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Trump keeping his promises - Trump claims Mexico will 'indirectly' pay for a wall through NAFTA
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2018 Jan 11, 6:53pm 5,679 views 13 comments
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Strategist
2018 Jan 11, 7:16pm
Strategist
2018 Jan 11, 7:16pm
I actually don't think Mexico should pay for the wall. If we want to protect our borders, it's up to us to pay for it.
The whole fucking world wants to come to the USA by any means, to join our prosperity. All they have to do is make their country like ours, by adapting our democratic and capitalistic system. It's not a secret, and it's not a patent we hold. Our enemies like Japan and Germany did it, and look how successful they became.
The whole fucking world wants to come to the USA by any means, to join our prosperity. All they have to do is make their country like ours, by adapting our democratic and capitalistic system. It's not a secret, and it's not a patent we hold. Our enemies like Japan and Germany did it, and look how successful they became.
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Y
2018 Jan 11, 7:33pm
Y
2018 Jan 11, 7:33pm
Why not a forcefield?
Don't Mexicans watch startrek?
Strategist says
Don't Mexicans watch startrek?
Strategist says
I actually don't think Mexico should pay for the wall. If we want to protect our borders, it's up to us to pay for it.
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MrMagic
2018 Jan 11, 7:47pm
MrMagic
2018 Jan 11, 7:47pm
Strategist says
Wait, they're not just going to write a check, like the Dems have been claiming? There's other ways to get them to "pay" for it??
Such a novel business plan by this guy!
Mexico will pay for the wall — "indirectly," President Donald Trump claimed Thursday.
Wait, they're not just going to write a check, like the Dems have been claiming? There's other ways to get them to "pay" for it??
Such a novel business plan by this guy!
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anonymous
2018 Jan 11, 8:24pm
Sniper says
Strategist saysNo, they still will have to write a check. Contractors going to want to be paid. But we can pretend mexicos "paying" for itMexico will pay for the wall — "indirectly," President Donald Trump claimed Thursday.
Wait, they're not just going to write a check, like the Dems have been claiming? There's other ways to get them to "pay" for it??
Such a novel business plan by this guy!
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WatermelonUniversity
2018 Jan 11, 10:06pm
WatermelonUniversity
2018 Jan 11, 10:06pm
what's this "indirectly" bullshit? apparently Trump thinks his supporters are this stupid. they'll buy anything.
what's next? China indirectly pays for our defense budget through trade?
North Korea indirectly pays for our military exercises through embargoes?
Muslims are our allies because they bomb us?
what's next? China indirectly pays for our defense budget through trade?
North Korea indirectly pays for our military exercises through embargoes?
Muslims are our allies because they bomb us?
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anonymous
2019 Feb 14, 1:13am
Strategist says
Reality - American Taxpayers are stuck with the bill...Trump Has Lost (caved bigly) on the Wall. Now He Can’t Win on Trade
President Donald Trump says he’s unenthusiastic about the spending package Congress has settled on to fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year. That’s no surprise. Although the details of the deal aren’t entirely clear, it certainly looks as if he’s wound up worse off than he would have if he had backed down in December and avoided the 39-day government shutdown. The new plan contains less money for fewer miles of new border barriers. Even if the administration gets more flexibility about where to spend the funds (also uncertain so far), the $1.375 billion in the package is nothing like the full $5.7 billion he had asked for. Or, as Greg Sargent puts it, this is basically a surrender.
The episode brings the truth about Republican members of Congress into the open: Although they have little interest in dragging down the Republican president, they also aren’t willing to give him anything on policy. The border wall has been a good test case. Unlike the tax cut or repealing Obamacare or confirming conservative judges, the wall was basically a Trump project rather than a regular Republican idea. And he couldn’t manage to get it funded, either in the Republican-majority 115th Congress or the new, Democrat-controlled 116th. And even on taxes and health care, Republicans in Congress basically ignored the long list of unorthodox preferences Trump has pushed over time. Instead, they moved ahead with what they would have done if Marco Rubio or Scott Walker or an autosigning machine had been president.
But the wall is far less of a big deal than the new trade deal with Canada and Mexico, which needs to be ratified by both chambers of Congress.
Here’s the problem. Trade policy tends to split the parties because winners and losers don’t line up very well with party divisions. So, for example, Republican Senator Pat Toomey from Pennsylvania is already saying that the North American Free Trade Agreement has benefited his state and that its replacement, the U.S.-Canada-Mexico Agreement, wouldn’t be as good. Meanwhile, Democrats have a partisan incentive to avoid giving Trump a big win. And Republicans, even with the president backing this deal, have to overcome their constituents’ mistrust of trade pacts, which Trump has fueled for the last three-plus years. It doesn’t help that the USMCA isn’t all that different from Nafta, which means that a lot of members from both parties will worry that they’ll be vulnerable to anti-trade rhetoric if they support it.
In other words, there’s a lot of opposition to the new treaty, and good reason to think it’s in a lot of trouble.
