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Rew says

komputodo says

Maybe he didn't do it? Or is that out of the realm of possibilities? It was his room and he was found dead in the room...CASE CLOSED.

A second shooter on the grassy knoll you say?

Ytou are probably right. Where are those warren report investigators when we need them? They would get to the bottom of this.

joeyjojojunior says

CBOEtrader says

Dis you forget that ISIS claimed responsibility? Perhaps you didn't hear that he sent $100k to the phillipines where ISIS is currently exploding in popularity (see what I did there:)). Or perhaps you didn't see the sheriffs recent statement. that he may have been radicalized.

ISIS is a likely theory.

You probably want to rethink your statement. OR will you admit your tribalism blinded you from the truth right in front of your eyes when its proven he had connected to radicals?

Wait a second. I thought he was a leftist?

Leftists and ISIS are partners in hating of the US and the west. A whack job being first an Anti-trumper, then Antifa supporter, and eventually ISIS is possible.

This guy certainly was not trying to MAGA

Either way your prior assertion that he was a "well known leftist " was as zizzyx likes to say "Galactically Wrong"

Us sane people cannot comprehend crazy minds. That's all it is, only insane truly comprehend the other insane.

Hey, what happened to the NFL narrative, or the hurricane disasters, the russians, north korea, global warming crisis looming?

I don't see any ISIS. When we find the Filipina 'roommate' we'll know more.

I do see genetic psychopathy and/or a desire to 'get revenge' and 'go out in a blaze of glory'.

Funny thing is, he may have botched his suicide and flopped like a fish, drowning in his own blood for a good 20 minutes.

CBOEtrader says

Dis you forget that ISIS claimed responsibility?

No, I didn't. I also didn't forget that
1. There is zero evidence that he's associated with ISIS.
2. No intelligence agency believes there is a link.
3. He does not remotely fit the profile of an ISIS recruit. He's too old. He's not a Muslim. He's white. He's not from the Middle East.
4. ISIS isn't known for its honesty.
5. False information about the shooting spread immediately and quickly.

Do you really trust ISIS? Are you really so foolish as to state on the record you believe that ISIS is responsible for this shooting? Will you be man enough to admit you were wrong when the evidence proves otherwise?

The problem with taking a stand without evidence to support it is that you have to eat crow when the evidence comes out contradicting what you claimed.

But hey, double down on this bet if you like.

CBOEtrader says

Perhaps you didn't hear that he sent $100k to the phillipines where ISIS is currently exploding in popularity

Once more conservatives demonstrate their mathematical illiteracy. The converse of a true statement is not necessarily a true statement. All cats have tails does not imply everything with a tail is a cat. ISIS is popular in the Philippians does not imply that most Philippians are associated or sympathetic to ISIS. You are jumping to a conclusion based on pure speculation. You don't even have circumstantial evidence.

It's far more likely that the shooter simply wanted to get what money he had left out of the country so that it would not be seized by the government after his crime was committed. So he sent what he had to his lover and then went on a rampage to pay the casino back for taking his money. The most reasonable guess -- and this is still a guess at this point -- is that the shooter was trying to financially harm the casino by making people scared to go to it and he did so for petty revenge. There is little evidence that has come out so far, but what evidence there is supports only this conjecture. The FBI has stated that he spent a lot of money at the casino, but did not say how much he lost or won.

The problem with your entire line of thinking is that you want ISIS to be blamed so your looking for and only for evidence that supports that preference. This is not how an investigation of anything should be done. You need to learn to be objective and dispassionate.

CBOEtrader says

You probably want to rethink your statement. OR will you admit your tribalism blinded you from the truth right in front of your eyes when its proven he had connected to radicals?

Oh honey, it is you who are being tribal. I don't give a shit what the underlying motive of the shooting is. It changes absolutely nothing. We still won't get gun control. We still need to address terrorism and religion. We still need to reverse Republican policies that gutted mental health care. We still need to deal with domestic terrorism. Gambling still causes problems for individuals and society. This crime changes absolutely nothing no matter the cause. It's just one more of countless mass shootings. The next mass shooting won't change anything either. America never fucking learns from these tragedies.

But it's evidently damn important to you that ISIS gets blamed for this shooting regardless of whether or not that's true. And that makes you tribal.

CBOEtrader says

Leftists and ISIS are partners in hating of the US and the west.

