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"Spare Me The Outrage About DACA"


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2017 Sep 5, 3:52pm   5,329 views  21 comments

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Whether it comes from the left, right, CEOs (who love cheap labor damn the law to Hell) or others, just spare me the tears, ok?

I'm not swayed by the claim that the kids involved are blameless. That doesn't matter; the fact is that they have accessed and consumed services in this nation to which they were not entitled over the previous years, and nobody is demanding that they pay the cost of said services back.

Theft by conversion is still theft. Yes, if you have no ability to reason at the time (because you're a young child) then you cannot be held criminally liable for said theft, but the fact of the matter is that you still got the benefit and paid nothing for it.

That it was your parents that worked under the table (and thus evaded said taxes) or worse, stole someone's identity (and thus committed both a criminal act and imposed direct cost on someone else) isn't material. You were the beneficiary of that conduct -- both directly in your home and indirectly in your access to schools, infrastructure, medical care and more that you wouldn't have had. You've benefited greatly over these years.

May I remind you that President Obama, when he announced this program, admitted he had no legal authority to do so. Congress could have changed the law over the intervening time, and indeed prior to that time, but did not and has not.

Speaker Ryan's mealy-mouthed nonsense is even worse, as the person who could have brought said bill to the floor of the House and hasn't done so. He is the worst sort of hypocrite and jackass, in that he's made a nice name for himself by claiming to be for the Rule of Law -- right up until it is proposed to be enforced.

Then he turns into someone who condones said theft instead.

DACA is illegal folks. This is not about compassion, it's about the rule of law. If someone manages to break into a bank every day and steal $20 without being caught for years or even decades that does not change the fundamental nature of their act, nor the fact that's illegal. Getting away with an illegal act does not make it lawful; it just means, especially when it's done openly and notoriously, that you managed to sufficiently bribe the cops.

The latter, may I remind you, is a second and more-serious offense, because corruption of the rule of law is usually considered more-serious than simply ignoring or breaking the law.

No, holding cute babies up to the camera won't change my mind. Nor will appeals to my alleged "better side." The fact of the matter is that our nation's immigration laws are what they are and those who intentionally broke said laws and/or profited from same must not be rewarded for doing so by giving them the ability to stay, permanent residency or even worse, citizenship.

Nope, nope and nope. All of the DACA folks have a nation -- but it's not the United States. They're citizens of some other country, to which they must return. Once they've done so if they so choose they may petition to enter the United States for the purpose of residency via the established and lawful basis, and should be expected to repay, with interest, all of their previously ill-gotten gains.

If they have acquired skills and education while here then on a score-based system they'd actually have an advantage in requesting legal status -- from their nation of citizenship.

But not while here -- while here they are illegal invaders, whether they knowingly broke the law or not, whether carried by their parent(s) or wildcatting on their own.

The law either must be applied evenly or it is meaningless. Congress neither has a right or an obligation to retroactively change these facts -- only prospectively. The administration, for its part, has an obligation to enforce the law -- not an option to do so or not, as President Obama asserted. That obligation stands as one of the primary pillars of our Constitution and in fact is an explicit component in the oath that the President, and those who serve in the executive or legislature where oaths are required, take before ascending to the office in question.

DACA must end and those who promote otherwise must be driven from public office and the boardrooms in which they sit. Those firms who profit from and advocate for the intentional violation of Federal immigration law must find the firm and all responsible executives charged under said law as accessories before and after the fact and their companies must have their charters revoked and be disbanded.

Enough.

#politics

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1   anonymous   2017 Sep 5, 4:15pm  

Holy crap I need to wipe my eyes after reading that crap. Denninger is a Crumb Bumb Creep Lush Coward.
2   GNL   2017 Sep 5, 4:17pm  

Sounds correct to me. Also throw all the politicians and law/immigration agencies who turned their backs on the rule of law out of the country with them.
3   mell   2017 Sep 5, 4:26pm  

errc says
Holy crap I need to wipe my eyes after reading that crap. Denninger is a Crumb Bumb Creep Lush Coward.


