terror. With over seven billion people on Earth, that's not even a rounding error. Yes, this is the calculus those people working for the government do every day. Only a fool thinks his white skin or English name protects him.

More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed
TLDR: You're white skin makes it less likely you'll be killed, but it does damn little to protect you. And yes, this applies to the police, but in our society the police and the military are no longer separate. They've been thoroughly blurred.

The United States government has throughout it's history deliberately killed what it knew to be innocent American citizens. Yet magically, that history no longer applies because, because, because JESUS!

So my question stands. Would you be willing to let your entire family be innocent casualties of the war on terror? If the answer is anything less than a resounding yes, then it's hypocritical for you to be completely accepting of other innocent families being collateral damage or, even worse, deliberately targeted as the OP and zzyzzx would have.

And if the moral argument means nothing to you, there's the practical argument. All you do by killing innocents is feeding into terrorist propaganda and motivating non-terrorists into becoming terrorists. You cannot kill ideas by slaughtering innocents.

Dan8267 says

So my question stands. Would you be willing to let your entire family be innocent casualties of the war on terror? If the answer is anything less than a resounding yes, then it's hypocritical for you to be completely accepting of other innocent families being collateral damage or, even worse, deliberately targeted as the OP and zzyzzx would have.

And if the moral argument means nothing to you, there's the practical argument. All you do by killing innocents is feeding into terrorist propaganda and motivating non-terrorists into becoming terrorists. You cannot kill ideas by slaughtering innocents.

So your solution is to just leave the terrorists alone and let them kill us. Now why didn't I thunk that?

Strategist says

So your solution is to just leave the terrorists alone and let them kill us.

Not at all. I've stated many times that one of your greatest problems is your inability to see the world in terms of anything but dichotomies. Do you really think the only two choices are commit genocide or do nothing? Seriously, are they the only two options in your mind?

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

So your solution is to just leave the terrorists alone and let them kill us.

Not at all. I've stated many times that one of your greatest problems is your inability to see the world in terms of anything but dichotomies. Do you really think the only two choices are commit genocide or do nothing? Seriously, are they the only two options in your mind?

So what's your option besides sending them a Valentines card?

Strategist says

So what's your option besides sending them a Valentines card?

Irrelevant. This isn't about me.

Are you incapable of admitting that there is a hell of lot of land between do nothing and outright genocide?

Strategist says

So what's your option besides sending them a Valentines card?

You really can't think this through? Go after the money. It takes a lot of money to run all the wahabbi based radical mosques and madras schools around the world that are in reality terrorist recruiting and training camps. It takes lots of money to run terrorist organizations once they are recruited. No money no terrorism.

That means standing up to the saudis. Not going to happen. Far too many influential people in the US and Europe have their hand in the saudi cookie jar . Neither is muslim genocide going to happen. That's just small dick syndrome talking. So things are going to stumble along exactly like they are now for a long, long time no matter how much you and the other mouth breathers flap your jaw.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

bob2356 says

Go after the money.

Exactly. If ever there was a cause screaming for its own NGO, it's counter-wahabbanist research and advocacy and that would largely be a forensic accounting exercise.

Exposing children to assertions that the universe was created as a venue for them to be obligated to spend their life murdering people is child abuse and should be treated as a disease.

Every dollar dedicated to its promotion should be considered a criminal act.

Problem solved. Next

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

So what's your option besides sending them a Valentines card?

Irrelevant. This isn't about me.

Ha ha ha ha. So you have no other option. I was hoping for some BS i could pee on.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

So what's your option besides sending them a Valentines card?

You really can't think this through? Go after the money. It takes a lot of money to run all the wahabbi based radical mosques and madras schools around the world that are in reality terrorist recruiting and training camps. It takes lots of money to run terrorist organizations once they are recruited. No money no terrorism.

How can i disagree? The Wahabi's are the mother of all terrorism.

bob2356 says

That means standing up to the saudis. Not going to happen. Far too many influential people in the US and Europe have their hand in the saudi cookie jar . Neither is muslim genocide going to happen. That's just small dick syndrome talking. So things are going to stumble along exactly like they are now for a long, long time no matter how much you and the other mouth breathers flap your jaw.

You have a good point. That is why we need to elect people like Trump and make Muslims fight Muslims. :)

curious2 says

This.

Rew seems to imagine that the "moderate Nazis", who didn't personally murder people in camps, were not the enemy.

But there are Nazi movements and fascist movements still all over the world today. Are you telling me these people also fall within your camp of "the enemy"?

What is your solution for that remaining fringe and the non-fringe of over 2 billion Muslims?

Rew says

the non-fringe of over 2 billion Muslims?

I'll skip over your rhetorical questions and merely point out your math, in addition to referring you to my earlier comments. No point going back and forth on this topic with people who remain determined to promote Hijrah despite the lethal costs and other problems it will cause to their fellow citizens and even their own families when more people do what Islam says. Non-Muslim Nazis are nowhere near power anywhere, but in most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia. You can't even muster the courage to denounce Sharia, let alone Islam, so nothing is gained by wasting time on pointless back and forth. Tell your Muslim "friends" to free Asia Bibi from death row, if you dare, but be warned: Islam says to execute her, and to kill you if you disagree with that.

curious2 says

You can't even muster the courage to denounce Sharia, let alone Islam, so nothing is gained by wasting time on pointless back and forth.

So, no solution then. We just label groups of people "the enemy" and that's it?

Very interesting you can compare Sharia/Islam to the Nazi movement, but not advocate doing anything about it. Might you have some secret tolerance and harbor there for Islam yourself than? Odd.

Rew says

that's it?

You and I have disagreed repeatedly about this topic, and my comments remain plain to see. You know perfectly well the specific proposals I have listed, including something like the Muslim ban that President Trump campaigned on, as well as other specific proposals in this very thread. Unlike some, I do not rush to call anyone a liar, but I want you now to explain how you could possibly believe what you wrote.

Also, CAN YOU SAY THE WORDS, "Free Asia Bibi, Sharia is wrong, she should be free?" If you can't say those words, if you lack the courage to stand up for even the most basic freedom of speech in our Constitution, then you're not worth the time wasted on you.

Rew says

curious2 says

You can't even muster the courage to denounce Sharia, let alone Islam, so nothing is gained by wasting time on pointless back and forth.

So, no solution then. We just label groups of people "the enemy" and that's it?

Very interesting you can compare Sharia/Islam to the Nazi movement, but not advocate doing anything about it. Might you have some secret tolerance and harbor there for Islam yourself than? Odd.

Shame on you Rew. You really need to read the posts by Curious before making such claims.

curious2 says

Unlike some, I do not rush to call anyone a liar, but I want you now to explain how you could possibly believe what you wrote.

What are you referring to? Your accusation that I'm some weird Nazi sympathizer? I have no clue what you think the solution to Radical Islamic Terrorism is other than your repeated claims that all of Islam is bad and apparently now all Muslims are "the enemy".

Strategist says

Shame on you Rew. You really need to read the posts by Curious before making such claims.

What did I miss? Sorry.

curious2 says

"Free Asia Bibi, Sharia is wrong, she should be free?" If you can't say those words, if you lack the courage to stand up for even the most basic freedom of speech in our Constitution, then you're not worth the time wasted on you.

Definitely seems like she should be free based on what I've read.