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bob2356 says

The real question is why less than half of health care spending goes to doctors and hospitals who actually treat the patients

Bob, your eyes are going again, or you're hallucinating and/or lying again. The exchange chart says physicians and hospitals get 68%. The AMA chart attributes similarly more than 60% to physicians, hospitals, nursing, clinical services, and home health care. Both attribute more than 10% to drugs, at least some of which do actually treat patients. You've also as usual raised various straw men, accusing me of saying things I never said, etc. Apparently, you can't remember who said what, so you attribute everything in your imagination and failing memory to whomever you're mad at. The cat litter, opiates, and/or opioids have sadly robbed you. Please try not to drive sideways at 80MPH, in fact it might be time to turn in your keys, as you persist in seeing things that aren't there.

bob2356 says

goes to doctors and hospitals who actually treat the patients

curious2 says

The AMA chart attributes similarly more than 60% to

I remember just fine. I said doctors and hospitals. I quoted it here since you don't seem to have the ability to retain information from post to post. In my world 32.3+15.7 is less than 50. From your chart you posted. Looks like it might be time to turn in your keys if you are so demented you can't do that math. Don't project your very serious mental problems onto me.

Like I said when the opiate/cat litter comes out it means your bullshit is exposed and you are reduced to jumping around with non stop shape shifting bogus strawman arguments like the cost of drugs is patient care. Funny,how both your charts lists drugs separately. Why was that if it's part of doctors and hospitals? Contradict yourself much?

Still no explanation of why the huge amount of money syphoned off by the health insurance system is never ever a part of your constant nonsensical ranting about health care.

Quick answer the phone, someone wants to buy health insurance.

bob2356 says

health insurance system is never

That's ludicrous. I've written so much about that some PatNetters thought I couldn't write about anything else and started calling me autistic. Dr. Howard Dean said insurance companies "wrote" Obamneycare.

You do have patterns though. You harangue people with sarcasm and rhetorical questions, and if you get a literal answer then you rage and rant and rave. In this thread, you asked Patrick (maybe rhetorically/sarcastically) where the money was going, and I answered with charts. You seem especially to hate data that disprove your assumptions.

What I've objected to most is the tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse: 30% per Institute of Medicine, more than 50% IMO. Obamneycare entrenched the existing industry including insurance, and anyone can see my comments on that topic.

At this point you're just mad because I answered your question, so you're making up stuff.

curious2 says

That's ludicrous. I've written so much about that some PatNetters thought I couldn't write about anything else and started calling me autistic. Dr. Howard Dean said insurance companies "wrote" Obamneycare.

Funny, not a singe one of the articles talks about the cost of the health insurance system. Not one. One talks a little about them being involved in legislating ACA. That's it. Where is all the writing on the subject that you are referring to?

curious2 says

You do have an odd pattern though. You harangue people with sarcasm and rhetorical questions, and if you get a literal answer then you rage and rant and rave. In this thread, you asked Patrick (maybe rhetorically/sarcastically) where the money was going, and I answered with charts. You seem especially to hate data that disprove your assumptions.

Your charts show where the money is being distributed to. I asked where the money was going to, meaning what it was being spent on, not who was getting the checks. What health care dollars are spent on that makes the system so expensive is all that matters. Like profits, lobbying, billing costs, insurance as well as fru. Everyone else seems to have figured out what I was talking about. .

curious2 says

What I've objected to most is the tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse: 30% per Institute of Medicine, m

You never seem object to profits, lobbying, billing costs, insurance costs, etc. Or are you saying the health insurance industry is part of waste and fraud?

The insurance industry is driving doctors out of the healthcare industry, or at least into truly private practices where insurance isn't a factor, like concierge medicine.
Now the typical PCP has to submit care reports to the insurance company which detail tests run and medications prescribed. If any of that differs from the best practices program concocted by the insurance honchos, they issue the doctor a warning via a poor review. Too many warnings and they may revoke coverage with that doctor. This means that physicians have to do around twice as much paperwork as time spent seeing patients. If they want to keep up with patient load, they'll have to stay late at the office filling out paperwork.
It's enough to drive many into a strict "cash only" or concierge medicine practice where patients pay a retainer fee of $1000 or more to gain access to care.

bob2356 says

as well as fru.

Now you're mad at fire rescue units? They do help people, you know. Somehow, in your mind, doctors are omnipresent with magical faith healing powers and don't need medicine. You refuse to see that some patients need emergency responders, medicine, and nurses. You must have a really weird medical and billing practice if you don't use any medicine, and it's obviously hypocritical of you to take opiates and opioids yourself while saying medicine has no role in helping patients.

bob2356 says

Where is all the writing on the subject that you are referring to?

Here on the WWW, you can find links. If you click a link to a thread, you can find many comments there, e.g. this one. I saw several articles about insurance.

Ooh, hey, check this insurance sales pitch, from 2012:

"Newspaper "journalists" accept speaking fees from AHIP and even the tobacco companies. (What do these companies have in common? They both kill their customers for profit.)"

Now how much would you pay?

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