Trying to understand your point here. What about every legal immigrant standing in line, some for 10, 15 or even 20 years (esp. after the dramatic GC reduction following 9/11), waiting patiently, paying into social security without getting anything back should they get denied or lose their temp visa, following the rule of law and proving they have the desired necessary skills? How do those people deserve to get fucked over by illegal immigration or grandfathered immigrants? The USA is about equal opportunity which is destroyed if the rule of law is not followed, KD is right, DACA is unconstitutional. You think those legal immigrants from Europe, India, Bangladesh or wherever are happy about the fact that illegals can surface after 3 years and get amnesty and/or use their children as anchors? How do you tell somebody how immigrated legally over a 10+ year time-frame, let alone someone who eventually got denied, that you are standing for a fair and "good-hearted" process?
4   GNL   2017 Sep 5, 4:40pm  

mell says
errc says
Holy crap I need to wipe my eyes after reading that crap. Denninger is a Crumb Bumb Creep Lush Coward.


Trying to understand your point here. What about every legal immigrant standing in line, some for 10, 15 or even 20 years (esp. after the dramatic GC reduction following 9/11), waiting patiently, paying into social security without getting anything back should they get denied or lose their temp visa, following the rule of law and proving they have the desired necessary skills? How do those people deserve to get fucked over by illegal immigration or grandfathered immigrants? The USA is about equal opportunity which is destroyed if the rule of law is not followed, KD is right, DACA is unconstitutional. You think those legal immigrants from Europe, India, Bangladesh ow wherever are happy about the fact that illegals can surface after 3 years and get amnesty and/or use their children as a...


Don't hold your breath getting any kind of sensible answer. There isn't one other than people thinking that borders (they've only existed for, like forever) shouldn't exist.
5   Patrick   2017 Sep 5, 4:43pm  

Good fences make good neighbors.
6   fdhfoiehfeoi   2017 Sep 5, 4:44pm  

The US has some of the easiest immigration laws in the world. Enforcing the ones we have won't change that.

My Mother and Father in law went to LA and naturalized my future wife and brothers-in-law, they didn't scrape under some fence. Every time I hear someone say every fence jumper who can get in should get the same opportunities they earned, it makes me sick.
7   lostand confused   2017 Sep 5, 4:49pm  

LOl the dems who claimed he would weasel out, seem to be quiet?
8   RWSGFY   2017 Sep 5, 5:13pm  

mell says
errc says
Holy crap I need to wipe my eyes after reading that crap. Denninger is a Crumb Bumb Creep Lush Coward.


Trying to understand your point here.


It's called "argumentum ad hominem".
9   anonymous   2017 Sep 5, 6:09pm  

SpecialSnowflake says
mell says
errc says
Holy crap I need to wipe my eyes after reading that crap. Denninger is a Crumb Bumb Creep Lush Coward.


Trying to understand your point here.


It's called "argumentum ad hominem".


Not in English. It's called doing a cost benefit analysis and prioritizing. Why doesn't ol Denninger apply the same reasoning to anything else? Chasing pennies while dollars are ripped from your pocket, is the definition of a Crumb Bumb
10   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Sep 5, 6:42pm  

Very good post Mell.

I strongly suspect that loads of Democrats and their supporters don't actually know what it is they are upset about.
11   anonymous   2017 Sep 5, 7:53pm  

mell says
DACA must end and those who promote otherwise must be driven from public office and the boardrooms in which they sit. Those firms who profit from and advocate for the intentional violation of Federal immigration law must find the firm and all responsible executives charged under said law as accessories before and after the fact and their companies must have their charters revoked and be disbanded.


Executives who employ illegal aliens should be imprisoned. Let's start with Tim Cook.


The memo, which was obtained by TechCrunch this morning, notes Cook’s “deep dismay” at the planned end for a program that could impact the lives of 800,000 Americas. As the executive noted over the weekend, that list includes more than 250 Apple employees.

Cook relays the stories of some of the employees who contacted him following his tweet over the weekend and the release of a letter last week that he cosigned along with other top executives from companies like Amazon, Facebook and Microsoft.
12   HEY YOU   2017 Sep 5, 8:27pm  

Will a fence stop Rep/Con/Nazis from buying imported goods from Mexico benefiting Mexican workers & keeping Republicans from having good AMERICAN jobs?
How many R/C/Ns have lost jobs to outsourcing under R/C/Ns Administrations & Congress.
Damn! A fence will stop Carrier jobs from returning to America.
MAGA!
13   fdhfoiehfeoi   2017 Sep 6, 10:52am  

null says
Executives who employ illegal aliens should be imprisoned. Let's start with Tim Cook.


This will happen the day they jail bank execs for their crimes.

But yes, it makes no sense to punish only the illegals, and not the ones hiring them. If no one hires illegals, how many will still come to the US? A lot less, that's for sure...
14   bob2356   2017 Sep 6, 11:13am  

NuttBoxer says

This will happen the day they jail bank execs for their crimes.