All conservatives hate American and their fellow Americans. This includes the left, the right, and Islamists. Those three tribes are all essentially the same. The only differences are arbitrary and unimportant cultural preferences. Their tactics and values are the same. They are all deplorable for the exact same reasons.

Only liberals are good people.

CBOEtrader says

This guy certainly was not trying to MAGA

Given that he had a huge stockpile of guns and ammo, he's far more likely to have supported or voted for Trump than Hillary and there's no chance he's a Bernie supporter.

When it comes out he supported Trump and wore a MAGA hat, will you be man enough to admit you were wrong? Will you then condemn your tribe for the same guilt by association or will you demonstrate pure hypocrisy and say he's not representative of your tribe? We all know the answer is the later, but hey, prove me wrong.

FortWayne says

Us sane people cannot comprehend crazy minds. That's all it is, only insane truly comprehend the other insane.

I don't know how, but FortWayne is going to blame this shooting on the gays.

Dan8267 says

When it comes out he supported Trump and wore a MAGA hat,

How about he supported Hillary and was spotted wearing a pink pussy hat at a anti Trump rally in Reno during the summer.

Dan8267 says

But it's evidently damn important to you that ISIS gets blamed for this shooting regardless of whether or not that's true. And that makes you tribal.

You: there is zero evidence and zero % chance of Isis affiliation.

Me: there is more than zero evidence and a greater than zero % chance. offers evidence proving Dan wrong*

You: this isn't proof ISIS was involved.

Me: no shit. *facepalm

Just pathetic logical thinking skills yet again Dan. Your zero % chance and zero evidence statement is obviously untrue.

You can choose to ignore the evidence or suggest it isn't a likely theory. You can NOT however suggest there is zero evidence.

Somehow your black/white mind misses the concept of nuance. Its sad to watch

me123 says

How about he supported Hillary and was spotted wearing a pink pussy hat at a anti Trump rally in Reno during the summer.

If the evidence support that, then the claim will be accepted. However, like everything you claim, there is no supporting evidence and plenty of contradicting evidence.

But hey, go showing off your identity politics again, piggy.

me123 says

Dan8267 says

When it comes out he supported Trump and wore a MAGA hat,

How about he supported Hillary and was spotted wearing a pink pussy hat at a anti Trump rally in Reno during the summer.

All evidence against their narrative will be dismissed as fake. Meanwhile they will continue to believe their narrative based purely on ident politics. Old white man = trump supporter, amirite? Its pathetic

CBOEtrader says

Me: there is more than zero evidence and a greater than zero % chance. offers evidence proving Dan wrong*

Really, you offered evidence? Where? Show me the evidence right now. Go on.

Everything I presented comes from the FBI's official statement. What evidence have you shown that the shooter was an ISIS operative?

CBOEtrader says

Somehow your black/white mind misses the concept of nuance.

Baseless conjectures that are contradicted by the FBI's investigation are not nuance. They are the epitome of fake news and misinformation. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

Dan8267 says

If the evidence support that, then the claim will be accepted.

Ever hear of Google? It's pretty amazing.

me123 says

Dan8267 says

If the evidence support that, then the claim will be accepted.

Ever hear of Google? It's pretty amazing.

Saying that there are links to evidence somewhere in Google isn't evidence. If you have any evidence present it now. You don't because you're just a petty goat-fucking moron who engages in nothing but identity politics.

Piggy, the only thing you have won is

Dan thinks giving away his own prized award means something to others...

Dan8267 says

Piggy, the only thing you have won is

FortWayne says

Dan thinks giving away his own prized award means something to others...

Once again, the conservative right demonstrates their incompetence in humor and crafting jokes.

The fact that this forum’s leftie loopies are all very quick to dismiss anything counter to a right wing gun nut is extremely telling.

Calling people conspiracy theorists for pointing out facts - ISIS Claim and Sherrif statement, foreign ties - speaks volumes.

He was a psychopath, fathered by a known psychopath, whose pride caused him to set up a situation where he would live forever in infamy. That's his tribe.

me123 says

You seriously need to pay better attention. It's been stated numerous times.

examples?

joeyjojojunior says

me123 says

You seriously need to pay better attention. It's been stated numerous times.

examples?

I'm not going to clarify this statement if asked (question I suppose). Why do you guys do this?