As with his wall, Trump seems to think he has a winning move to play: If Congress doesn’t give him what he wants, he’s threatening to unilaterally take the U.S. out of Nafta, leaving lawmakers with a choice of the new deal or nothing. That’s basically a variation on the only negotiating move Trump has used in his time in the White House: Walk away from the table and threaten to ruin the nation in hopes that all the reasonable people will give him what he wants.
In fact, there’s still talk that Trump may veto the current spending deal after failing to get involved in any of the negotiations. Perhaps he hopes Congress will override him so he can avoid taking responsibility for failing to get his border wall. Another plausible outcome is that if he vetoes, enough Republicans would back him, and the attempt to override would fail, leading to a government shutdown at the end of the week. Trump and a few Republicans would take the blame. And of course even if the veto ploy “worked” — that is, that Congress would override and keep the government open — it would still amount to a show of weakness by the president.
The threat to pull out of Nafta probably isn’t any more likely to get results than the December shutdown. Republican senators are already lining up against Trump on it. If he ignores them and moves forward anyway, Congress probably won’t give in to his bullying and ratify his treaty. That’s even more likely now that Trump demonstrated during the shutdown showdown how easy it is to roll him and how bad he is at playing this game. And once again, as was the case during the shutdown, the blame will fall squarely on the president.
There was, of course, another option. Trump could have sought buy-in from a bipartisan range of key senators and members of the House as the trade negotiations were going on. He also could have spent the last two years choosing his battles carefully and fighting hard to win the ones that he took on. And he could have staffed his White House with experienced, competent professionals who knew the players in each policy area and how to work with them.
Instead, he’s in big danger of suffering another big defeat. Richard Neustadt said long ago that the White House is no place for amateurs — but Trump’s failure to learn on the job is almost as astonishing as how unprepared he was for it in the first place.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-13/trade-trump-lost-on-border-wall-now-he-faces-defeat-on-trade?srnd=premium
The MAGA, the Winning - ooops - The North Korean Nukes are still there, Mexico really isn't paying for the wall, the American people are, just like the American Consumer is paying for the Tariffs, the Middle Class Tax Cut that was floated from the Dotard's big mouth last fall that has since disappeared...
Not that's winning you can count on !
Mexico will pay for the wall — "indirectly," President Donald Trump claimed Thursday.
Reality - American Taxpayers are stuck with the bill...Trump Has Lost (caved bigly) on the Wall. Now He Can’t Win on Trade
President Donald Trump says he’s unenthusiastic about the spending package Congress has settled on to fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year. That’s no surprise. Although the details of the deal aren’t entirely clear, it certainly looks as if he’s wound up worse off than he would have if he had backed down in December and avoided the 39-day government shutdown. The new plan contains less money for fewer miles of new border barriers. Even if the administration gets more flexibility about where to spend the funds (also uncertain so far), the $1.375 billion in the package is nothing like the full $5.7 billion he had asked for. Or, as Greg Sargent puts it, this is basically a surrender.
The episode brings the truth about Republican members of Congress into the open: Although they have little interest in dragging down the Republican president, they also aren’t willing to give him anything on policy. The border wall has been a good test case. Unlike the tax cut or repealing Obamacare or confirming conservative judges, the wall was basically a Trump project rather than a regular Republican idea. And he couldn’t manage to get it funded, either in the Republican-majority 115th Congress or the new, Democrat-controlled 116th. And even on taxes and health care, Republicans in Congress basically ignored the long list of unorthodox preferences Trump has pushed over time. Instead, they moved ahead with what they would have done if Marco Rubio or Scott Walker or an autosigning machine had been president.
But the wall is far less of a big deal than the new trade deal with Canada and Mexico, which needs to be ratified by both chambers of Congress.
Here’s the problem. Trade policy tends to split the parties because winners and losers don’t line up very well with party divisions. So, for example, Republican Senator Pat Toomey from Pennsylvania is already saying that the North American Free Trade Agreement has benefited his state and that its replacement, the U.S.-Canada-Mexico Agreement, wouldn’t be as good. Meanwhile, Democrats have a partisan incentive to avoid giving Trump a big win. And Republicans, even with the president backing this deal, have to overcome their constituents’ mistrust of trade pacts, which Trump has fueled for the last three-plus years. It doesn’t help that the USMCA isn’t all that different from Nafta, which means that a lot of members from both parties will worry that they’ll be vulnerable to anti-trade rhetoric if they support it.
In other words, there’s a lot of opposition to the new treaty, and good reason to think it’s in a lot of trouble.
As with his wall, Trump seems to think he has a winning move to play: If Congress doesn’t give him what he wants, he’s threatening to unilaterally take the U.S. out of Nafta, leaving lawmakers with a choice of the new deal or nothing. That’s basically a variation on the only negotiating move Trump has used in his time in the White House: Walk away from the table and threaten to ruin the nation in hopes that all the reasonable people will give him what he wants.
