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Patnet and censorship: Performance Art?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 18, 10:17pm
Or are you not-Gary I think I see some sort of conspiracy here. Is this just all being staged by Patrick?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 7:24am
Goran_K says
So which is it?
Claimed he would leave rather than post under moderation and rules. Returned under anon. Fairly easy to spot.
So which is it?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 9:06am
Sorry I thought I was posting in guess the anonymous hope I wasn't off topic
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Patrick
2017 Nov 19, 3:46pm
Patrick
2017 Nov 19, 3:46pm
mell says
I did for a while, but brought it back, because it does seem to bring in a few new users.
Soon will have anon comments going through approval by moderators first. I took some time to make most of the site's functions pure, which should help me move faster in the future.
Time for Patrick to disable anons ;)
I did for a while, but brought it back, because it does seem to bring in a few new users.
Soon will have anon comments going through approval by moderators first. I took some time to make most of the site's functions pure, which should help me move faster in the future.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 3:58pm
You will get your pure site soon enough. There is so much bad will here now that I think serious debate is gone for good.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 4:40pm
anon_25c83 says
Yes it is soon to be swallowed by the darkness. To bad so sad. We begged you @patrick to listen but you choose not to.
I get it, that's your choice.
Didn't expect you to take it in this direction.
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
You will get your pure site soon enough. There is so much bad will here now that I think serious debate is gone for good.
Yes it is soon to be swallowed by the darkness. To bad so sad. We begged you @patrick to listen but you choose not to.
I get it, that's your choice.
Didn't expect you to take it in this direction.
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Nov 19, 5:01pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Nov 19, 5:01pm
anon_a0898 says
Trump winning caused the Left to go full bore nuts, especially re: the Russian Conspiracy Theory, which states the Russians hacked the Election by revealing email evidence that proved the DNC rigged the Primaries for Hillary.
People who bitch about all the ad homing have been ad homing at me since the Election, they didn't do so before.
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
Trump winning caused the Left to go full bore nuts, especially re: the Russian Conspiracy Theory, which states the Russians hacked the Election by revealing email evidence that proved the DNC rigged the Primaries for Hillary.
People who bitch about all the ad homing have been ad homing at me since the Election, they didn't do so before.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 5:15pm
TwoScoopsMcGee says
I've never been uncivil towards you.
People who bitch about all the ad homing have been ad homing at me since the Election, they didn't do so before
I've never been uncivil towards you.
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FortWayne
2017 Nov 19, 5:41pm
FortWayne
2017 Nov 19, 5:41pm
World Isn't left or right. I don't consider myself right, although get called that on these forums.
It's the only forum where free speech lives.
anon_a0898 says
It's the only forum where free speech lives.
anon_a0898 says
anon_25c83 saysYou will get your pure site soon enough. There is so much bad will here now that I think serious debate is gone for good.
Yes it is soon to be swallowed by the darkness. To bad so sad. We begged you @patrick to listen but you choose not to.
I get it, that's your choice.
Didn't expect you to take it in this direction.
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 5:52pm
FortWayne says
Icing on the cake this comment. Fuck this place. It's where free speech goes to die.
It's the only forum where free speech lives.
Icing on the cake this comment. Fuck this place. It's where free speech goes to die.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 5:56pm
I truthfully never thought it possible that Patrick would be this deaf to concerns and this unwilling to even talk about the forum policy. The only possible explanation can be he wants it to be a forced alt-right shit show. Well he has succeeded.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:05pm
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Probably because the content of your posts has gone down in quality and reasoning since Trump got elected. There’s far too much unreasoned MAGA on here and very little cold analysis of what he has(n’t) actually done. That’s a reason right there why the tone and the membership of this site has gone down - far too much shouty idiocy.
anon_a0898 says
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
Trump winning caused the Left to go full bore nuts, especially re: the Russian Conspiracy Theory, which states the Russians hacked the Election by revealing email evidence that proved the DNC rigged the Primaries for Hillary.
People who bitch about all the ad homing have been ad homing at me since the Election, they didn't do so before.
Probably because the content of your posts has gone down in quality and reasoning since Trump got elected. There’s far too much unreasoned MAGA on here and very little cold analysis of what he has(n’t) actually done. That’s a reason right there why the tone and the membership of this site has gone down - far too much shouty idiocy.
