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I think government should not force people to buy anything. That distorts the market with higher demand, driving prices up.
Real stupid by Democrats to pass it.
FortWayne saysI think government should not force people to buy anything. That distorts the market with higher demand, driving prices up.
Real stupid by Democrats to pass it.
So then why did The Heritage Foundation write it? You know they are the most prominent “Con servative “ organization on the planet.
Better still, why won’t Republicans repeal it and replace with something better?
anon_d394f says
And that is why single payer will NEVER work. The Medicare system is the same way. Senior citizens get sent to multiple specialists for tests and consultations, just because the gov't will pay for it.
Funny how single payer works in every other first world country. For half the cost.
Our healthcare has degraded into the worst of all possible situations.
You could tell us where or you could run and hide. Again.
You should have voted Bernie.
rationing and subsidizing others.
That sounds like all insurance.
Several things will help tremendously:
Up front pricing.
HSA's with unlimited or much higher contribution amounts.
Ban on medical lawsuits.
Caps on emergency services pricing.
No medical treatment for illegals.
No requirement for treatment of the uninsured.
It's just that capitalism solves the S/D graph far more efficiently than socialism.
Eliminate ACA & lets see what capitalism/insurance premiums does to a families budget "graph".
It might rhyme with "No one in the middle class will have a tax increase."
.. whatever the fuck that means has yet to be seen
HEY YOU saysThat sounds like all insurance.
It's quite different for the reasons I explained above, especially the privatized aspect which acts as an inherent cost control.
Yes, all health care has SOME rationing as a natural result of "there aren't infinite doctors". It's just that capitalism solves the S/D graph far more efficiently than socialism.
Booger saysSeveral things will help tremendously:
Up front pricing.
HSA's with unlimited or much higher contribution amounts.
Ban on medical lawsuits.
Caps on emergency services pricing.
No medical treatment for illegals.
No requirement for treatment of the uninsured.
Good list. This is exactly what a productive discussion on patnet should look like. Upfront pricing would rip the mask off this racket.
mell saysBooger saysSeveral things will help tremendously:
Up front pricing.
HSA's with unlimited or much higher contribution amounts.
Ban on medical lawsuits.
Caps on emergency services pricing.
No medical treatment for illegals.
No requirement for treatment of the uninsured.
Good list. This is exactly what a productive discussion on patnet should look like. Upfront pricing would rip the mask off this racket.
You believe a Ban on medical lawsuits is part of a good list?
What happens if you are harmed by someone else actions a/o negligence?
No need to run or hide.
Average wait times reported in 2016 in a survey done by the Fraser Institute.
New Brunswick: 38.8 weeks
Nova Scotia: 34. 8
P.E.I: 31.4
Newfoundland and Labrador: 26
British Columbia: 25.2
Alberta: 22.9
Manitoba: 20.6
Quebec: 18.9
Saskatchewan: 16.6
Ontario: 15.6
Here's the link to the data from their survey.
You just proved why. The COST.
Unless cost controls are put in place (Obamacare NEVER controlled cost of procedures and care), single payer will bankrupt the country.
Good list. This is exactly what a productive discussion on patnet should look like. Upfront pricing would rip the mask off this racket.
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It's quite different for the reasons I explained above, especially the privatized aspect which acts as an inherent cost control.
Yes, all health care has SOME rationing as a natural result of "there aren't infinite doctors". It's just that capitalism solves the S/D graph far more efficiently than socialism.
mell says
Good list. This is exactly what a productive discussion on patnet should look like. Upfront pricing would rip the mask off this racket.
Great, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.
So that's why health care costs twice as much in America. The inherent cost control. I knew I was missing something.
anon_38c3f says
You just proved why. The COST.
Unless cost controls are put in place (Obamacare NEVER controlled cost of procedures and care), single payer will bankrupt the country.
You are very confused on terms. ACA isn't single payer or anything close to single payer. It's government subsidized health care insurance.
bob2356 saysanon_38c3f says
You just proved why. The COST.
Unless cost controls are put in place (Obamacare NEVER controlled cost of procedures and care), single payer will bankrupt the country.
You are very confused on terms. ACA isn't single payer or anything close to single payer. It's government subsidized health care insurance.
If healthcare was affordable, the government wouldn't have to subsidized the ability to pay for it.
bob2356 saysmell says
Good list. This is exactly what a productive discussion on patnet should look like. Upfront pricing would rip the mask off this racket.
Great, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.
Standard visits all have fixed prices you just don't know them they are billed to the insurance, same for most diagnostics. The majority are standard procedures, probably 80% of procedures who can be priced upfront very easily, if not more. I see no issue here.
You can get that list from any insurance provider along with the allowance they pay for each one.
mell saysbob2356 saysmell says
Good list. This is exactly what a productive discussion on patnet should look like. Upfront pricing would rip the mask off this racket.
Great, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.
Standard visits all have fixed prices you just don't know them they are billed to the insurance, same for most diagnostics. The majority are standard procedures, probably 80% of procedures who can be priced upfront very easily, if not more. I see no issue here.
What bob doesn't realize is that there is this thing called HCPCS (The Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System) that all major insurance companies use for billing. It ...
So that's why health care costs twice as much in America. The inherent cost control. I knew I was missing something.
Great, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.
Great, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.
bob2356 saysGreat, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.
I didn't dodge any question. I said for those procedures/drugs/etc for which we can know. I'm not an MD, or a healthcare professional, and neither are you, so I'll leave it to those who have knowledge and work in that market to determine if that is possible.
Sometimes you do know. That is one reasons why pricing should be upfront. That, and if you don't know, you can still look at the proverbial menu and find out if you entered an expensive restaurant, or a reasonably priced one before you order
I didn't dodge any question. I said for those procedures/drugs/etc for which we can know. I'm not an MD, or a healthcare professional, and neither are you, so I'll leave it to those who have knowledge and work in that market to determine if that is possible.
What you're asking me to do is subsidize the health care of some non-contributor in addition to what I pay for myself already. How is that fair?
Goran_K saysWhat you're asking me to do is subsidize the health care of some non-contributor in addition to what I pay for myself already. How is that fair?
Yes! That non-contributor should die of a easily treatable ailment. It isn't fair that Goran should have to subsidize someone else's survival.
Get the remaining third or whatever it is on Medicare, and it lowers off per capita cost substantially.
This should be obvious, and the government will set prices.
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If the family of 4 is poor, there is a high likelihood that the subsidized health insurance is the single largest consumption of resources made by that family, most likely eclipsing housing and dwarfing car payments.
The system is broken, and we have government intervention to blame. There is close to nothing in our healthcare system that resembles a free market. This system appears designed to fail, as the critics of Obamacare have said for a while.
The question: is there a solution?