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Rew says

Not insignificant

Every "point" and "discovery" they've found so far has needed this disclaimer...

Congress punished the fuckers, so mission accomplished.

#fuckrussia

Rew says

The wheels are turning, every day. Have no fear.

Bizarro world. Bankers are immune from prosecution. The MSM is crap. Both parties are corrupt. Just look at the rumors swirling around about a Deval "Ameriquest" Patrick running for president. The elites run this country, and manipulate the "news.'

Well Fusion GPS had Russian connections. Trump should appoint a special prosecutor on Hillary and Comey and Lynch. Lynch already pleaded the 5th-is there any other Attorney general in the history of our country that has pleaded the 5th??

Oh so now if people don't work at the same job forever it's some kind of damning condemnation?
Another libby principal in the quest to line the sardines up in the tin...

AllTruth says

Where are all the former populist-right nutjob "news anchors," radio and cable news jockeys, anyways?

You know -

Bill O'Reilly

Rush Limbaugh

Glenn Beck

lostand confused says

Well Fusion GPS had Russian connections. Trump should appoint a special prosecutor on Hillary and Comey and Lynch. Lynch already pleaded the 5th-is there any other Attorney general in the history of our country that has pleaded the 5th??

http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/07/30/deputy-attorney-general-son-of-g-gordon-liddy-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges/

Tim Aurora says

It goes in spurts. I think the next pick up will be when Trump fires Sessions

Sessions is getting a promotion. You'll just love the next AG.

Tim Aurora says

It goes in spurts. I think the next pick up will be when Trump fires Sessions

Yeah, that would do it.

The media chases stories, so each new Russia thread gets play. Each new Trump fuckup gets play. When Trump is focused on Russia, his fuckups are Russia threads, and they get lots of play. It's that simple.

The Trump supporters seem to think it's a big plot controlled by somebody (who?) to damage Trump. Fuck Occam's Razor - doesn't apply.

Maddow or the Aged British Hipster cover some far-fetched story with few to no sources, and those questionable or simply heresay.
The Twitteratti cover it the next day.
TDS Sufferers absorb this and it gets added to their 'memory' of 'all the' Trump-Russia Collusion, even though it is eventually debunked or forgotten.

Meanwhile, Cable Show Turds, Verified Twitter Liberals and Facebook Posters "compete" to be the first to be snarky to a tweet.

Let's pee on the prostitutes, shall we?

TL;DR: Anti-Trumpites of 2017 are like the Freepers of 1999.

Except some actually have television shows.

dishonest liberals probably moved on to other types of fake news.

Rachel maddow has become a pure no-evidence conspiracist. Hilarious that the same people who eat this shit up also criticize Alex jones.

Rew says

Are we really doing another "Russia narrative is dead" thread? LOL You cannot expect big revelations daily/weekly/even monthly.

I stand corrected. We are getting Russia drip drip drip, and progress, weekly.

I don't know where the Russia story went. Last place I saw it was here, this morning. A couple ex CIA experts weighing in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/opinion/donald-trump-russia-collusion-cia.html?ref=opinion

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

dishonest liberals probably moved on to other types of fake news.

For the record, Mueller is no liberal, nor or many of his staff. Prior to Trump people from all stripes would simply call him, and his team, by one word: "patriots".

marcus says

A couple ex CIA experts weighing in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/opinion/donald-trump-russia-collusion-cia.html?ref=opinion

From linked opinion article
Of course, to determine whether collusion occurred, we would have to know whether the Trump campaign continued to meet with Russian representatives subsequent to the June meeting. The early “courting” stage is almost always somewhat open and discoverable. Only after the Russian intelligence officer develops a level of control can the relationship be moved out of the public eye. John Brennan, the former director of the C.I.A., recently testified, “Frequently, people who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late.”
So, Trump accidently committed treason?

Russia missing again!

Has the whole charade collapsed?I haven't heard the clearly fake "Russia collusion" news mentioned in the mainstream press for quite a while now.

Isn't it time for stories on how the entire thing was simply slander by the mainstream media?

Patrick says

Isn't it time for stories on how the entire thing was simply slander by the mainstream media?

That would require honesty and introspection on the behalf of our clearly propaganda mainstream media. I wouldn’t hold your breath for any mea culpa’s. They’ll ignore whatever doesn’t fit their narrative, downplay it, whatabout it with some other scandal, and try to sweep the whole thing under the rug. With the millions of articles and hyperbole about the topic, however, this is going to be like trying to sweep the Titanic under a 4 foot throw rug.

Wait for the criminal investigations into those who misappropriated power to spy on political opponents

Patrick says

Has the whole charade collapsed?I haven't heard the now clearly fake "Russia collusion" news mentioned in the mainstream press for quite a while now.

There was never anything there, they were only hoping to find a botched real estate deal or misplaced transactions so they could pre-sell that as a baloney narrative.

Now they are trying to sell the idea that using an informant to spy on the Trump Campaign was ... to protect Trump. LOL!