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FortWayne
2017 Nov 19, 6:08pm
FortWayne
2017 Nov 19, 6:08pm
On other forums they'd ban you for simple comments like that, here it's all good. You just don't appreciate the freedoms here.
anon_25c83 says
anon_25c83 says
FortWayne saysIt's the only forum where free speech lives.
Icing on the cake this comment. Fuck this place. It's where free speech goes to die.
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mell
2017 Nov 19, 6:16pm
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Have to agree. And this is only one manifestation. You have been seeing similar things outside of the web. People on the left going full on bonkers and devoting their lives to destroying the Trump presidency and its followers, fanned by the lamestream media clinging to their declining viewership. Hopefully Generation Z will put an end to this leftoid madhouse, cull the SJWs and globalist America haters and restore the left to the viable options it once was, focused on the blue collar working class with regained patriotism. Tat being said, there are enough people on the left still on this site that can discuss in a civil and rational manner, such as Rew, YesYNot, TimAurora, Bob and many more and without resorting to the anon underground. So I doubt it will become a right-wing echo-chamber.
anon_a0898 says
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
Trump winning caused the Left to go full bore nuts, especially re: the Russian Conspiracy Theory, which states the Russians hacked the Election by revealing email evidence that proved the DNC rigged the Primaries for Hillary.
People who bitch about all the ad homing have been ad homing at me since the Election, they didn't do so before.
Have to agree. And this is only one manifestation. You have been seeing similar things outside of the web. People on the left going full on bonkers and devoting their lives to destroying the Trump presidency and its followers, fanned by the lamestream media clinging to their declining viewership. Hopefully Generation Z will put an end to this leftoid madhouse, cull the SJWs and globalist America haters and restore the left to the viable options it once was, focused on the blue collar working class with regained patriotism. Tat being said, there are enough people on the left still on this site that can discuss in a civil and rational manner, such as Rew, YesYNot, TimAurora, Bob and many more and without resorting to the anon underground. So I doubt it will become a right-wing echo-chamber.
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MrMagic
2017 Nov 19, 6:23pm
MrMagic
2017 Nov 19, 6:23pm
Patrick says
I just checked, and went back 10 pages (400 new users). Out of those 400, only like 4 were actual screen names, all the others were anons.
/users?ob=user_registered&d=desc
So, having 396 new anons (who attack other users continually or clog the site with diarrhea) versus 4 new users (who really didn't contribute much) is beneficial to the site?
Is that the new plan?
mell saysTime for Patrick to disable anons ;)
I did for a while, but brought it back, because it does seem to bring in a few new users.
I just checked, and went back 10 pages (400 new users). Out of those 400, only like 4 were actual screen names, all the others were anons.
/users?ob=user_registered&d=desc
So, having 396 new anons (who attack other users continually or clog the site with diarrhea) versus 4 new users (who really didn't contribute much) is beneficial to the site?
Is that the new plan?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:28pm
mell says
Being to the left of you doesn’t mean that they are ‘the left.’ A lot of posters on here seem to conflate the two.
TwoScoopsMcGee saysanon_a0898 says
Don't kid yourself, there is nobody new here, personally I'm probably 20 or 30 of those anons. Soon nobody from the left will be left and the right will have that echo chamber that they were accusing the left of try to have. Funny how that works.
Trump winning caused the Left to go full bore nuts, especially re: the Russian Conspiracy Theory, which states the Russians hacked the Election by revealing email evidence that proved the DNC rigged the Primaries for Hillary.
People who bitch about all the ad homing have been ad homing at me since the Election, they didn't do so before.
Have to agree. And this is only one manifestation. You have been seeing similar things outside of the web. People on the left going full on bonkers and devoting thei...
Being to the left of you doesn’t mean that they are ‘the left.’ A lot of posters on here seem to conflate the two.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:35pm
They aren’t 400 new users. They are the same old posters being assigned new anon names with each new visit. It must be driving you nuts not knowing who it is you’re supposed to be attacking.
Jailed because fuck free speech. Am aye right?
