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This isn't about free speech, it's about the customers dictating the policy.
What the hell? Of course it's about free speech. This is LITERALLY the Head of the Government saying that a citizen shouldn't have the right to criticize the government,
You think that's OK? You think that's what America is about? Silencing those who would criticize?
Kaepernick has as much to do with the common black man as OJ did
Oh yeah. I forgot that only poor people can fight on behalf of poor people.
Give me a fucking break.
Yes, there is no better display of unity than having a few team members refuse to stand for the national anthem of the Country. The only country where Football is a top sport.
It certainly got a lot of publicity and coverage. Seems like it worked to me. It shined a lot of light on the topic.
Fuck the NFL in the ass, and start by demanding a very modest level of acknowledgement in not tolerating long-pampered 6-7 figure Entertainers acting like they're oppressed, when every school they ever went to covered up their crimes that would have gotten any other student expelled or handed over to the police.
Hey--you're certainly free to not watch the NFL. If you don't want to watch black athletes, that's your choice.
What can't happen is the President of the United States trying to silence criticism and free speech.
Kaepernick has as much to do with the common black man as OJ did
Oh yeah. I forgot that only poor people can fight on behalf of poor people.
Give me a fucking break.
He's not fighting on behalf of anybody and doing neither a solid with his hypocritical virtue-signaling. He should go to Oakland's poorest neighborhoods and use some of his fortune he amassed kneeling to better their lives, engage in local projects and put some of his money to work right there.
He's not fighting on behalf of anybody and doing neither a solid with his hypocritical virtue-signaling. He should go to Oakland's poorest neighborhoods and use some of his fortune he amassed kneeling to better their lives, engage in local projects and put some of his money to work right there.
Sorry, you don't get to decide how and when he fights. He absolutely IS fighting on behalf of others.
You can go to the poorest neighborhoods in Oakland if that's how you think it should be done. Kaep has other ideas and he gets to make the choice of how he wants to protest.
You can post on here next time you donate $1MM to charity.
http://www.thewrap.com/colin-kaepernick-donate-1-million-charity/
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 7:50pm
What the hell? Of course it's about free speech. This is LITERALLY the Head of the Government saying that a citizen shouldn't have the right to criticize the government,
Nope. He said a Tax-exempt monopoly (that markets itself as a vaunted, almost holy, American institution) shouldn't tolerate disrespect for the anthem from contracted entertainers. The President also has Freedom of Speech.
What did Obama tweet that time about asking the boss for contraceptives, re: Hobby Lobby? I'd post the pic of the tweet but image upload isn't working.
The President also has Freedom of Speech.
lol--that's a good one.
What did Obama tweet that time about asking the boss for contraceptives, re: Hobby Lobby? I'd post the pic of the tweet but image upload isn't working.
How is that evenly remotely analogous?
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 7:59pm
The NFL is worse than organized religion because tax-free organized religion can't strongarm the City/State/County into paying for a Worship Center like the NFL can.
And many religious centers actually dig into their pockets to do shit for Vets. Nor do Choir Members make 6-7 figures to sing once or twice a week.
The NFL is worse than organized religion because tax-free organized religion can't strongarm the City/State/County into paying for a Worship Center like the NFL can.
And many religious centers actually dig into their pockets to do shit for Vets. Nor do Choir Members make 6-7 figures to sing once or twice a week.
Trump would be fine if he said they should lose their tax-exemption. I'd agree with him!
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 8:03pm
How is that evenly remotely analogous?
Obama expressed his opinion that employers should have no say in contraception. Trump expressed his opinion that entertainers of a tax-exempt Monopoly drowning tax-payer subsidies shouldn't be employed if they refuse to acknowledge respect for the nation that literally makes their lifestyle possible.
Obama expressed his opinion that employers should have no say in contraception. Trump expressed his opinion that entertainers of a tax-exempt Monopoly drowning tax-payer subsidies shouldn't be employed if they refuse to acknowledge respect for the nation that literally makes their lifestyle possible.
You're kidding right.
Trump said a US citizen shouldn't have the right to protest.
Obama made a statement about health care policy.
There is literally NO similarity. None.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 8:15pm
AltLeft 99% of the time: "Fuck Sports, it's so barbaric and stupid and injurious. Bread and Circuses. Instead, unite for a Socialist Revolution!"