Anybody think Clinton got such protection? Hahahahah

CBOEtrader says

Wait for the criminal investigations into those who misappropriated power to spy on political opponents

To paraphrase Quigley above, that would require honesty on the behalf of the very apparatus that was spying on Trump.

Feux Follets says

Pompeo Affirms, Reluctantly, That Russia Tried to Help Trump Win....

So just to recap:
Hillary raised Hundreds of Billions more than Trump and still Lost.

Because, according to the DNC and the Media, Russia spent $43,000 on Facebook which nullified those hundreds of Billions given to pro-Clinton SuperPACs

Russia's Facebook Ad Spend was about a tenth of what Bill Clinton got from a Uranium One Partner Renaissance Capital ($500,000) a few days after the deal went through, but that had nothing to do with anything unless you're a crazed conspiracy theorist.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Because, according to the DNC and the Media, Russia spent $43,000 on Facebook which nullified those hundreds of Billions given to pro-Clinton SuperPACs

Actually, almost all of the Russian spending on Facebook was after the election and most of that was intended simply to sow racial discord in the US (which worked very well). This is according to Rob Goldman, head of Facebook advertising, and his destruction of the Russia hoax with a few simple facts will never be forgiven by the MSM.

Russia had nothing to do with the election of Trump, but the media repeated the lie about Russia so long that lots of people mistakenly believe it.

Nothing much. So Russia wanted Trump to win, big deal. Every country favors one US presidential candidate or another.

But there is no evidence of Russian influence, only copious and blindingly obvious evidence that the MSM hyped the issue to Mars and back without evidence because they hate Trump so much.

Since the MSM has so thoroughly discredited its supposed impartiality, it is desperate for anything it can point to to

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Because, according to the DNC and the Media, Russia spent $43,000 on Facebook

and the majority of those ads were seen AFTER the election, not before...

44% of total ad impressions (number of times ads were displayed) were before the US election on November 8, 2016; 56% were after the election.
Roughly 25% of the ads were never shown to anyone. That’s because advertising auctions are designed so that ads reach people based on relevance, and certain ads may not reach anyone as a result.

Feux Follets says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-23/pompeo-affirms-reluctantly-that-russia-tried-to-help-trump-win

If you read the article, it's one of the weakest conclusions from the intel, and Pompeo and others have said that repeatedly.

It seemed to me Russia wanted to help BERNIE the most.

We know that Russia was really interested in BLM and spent a lot of energy pushing "Evil White Cops" narrative on Sputnik and RT and on social media. And that Russia spent more money in the weeks after the election than before it, pushing all the Anarchist and Pussy Hat crap.

That's one fact the Left and the Media studiously ignores.

Feux Follets says

(why does the base on this forum bring up Hillary or Obama on a daily basis ?

Because after Wasserman rigged the election for Hillary, she was the only real alternative to Trump. So when you say Trump sucks, it's worth contrasting him with the certain alternative winner (and not with some fictional generic Democrat).

someone else says

Nothing much. So Russia wanted Trump to win, big deal. Every country favors one US presidential candidate or another.

Forgotten is that Germany and other countries that gain from the messed up trade imbalance that favors them wanted Hillary.

#fuckrussia

Gosh, still absolutely zero evidence of any collusion with Russia after a year and a half.

How can this be? Could it (gasp) possibly have been deliberate bullshit run by the media under instructions from the failed Hillary campaign?

But that would mean that our media is simply the lapdog of globalization interests which profit by driving down wages for US citizens by exporting jobs and importing illegals. Say it ain't so!

Patrick says

Gosh, still absolutely zero evidence of any collusion with Russia after a year and a half.

No, LOTS of evidence. Literally TONS.

Did you see the latest?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/roger-stone-says-he-forgot-meeting-russian-who-offered-clinton-n884181

The best is Stone saying he "forgot" about this meeting when talking with investigators previously. I'm sure that's possible, right? Innocent men always lie about meetings, right?

Patrick says

How can this be? Could it (gasp) possibly have been deliberate bullshit run by the media under instructions from the failed Hillary campaign?

Trump bombed Russians in Syria, killing anywhere from 200 to 600 of them. This most definitely proves that he is a Russian puppet, as people who are not Russian puppets, do not bomb them. (sarcasm, if someone does not understand this). I do not recall Obama bloodying Putin's nose anywhere.

See http://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073

In the third clip, a man can be heard explaining the Russian convoy was a few hundred meters away from target when the American forces raised their flag and hit the Russians with a heavy artillery barrage, wiping out the first column instantly. “We got our fucking asses beat rough, the Yankees made their point,” he said. “What were they hoping for, that the Yankees are just going to fuck off?... It’s bullshit, some people can’t even be fucking ID’ed, too many people there.”

In another of the clips, a man claims, “There are about 215 fucking killed” on the Russian side.

LeonDurham says

No, LOTS of evidence. Literally TONS.

Lol, tons.