Jailed because fuck free speech. Am aye right?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:37pm
Want to point out why you marked my post as uncivil Sniper? I presume that’ll go down as misuse and you’ll lose the ability to use it for a while.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:38pm
What a sad ending. Patrick, please block all anons so I can find better things to do.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:42pm
anon_25c83 says
Well, everyone is anon. It just seems that some on here are annoyed at not having the ability to attack the messenger.
What a sad ending. Patrick, please block all anons so I can find better things to do.
Well, everyone is anon. It just seems that some on here are annoyed at not having the ability to attack the messenger.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:49pm
anon_6fcd7 says
That was always the plan. Horrible quality people from the right kept on being challenged to prove their points, to stop lying, to basically believe in something other than nonsense. So they created a cult of us vs. them. Anons killed that cult so now Patrick is being driven to let anons in, but let king goron decide who gets in and who doesn't. Total vomit.
Well, everyone is anon. It just seems that some on here are annoyed at not having the ability to attack the messenger.
That was always the plan. Horrible quality people from the right kept on being challenged to prove their points, to stop lying, to basically believe in something other than nonsense. So they created a cult of us vs. them. Anons killed that cult so now Patrick is being driven to let anons in, but let king goron decide who gets in and who doesn't. Total vomit.
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MrMagic
2017 Nov 19, 6:51pm
MrMagic
2017 Nov 19, 6:51pm
I posted this:
Sniper says
That was at 6:23 PM, then we had this at 6:31PM:
anon_25c83 says
and this at 6:32 PM:
anon_6fcd7 says
It took all of 8 minutes to be proven right?
So sad.
anon_25c83 says
What for, things are going perfect, just as planned!!
Sniper says
So, having 396 new anons (who attack other users continually or clog the site with diarrhea)
That was at 6:23 PM, then we had this at 6:31PM:
anon_25c83 says
this comment has been jailed for incivility
and this at 6:32 PM:
anon_6fcd7 says
this comment has been jailed for incivility
It took all of 8 minutes to be proven right?
So sad.
anon_25c83 says
Patrick, please block all anons
What for, things are going perfect, just as planned!!
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 6:52pm
anon_25c83 says
Don’t disagree, but the tone was most definitely set by letting CiC back in. A lot of the decline in discussion here can be traced back to the flame wars that he enjoyed/enjoys instigating. Of all the mistakes Patrick has made, letting him pollute the well for so many years has been one of the biggest.
anon_6fcd7 saysWell, everyone is anon. It just seems that some on here are annoyed at not having the ability to attack the messenger.
That was always the plan. Horrible quality people from the right kept on being challenged to prove their points, to stop lying, to basically believe in something other than nonsense. So they created a cult of us vs. them. Anons killed that cult so now Patrick is being driven to let anons in, but let king goron decide who gets in and who doesn't. Total vomit.
Don’t disagree, but the tone was most definitely set by letting CiC back in. A lot of the decline in discussion here can be traced back to the flame wars that he enjoyed/enjoys instigating. Of all the mistakes Patrick has made, letting him pollute the well for so many years has been one of the biggest.
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mell
2017 Nov 19, 7:04pm
anon_12c93 says
Because the anons keep talking about it. Otherwise not.
anon_6fcd7 says
Why not discuss with the people one wants to answer to? Otherwise don't respond, problem solved.
Piggy dominates the website now. That's the post-mortem. Literally nothing else needs to be said.
Because the anons keep talking about it. Otherwise not.
anon_6fcd7 says
Don’t disagree, but the tone was most definitely set by letting CiC back in. A lot of the decline in discussion here can be traced back to the flame wars that he enjoyed/enjoys instigating. Of all the mistakes Patrick has made, letting him pollute the well for so many years has been one of the biggest.
Why not discuss with the people one wants to answer to? Otherwise don't respond, problem solved.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 7:10pm
mell says
That’s simply because his past targets are gone or only occasionally posting under anon. If they were here, he’d be doing what he has always done. As soon as he finds someone new to direct his attentions at, he’ll be up to his old tricks. Introducing civility doesn’t change what he’s about otherwise he would have been civil before. He clearly doesn’t come on here to be civil. He comes on here to wind others up.
Because the anons keep talking about it. Otherwise not.