AltLeft when NFL players hate cops, USA: "YAY! Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!"
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 8:16pm
Trump said a US citizen shouldn't have the right to protest.
He has a right to protest.
Currently, his tax-exempt, heavily taxpayer-subsidized employer has the right to let him go/bench him/not renew his contract.
Where was your outrage when Google fired that IT Guy?
I believe if you can be fired (in California, no less) for writing a memo expressing skepticism, you can certainly be fired for going out of your way (Kneeling) to disrespect the national anthem while on camera while employed by "America's Pasttime" and damaging the brand.
Hey, I think Entertainers and Artists are free to express themselves, but not free to demand to get patronage while they do it.
AltLeft 99% of the time: "Fuck Sports, it's so barbaric and stupid and injurious. Bread and Circuses. Instead, unite for a Socialist Revolution!"
AltLeft when NFL players hate cops, USA: "YAY! Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!"
The above has nothing to do with The President trying to stifle free speech. Or with your blatant hypocrisy.
He has a right to protest.
Currently, his tax-exempt, heavily taxpayer-subsidized employer has the right to let him go/bench him/not renew his contract.
Where was your outrage when Google fired that IT Guy?
I had no outrage and, unlike you, my position has been 100% consistent. An employer has the right to fire, or not fire, their employer for making statements detrimental to their employer.
Google is within its rights to fire the IT guy.
The NFL is within its rights (assuming it doesn't contradict the collectively bargained employment agreement) to fire Kaep if it feels he is making statements that damage the NFL brand.
What isn't allowed is the President of the US trying to stifle free speech, however.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 8:21pm
The above has nothing to do with The President trying to stifle free speech. Or with your blatant hypocrisy.
How does Trump expressing his opinion stifle free speech? He didn't stop being a citizen when he became President. In fact, being a Natural Citizen of the USA is a requirement for the job.
Did Obama stifle Freedom of Speech when he tweeted a pic saying "Ask your BOSS about Contraception"?
Did Eric Schmidt seek to stifle Freedom of Speech when he fired a non-famous, non-televised IT Guy for writing a memo?
What makes much caressed career Football Players (regularly nationally televised) and their Employers above criticism?
How does Trump expressing his opinion stifle free speech?
When one is the President, one isn't allowed to "express opinions" that contradict the Constitution. You realize that Trump cannot speak as a private citizen anymore once he becomes President. He is speaking as the leader of the United States, and as such, cannot "express an opinion" that a US citizen shouldn't be allowed to exercise his right to free speech.
Did Obama stifle Freedom of Speech when he tweeted a pic saying "Ask your BOSS about Contraception"?
Of course not. He encouraged free speech actually. Telling people to ask a question is promoting free speech.
Did Eric Schmidt seek to stifle Freedom of Speech when he fired a non-famous, non-televised IT Guy for writing a memo?
Nope. He wasn't President of the United States.
What makes much caressed career Football Players and their Employers above criticism?
Nothing. You and I are free to criticize them as much as we want. I do this very loudly most Sundays.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 8:27pm
When one is the President, one isn't allowed to "express opinions" that contradict the Constitution.
Hmmm, Obama expressed his opinions about a Supreme Court Decision.
"express and opinion" that a US citizen shouldn't be allowed to exercise his right to free speech
He can certainly express his opinion that an employer cut an entertainer's contract over behavior he regards as crossing the line.
As can anybody else.
Just like Obama can express his opposition to a Supreme Court Decision, literally the most "contradicting the Constitution" thing you can do. Bar sending in the Army and declaring their opinion "Null and Void by Act of the President" of course.
Just like Obama can express his opposition to a Supreme Court Decision, literally the most "contradicting the Constitution" thing you can do. Bar sending in the Army and declaring their opinion "Null and Void by Act of the President" of course.
Hardly. Obama's opinion was that the Supreme Court's decision was at odds with the Constitution. He didn't contradict the Constitution at all. He defended the Constitution actually.
He can certainly express his opinion that an employer cut an entertainer's contract over behavior he regards as crossing the line.