Bank executives were jailed for their crimes for many years. It stopped shortly after the dotcom bubble prosecutions. Why? Basically the Bush DOJ was too disorganized and incompetent while the Obama DOJ was too timid and afraid of corporate defence lawyers. Take the time to read The Chickenshit Club: Why the Justice Department Fails to Prosecute Executives by Jesse EIsinger for all the details.
15   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Sep 6, 11:59am  

mell says

I'm not swayed by the claim that the kids involved are blameless. That doesn't matter; the fact is that they have accessed and consumed services in this nation to which they were not entitled over the previous years, and nobody is demanding that they pay the cost of said services back.

Theft by conversion is still theft. Yes, if you have no ability to reason at the time (because you're a young child) then you cannot be held criminally liable for said theft, but the fact of the matter is that you still got the benefit and paid nothing for it.


On the way back home, Dreamers should thank the American taxpayer for their education, food stamps, free school meals, and tons of other free shit.

"Thank you, Middle America, for your amazing generosity."
16   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Sep 6, 12:00pm  

null says
Executives who employ illegal aliens should be imprisoned. Let's start with Tim Cook.


We imprison those who conspire to use or market undocumented products. Why not those who hire undocumented workers?

I guess we have the Rule of Law for copies of Windows and Bruno Mars MP3s but not for people who violate our borders.

Hey, if illegal aliens are okay, so are MLBA knockoff shirts and hats, along with pirating Disney movies.

It's absolutely flabbergasting that companies like Netflix, Microsoft, Apple, and Hulu ban VPN access to paying customers based on their geographical location, while supporting people moving into a geographical location with no permission.

Good for goose, good for the gander.
17   mell   2017 Sep 6, 1:10pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
It's absolutely flabbergasting that companies like Netflix, Microsoft, Apple, and Hulu ban VPN access to paying customers based on their geographical location, while supporting people moving into a geographical location with no permission.


Agreed. Worse Netflix and the other streamers are the first one to fight for the "good cause of net neutrality" when it means that otherwise their ISPs would raise prices on them for making big fat profits clogging up an infrastructure they paid nothing into.
18   Ernie   2017 Sep 6, 1:41pm  

errc says
Not in English. It's called doing a cost benefit analysis and prioritizing. Why doesn't ol Denninger apply the same reasoning to anything else? Chasing pennies while dollars are ripped from your pocket, is the definition of a Crumb Bumb

He actually does. He rails against medical scams all the time. However, we can rant and rail against something as much as we want, but nothing will change as Masters of Universe (TM) will do as they please. Illegal immigration benefits Democrats by providing new voters and Republicans by providing slave labor in construction and meat packing plants.
19   Ernie   2017 Sep 6, 1:44pm  

bob2356 says
Bush DOJ was too disorganized and incompetent while the Obama DOJ was too timid and afraid of corporate defence lawyers.

Or perhaps DOJ and politicians of both parties were owned by their paying customers/sponsors, e.i. large financial corporations.
20   bob2356   2017 Sep 6, 5:19pm  

drBu says
bob2356 says
Bush DOJ was too disorganized and incompetent while the Obama DOJ was too timid and afraid of corporate defence lawyers.

Or perhaps DOJ and politicians of both parties were owned by their paying customers/sponsors, e.i. large financial corporations.


Of course they are, by corporations of all kinds The ownership of the republicans is much stronger. They have been the party of business for a very long time and have struck a faustian bargain with the libertarian devil. Any republican not toeing the libertarian line finds themselves facing a very heavily funded libertarian/tea party primary challenger with their own sources of campaign funding totally dried up.

. The revolving door between DOJ and the big ticket DC law firms has gotten faster and faster the last 16 years. No one wants to offend potential high wealth employers while serving their time at DOJ. It's all a big club at this point. Very different than 20-30 years ago when federal prosecutors like Stanley Sporkin and Jed Rakoff were very aggressive and absolutely relentless pursuing corporations.
21   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Sep 6, 6:32pm  

mell says
Agreed. Worse Netflix and the other streamers are the first one to fight for the "good cause of net neutrality" when it means that otherwise their ISPs would raise prices on them for making big fat profits clogging up an infrastructure they paid nothing into.


Excellent point.

In short, what's bad for us shouldn't be enforced. What's good for us should be enforced rigorously.

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