That’s simply because his past targets are gone or only occasionally posting under anon. If they were here, he’d be doing what he has always done. As soon as he finds someone new to direct his attentions at, he’ll be up to his old tricks. Introducing civility doesn’t change what he’s about otherwise he would have been civil before. He clearly doesn’t come on here to be civil. He comes on here to wind others up.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 7:12pm
mell says
Fine, except we all know that isn’t what actually happens.
Why not discuss with the people one wants to answer to? Otherwise don't respond, problem solved.
Fine, except we all know that isn’t what actually happens.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 8:37pm
What I'd like to know is who keeps putting the posts about Ironman in jail. The guy isn't even here. Is this not a free speech forum?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 9:42pm
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anonymous
2017 Nov 19, 11:56pm
anon_eecc4 says
It used to be pretty free. The freedom was misdirected into accepting any and all nonsense. Insulting users isn't an issue per se - it can be a perfectly reasonable part of discussing points. The problem is when that's pretty much the only reason someone is on here (yes, I'm looking at you CiC). Seriously, what's the problem in saying 'you're fucking stupid if you believe that', 'thats a moronic point' etc. etc? I presume Goran would be all over those types of posts these days. You can have constructive arguments and you can vent. The two are not incompatible. Deliberate and prolonged trolling is a different matter. It's just destructive over the long term even if it may be amusing from time to time.
This site is losing spirit as well as posters.
anon_3b28c saysIs this not a free speech forum?
Where does it say that it is a free speech forum?
It used to be pretty free. The freedom was misdirected into accepting any and all nonsense. Insulting users isn't an issue per se - it can be a perfectly reasonable part of discussing points. The problem is when that's pretty much the only reason someone is on here (yes, I'm looking at you CiC). Seriously, what's the problem in saying 'you're fucking stupid if you believe that', 'thats a moronic point' etc. etc? I presume Goran would be all over those types of posts these days. You can have constructive arguments and you can vent. The two are not incompatible. Deliberate and prolonged trolling is a different matter. It's just destructive over the long term even if it may be amusing from time to time.
This site is losing spirit as well as posters.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 20, 12:01am
Sniper says
Why can't you be honest? You don't want people posting under anons because it spoils your fun.
What for, things are going perfect, just as planned!!
Why can't you be honest? You don't want people posting under anons because it spoils your fun.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 20, 8:40am
anon_6fcd7 says
Exactly. For whatever reason @Patrick is unwilling to address this fact
I’ll give him some credit, he did chime in when Goron and Ironman/Sniper were posting blatant lies, to show that they were wrong, but he doesn’t seem to give a shit otherwise
anon_25c83 saysanon_6fcd7 saysWell, everyone is anon. It just seems that some on here are annoyed at not having the ability to attack the messenger.
That was always the plan. Horrible quality people from the right kept on being challenged to prove their points, to stop lying, to basically believe in something other than nonsense. So they created a cult of us vs. them. Anons killed that cult so now Patrick is being driven to let anons in, but let king goron decide who gets in and who doesn't. Total vomit.
Don’t disagree, but the tone was most definitely set by letting CiC back in. A lot of the decline in discussion here can be traced back to the flame wars that he enjoyed/enjoys instigating. Of all the mistakes Patrick has made, letting him pollute the well for so many years has been one of the biggest.
Exactly. For whatever reason @Patrick is unwilling to address this fact
I’ll give him some credit, he did chime in when Goron and Ironman/Sniper were posting blatant lies, to show that they were wrong, but he doesn’t seem to give a shit otherwise
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Onvacation
2017 Nov 20, 8:44am
Onvacation
2017 Nov 20, 8:44am
anon_7e3cc says
Because you are making a personal attack instead of countering a point.
If you really think someone is stupid what does that say about you for engaging instead of ignoring?
Seriously, what's the problem in saying 'you're fucking stupid if you believe that', 'thats a moronic point' etc. etc?
Because you are making a personal attack instead of countering a point.
If you really think someone is stupid what does that say about you for engaging instead of ignoring?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 20, 8:49am
Sniper says
Mature adults don’t make posts calling Obama “nigger boy”, and then get banned, and then return to disrespect @Patrick and harass the thinking posters
anon_7e3cc saysSniper saysWhat for, things are going perfect, just as planned!!