No, as President, he really can't. As Donald Trump, private citizen, he can. As Trump Inc., he can. As leader of the US, he can't.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 8:33pm
Hardly. Obama's opinion was that the Supreme Court's decision was at odds with the Constitution. He didn't contradict the Constitution at all. He defended the Constitution actually.
The final, legal arbiters of Constitutionality disagreed with Obama. Yet Obama dared exercise his free speech as President to criticize it. Unprecedented! (LOL)
Was it free speech, or not?
No, as President, he really can't. As Donald Trump, private citizen, he can. As Trump Inc., he can. As leader of the US, he can't.
Show me this in the US Code, Constitution, etc.
Was it free speech, or not?
It was Obama stating policy. Again--not at all similar to Trump attempting to stifle a private citizen's free speech
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Show me this in the US Code, Constitution, etc..
lol--your hypocrisy is literally astounding. Anything Trump does, no matter how much you would have attacked it 2 years ago, is fine today. It's really sad
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 9:06pm
It was Obama stating policy. Again--not at all similar to Trump attempting to stifle a private citizen's free speech
Ha, so his policy was ruled against by the final arbiters of Constitutionality, yet he persisted in exercising his Free Speech?
Horrible!
Going back to the NFL for a Second: Is flipping the Bird "free speech"?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/11/25/vontaze-burfict-doug-baldwin-fine-flipping-bird/94438138/
How about wearing the wrong cleats (ie not wearing the sponsoring entity's cleats)? Isn't your choice of shoes part of Freedom, if not Free Speech?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/josh-norman-nfl-fine-patriotism-carolina-panthers_us_5644f2f6e4b045bf3dee57fd
Nah, if you wanna honor your father, or raise Breast Cancer Awareness, you gotta pay the NFL $$$ for that shit or be fined! "Proud?" "Brave?" Fines!!!
For honoring 9/11 (but again, not wearing the $$$ shoes)?
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9096/nfl-fines-players-wearing-patriotic-cleats-hank-berrien
The NFL sure is generous with those fines. Except standing for the national anthem, of course.
Rules are different for POTUS however. You should know this.
And back to Obama—he was saying he thought lawmakers should come up with a new law. Not even remotely similar to Trimps actions
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 9:15pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3294400/NFL-fines-players-mothers-died-breast-cancer-domestic-violence-violating-uniform-rules-wearing-kit-supporting-causes.html
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 23, 9:16pm
Rules are different for POTUS however. You should know this.
You gonna pony up that part of the US Code where it says the President doesn't have Freedom of Speech?
There are a lot of things going on in this country to get outraged about
I think your bias is showing. Rosa Parks is a symbol for many. Would you tolerate disrespect for Parks? Should she be dismissed as a symbol as well? The Statue of Liberty is a symbol to many. Should we dismiss it as well? You are creating little stories that fit within your own little world of narrow beliefs, which you are sure are correct. This is exactly what is wrong with the world today.
Breast Cancer Awareness? FUCK YOU, Pay Me. Goodell is fining your ass, Susan B. Komen didn't pay the NFL for the privilege of promotion. Freedom of Speech doesn't pay for the box seats, asshole!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3294400/NFL-fines-players-mothers-died-breast-cancer-domestic-violence-violating-uniform-rules-wearing-kit-supporting-causes.html
I can see why you keep trying to divert this and deflect away from Trump's blatant attempt to restrict free speech.
Free speech is obviously only worth defending when it's Milo or Alex Jones or the KKK marching. When it's a black athlete--shut up and play nice.
Right Lips?
I think your bias is showing. Rosa Parks is a symbol for many. Would you tolerate disrespect for Parks? Should she be dismissed as a symbol as well? The Statue of Liberty is a symbol to many. Should we dismiss it as well? You are creating little stories that fit within your own little world of narrow beliefs, which you are sure are correct. This is exactly what is wrong with the world today.
"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.
Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free."
WTF does the Rosa Parks, the Statue of Liberty etc. have to do with Trump creating another distraction for his failed leadership ?
What it has to do with is your view that we should abolish all symbols. No, the same symbol means different things to different people. Intolerance for other viewpoints, which you exhibit, is what is wrong with the world today.
Shaman
2017 Sep 24, 7:33am
"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.
Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free."
Why don't you remember this quote the next time you advocate against free speech like you have on this board approximately 1000 times!
Hypocrisy doesn't even begin to cover you!