I suppose if one ignores all the other meetings that both candidates had with people from various countries (Saudi, anyone?) and just look at the very few involving Russia, and squint real hard, you can almost see what you want to see. Except not really. Nothingburgers are not very filling.

Patrick says

Lol, tons.

I suppose if one ignores all the other meetings that both candidates had with people from various countries (Saudi, anyone?) and just look at the very few involving Russia, and squint real hard, you can almost see what you want to see. Except not really. Nothingburgers are not very filling.

lol is right.

Did the Saudi's offer incriminating emails in exchange for $2MM?

Did Stone, Kushner, Trump Jr., etc, etc, all lie about meetings with the Saudis?

Did Papadapolous lie about meeting the Saudis?

Not sure if there really was collusion, but there sure as hell is evidence of it. And all the lying by Trump associates certainly is not making him look less guilty.

from the article LeonDurham claims is new evidence:

Roger Stone and Michael Caputo say they forgot to tell investigators about their contact with a Russian national who goes by the name Henry Greenberg — even though they say Greenberg offered to sell incriminating information to the Trump campaign for $2 million.

"I flatly rejected his proposal in what was a 20-minute meeting and never mentioned it to Trump or the Trump campaign because the idea was so ludicrous," Stone told NBC News in an email. The contact was first reported by The Washington Post.

Someone offered to sell (a at high price) and the offer was turned down. Saying this is "collusion" is like accusing a man of "pandering" because a hooker shouted an offer at him even though the man ignored the offer and walked on.

HeadSet says

Someone offered to sell (a at high price) and the offer was turned down. Saying this is "collusion" is like accusing a man of "pandering" because a hooker shouted an offer at him even though the man ignored the offer and walked on.

Yes, that's what Stone says . What did you expect him to say...

And, tbh, this doesn't pass the smell test. How likely is it that Stone met with Russians, was offered incriminating information about Clinton for $2MM, but then somehow forgot about said meeting when asked about it during an investigation of Russian influence??? Are you kidding me??

LeonDurham says

The best is Stone saying he "forgot" about this meeting when talking with investigators previously. I'm sure that's possible, right? Innocent men always lie about meetings, right?

You guys forget every game Comey first then Mueller has ran has been a preemptive measure to deflect any future guilt they knew were in the works.
Those following the real issues from the start of Trump's campaign, those of us, that questioned WHY and HOW, did the 13 worst GOP Primary Challengers held out as long as they did while many of them never got over 2% of the Poll. For those of us that followed the Primary process both on the Republican and Democrat field. Were quite aware that Trump had key smart people ahead in those districts to legally challenge the whole of them that tried to run roughshod over their constituents and were going to just choose Mitt Romney over the anyone. The votes weren't even going to count. We knew when they first said the DNC servers were hacked. The DNC actually had a disgruntled leaker, who didn't like the way they were wholesaling Clinton's victory and was killed for it. We knew about Epstein's island before the Liberal press was reporting Trump had sex with a 15 year old. That pretty much died in concept and never went past a short lived vicious rumor. But they did mention Russian Hookers before they were even finished faking the Fake PeePee Dossier. The more it looked like Trump would win the more nervous they all got. They knew Trump would prosecute Hillary. So they fabricated the Russia story and have been acting on authority nobody in Congress or the DOJ has. Trump would have been well within his right to shut it all down. Letting them know that if they had empirical indisputable evidence of any wrong doing then they have to put it up. But they were no going to make a mockery of the President office by putting on a kangaroo show like they were doing. You can't impeach a President that isn't even President yet, and that's exactly what they all vocally colluded and sat out to do since the day after the Election day.

Now to the American voter it flies in their faces, that they accuse Trump of Colluding while they watched the trumped up made up charges start since before he was even elected. The made up charges even changed in scale and scope. When one fails they invent another, the unrestricted phising expeditions. It's just so transparently sickening and will cost the Democrat and the Establishment candidates in the next elections.

What is going on with the Lefties today?

Reality Denial and Projection out in force.

I think they just realized Trump isn't just a Lucky Monkey, and that they have an implacable foe.

Tenpoundbass says

Now to the American voter it flies in their faces, that they accuse Trump of Colluding while they watched the trumped up made up charges start since before he was even elected. The made up charges even changed in scale and scope. When one fails they invent another, the unrestricted phising expeditions. It's just so transparently sickening and will cost the Democrat and the Establishment candidates in the next elections.

Why, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Florida were lost because RT spent $20,000 on some Facebook or whatever.

Man, Putin is better at spending campaign money than a whole army of lifetime US Election Professionals. Look at the ROI he got! Podesta was spending a million or more a day for Hillary, Putin dropped what, $100k for the whole of 2016.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

What is going on with the Lefties today?

Reality Denial and Projection out in force.

I think they just realized Trump isn't just a Lucky Monkey, and that they have an implacable foe.

I believe that's against the rules laid down by Goran.

You are clearly referencing me in that post.