Why can't you be honest? You don't want people posting under anons because it spoils your fun.
Spoils what fun?
Why don't you stop acting like a little girl, hiding behind anon, and post under a real screen name, like the mature adults do here?
Mature adults don’t make posts calling Obama “nigger boy”, and then get banned, and then return to disrespect @Patrick and harass the thinking posters
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Nov 20, 8:49am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Nov 20, 8:49am
anon_7e3cc says
So essentially you want it to be free speech, as long as its the speech you deem free.
anon_eecc4 saysanon_3b28c saysIs this not a free speech forum?
Where does it say that it is a free speech forum?
It used to be pretty free. The freedom was misdirected into accepting any and all nonsense. Insulting users isn't an issue per se - it can be a perfectly reasonable part of discussing points. The problem is when that's pretty much the only reason someone is on here (yes, I'm looking at you CiC). Seriously, what's the problem in saying 'you're fucking stupid if you believe that', 'thats a moronic point' etc. etc? I presume Goran would be all over those types of posts these days. You can have constructive arguments and you can vent. The two are not incompatible. Deliberate and prolonged trolling is a different matter. It's just destructive over the long term even if it may be amusi...
So essentially you want it to be free speech, as long as its the speech you deem free.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 20, 8:58am
Sniper says
Does this qualify as an insult? Pretty sure it's intended to be one. Sniper you are doing a good job of impersonating Ironman.
IMO, the anon posting by regular users is being done in protest. Your presence (you are clearly CIC/ironman) is one of the things being protested.
Why don't you stop acting like a little girl, hiding behind anon
Does this qualify as an insult? Pretty sure it's intended to be one. Sniper you are doing a good job of impersonating Ironman.
IMO, the anon posting by regular users is being done in protest. Your presence (you are clearly CIC/ironman) is one of the things being protested.
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Onvacation
2017 Nov 20, 9:01am
Onvacation
2017 Nov 20, 9:01am
Sniper says
Yes! Let it go. Argue about facts and opinions, not personalities.
How many more months you going to continue to cry about a poster that's not here anymore. Is that mature adult behavior?
Yes! Let it go. Argue about facts and opinions, not personalities.
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It is more than a little ironic (but should not be surprising to any serious student of human nature) that right-wingers appear to be every bit as eager to censor their opponents as they have recently been accusing the left-wingers of being. And by that I mean the last several years of talk about liberals and their desire for "safe spaces" on and off university campuses, calling them "special snowflakes", and so on.
Well, the right-wing has in recent days been out in force on Patnet, trying to enforce a "safe space" , free of "uncivility" and "NSFW" material, and acting like special snowflakes themselves. And boy, are these right-wing special snowflakes melting down Patnet in a volcanic eruption of censorship actions.
The famous 1960s psychological experiment known as the Stanford Prisoner Project comes to mind as an analogy of sorts. That experiment showed what happens when you give authority for random people to control other random people. What soon happened was not pretty. Read up on it if you want.
Finally, I will revisit and highlight a suggestion I have made several times this year:
What I would like to see is to have free speech, and at the same time avoid massive storms of low-quality comments. For a blog, I think that means to make threads and comments a limited commodity for all posters. Specifically, to limit the number of threads that a user can post on any given day to 1 or 2, and to limit how many comments every user can post on every thread to 10, or 10% of the total number of comments on the thread, whichever is larger.
The purpose of moderation should not be to censor certain forms of expression, but rather to make everyone's time (or space) on the proverbial soapbox a valuable commodity. That way, users are more likely to spend their posting currency wisely. Users who wastes their currency by posting low-quality drivel will lose esteem, or at the very least not be able to dominate the discussion based on volume posted only.
Think of it as rules of order, a very lightweight and blog-adapted version of Robert's rules of order. (By the way, a quite well-known now former pat-netter just mentioned Robert's rules just days ago, and is hereby recognized.)
PS: I very well understand the meta-question as to whether the impact of a blog, as measured by commercial value or informative value, or even political/propaganda value(!), is reduced when the number of threads or comments are somewhat limited. I think many people may think so, perhaps even Patrick himself. Personally, I will take quality over quantity any day.
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