Now what have you done to serve your country besides pretend to be a patriot on this forum along with TPB and many others ?
Without people willing to lay down their lives in defense of our country, we have no country. But you seem to be alleging that only those who serve in the military serve their country. Is that your narrow minded belief? A lot of people prefer to keep their contributions to themselves, and not publicly beat their chest about them.
steverbeaver
2017 Sep 24, 8:01am
And the President of the United States should believe in and protect the right of free speech. Don't you agree?
He does believe in it, that's why he is making use of it. DT did not demand Kaepernick getting fired (by decree or law), but voiced his opinion that he should get fired. The NFLs response is equally hypocritical as Kaepernick's quota negro bullshit. Kaepernick has as much to do with the common black man as OJ did, at least OJ didn't lie about it, only his lawyers did. The NFL has been battling criticism from the mainstream left for a while as football becomes less popular, lawsuit mount over concussions etc. So they play nice with all the SJW bullshit because they try to extract as much money as possible for as long as they can. I think though that they are legitimately waging whether they would lose more money by punishing Kaepernick vs supporting him,...
Right! Only Christian Republicans have things in common with the common black man!
Mell and Thunderlips can speak for the common black man! Not Kaepernick!! Because yous relate with them so well! Yous are THE champions of the common NEGRO!!
VOTE ONLY REPUBLICANS ALL THE TIME!!!
CRITICIZE ONLY DEMOCRATS ALL THE TIME!!!
Tenpoundbass
2017 Sep 24, 8:07am
American pro Sports watching is no longer a valid reason for missing something. I'll expect people to make American choices.
Trump said a US citizen shouldn't have the right to protest.
He has a right to protest.
Currently, his tax-exempt, heavily taxpayer-subsidized employer has the right to let him go/bench him/not renew his contract.
Where was your outrage when Google fired that IT Guy?
I believe if you can be fired (in California, no less) for writing a memo expressing skepticism, you can certainly be fired for going out of your way (Kneeling) to disrespect the national anthem while on camera while employed by "America's Pasttime" and damaging the brand.
Hey, I think Entertainers and Artists are free to express themselves, but not free to demand to get patronage while they do it.
How is that disrespectful to the National Anthem?
He's not giving it the moon. He's quietly taking a knee, kinda like Trump when coming in contact with the head of ALL TERRORISM IN THE WORLD minus the kissing and continued support, but without trying to provide cover so they can continue harming Americans.
Right! Only Christian Republicans have things in common with the common black man!
Mell and Thunderlips can speak for the common black man! Not Kaepernick!! Because yous relate with them so well! Yous are THE champions of the common NEGRO!!
VOTE ONLY REPUBLICANS ALL THE TIME!!!
CRITICIZE ONLY DEMOCRATS ALL THE TIME!!!
I'm Libertarian leaning. Religion is a private matter. I have spent many many nights close to MacArthur Boulevard at an ex's place, woke up to gunshots, shopped and went out there countless times. Volunteered at a soup kitchen. May not have much weight, but probably gives me more exposure than Kaepernick. There are a lot of problems there, none of which can be solved by somebody with a 114MM contract kneeling at the Anthem. There is no oppression, only misunderstanding. Black and White should come together and celebrate the US instead of listening to the divisive voices fanning the divide and conquer of the lower and middle-class.
lostand confused
2017 Sep 24, 8:17am
trump exercised his free speech, now if he passed a law or an executive order on the same-I would be up in arms condemning him. he expressed his opinion-oh the irony-liberals now claim free speech itself is under threat because the president used his first amendment rights-hate, hate, hate.
Liberals have become a caricature.
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He just picked a fight with the NFL and has them and the Democrats basically defending the 6-figure and millionaire players' right not to stand for the anthem.
"I'm so oppressed, I just signed a multimillion dollar contract. I just have to kneel during the National Anthem."
A private in the US Army makes $1600 a month. Is he allowed to kneel when the Anthem is played without jeopardizing his career?
The difference of course, is the private has an important job, whereas an NFL Player is just an entertainer.
"Leave the oppressed guys who make 6-7 Figures alone, Orange Douche! If the NFL wants to market itself as America's Pastime while kneeling in front of the flag (which started under a Black President, BTW), nobody should criticize it!"