In fact, there’s still talk that Trump may veto the current spending deal after failing to get involved in any of the negotiations. Perhaps he hopes Congress will override him so he can avoid taking responsibility for failing to get his border wall. Another plausible outcome is that if he vetoes, enough Republicans would back him, and the attempt to override would fail, leading to a government shutdown at the end of the week. Trump and a few Republicans would take the blame. And of course even if the veto ploy “worked” — that is, that Congress would override and keep the government open — it would still amount to a show of weakness by the president.
The threat to pull out of Nafta probably isn’t any more likely to get results than the December shutdown. Republican senators are already lining up against Trump on it. If he ignores them and moves forward anyway, Congress probably won’t give in to his bullying and ratify his treaty. That’s even more likely now that Trump demonstrated during the shutdown showdown how easy it is to roll him and how bad he is at playing this game. And once again, as was the case during the shutdown, the blame will fall squarely on the president.
There was, of course, another option. Trump could have sought buy-in from a bipartisan range of key senators and members of the House as the trade negotiations were going on. He also could have spent the last two years choosing his battles carefully and fighting hard to win the ones that he took on. And he could have staffed his White House with experienced, competent professionals who knew the players in each policy area and how to work with them.
Instead, he’s in big danger of suffering another big defeat. Richard Neustadt said long ago that the White House is no place for amateurs — but Trump’s failure to learn on the job is almost as astonishing as how unprepared he was for it in the first place.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-13/trade-trump-lost-on-border-wall-now-he-faces-defeat-on-trade?srnd=premium
The MAGA, the Winning - ooops - The North Korean Nukes are still there, Mexico really isn't paying for the wall, the American people are, just like the American Consumer is paying for the Tariffs, the Middle Class Tax Cut that was floated from the Dotard's big mouth last fall that has since disappeared...
Not that's winning you can count on !
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clambo
2019 Feb 14, 6:55am
Make Chapo pay for it. There's $14 billion, that's a start.
Tax the money wired by illegal workers in the USA; it's $20 billion+ per year.
Add a new fee for tourist visas or upon entry into the USA.
Get creative.
Tax the money wired by illegal workers in the USA; it's $20 billion+ per year.
Add a new fee for tourist visas or upon entry into the USA.
Get creative.
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MrMagic
2019 Feb 14, 8:46am
MrMagic
2019 Feb 14, 8:46am
clambo says
Certain TDS posters here can't think creatively, actually, they don't think at all, they just regurgitate what CNN tells them to spew.
Make Chapo pay for it. There's $14 billion, that's a start.
Tax the money wired by illegal workers in the USA; it's $20 billion+ per year.
Add a new fee for tourist visas or upon entry into the USA.
Get creative.
Certain TDS posters here can't think creatively, actually, they don't think at all, they just regurgitate what CNN tells them to spew.
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rdm
2019 Feb 14, 4:29pm
2 years with a Republican House and Senate, it didn't happen, we got some shitty looking mockups. And some how the stable genius thinks the Dems are going to help him fulfill his stupid campaign trope?
Directly or indirectly Mexico isn't going to pay, "new" NAFTA hasn't been passed by any of the three counties, the great Trumpian wall from Pacific to Gulf is never going to happen.
The so called National Emergency is going to get tied up in the courts, There are eminent domain issues and everyone is going to forget about it for the next year or so, until the election, a good thing. Trump got rolled, so what else is new? Better to concentrate on doable things to reinforce the border.
Directly or indirectly Mexico isn't going to pay, "new" NAFTA hasn't been passed by any of the three counties, the great Trumpian wall from Pacific to Gulf is never going to happen.
The so called National Emergency is going to get tied up in the courts, There are eminent domain issues and everyone is going to forget about it for the next year or so, until the election, a good thing. Trump got rolled, so what else is new? Better to concentrate on doable things to reinforce the border.
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Tenpoundbass
2019 Feb 14, 4:47pm
Tenpoundbass
2019 Feb 14, 4:47pm
rdm says
2 years with a RINO House and Senate
Even now they are working to undermine the American middle class. This budget deal is riddled with Cheap Labor for the jobs they refuse to give the Capable White people and our Brown people have been educated on how to spot a mangina from a mile away but don't know fuckall about Science and Tech.
2 years with a Republican House and Senate
2 years with a RINO House and Senate
Even now they are working to undermine the American middle class. This budget deal is riddled with Cheap Labor for the jobs they refuse to give the Capable White people and our Brown people have been educated on how to spot a mangina from a mile away but don't know fuckall about Science and Tech.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Feb 14, 7:30pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Feb 14, 7:30pm
Veto the build, declare the emergency. He's found over 8 billion from emergency sources and counting...
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Rin
2019 Feb 14, 8:35pm
Rin
2019 Feb 14, 8:35pm
Strategist says
This won't happen, until the USA legalizes hoeing and then ... we'll be the greatest country in the world.
When a person can legally fuck a hoe in the North End, catch a Boston Celtics game, and then down a few beers near Causeway St after a win, then we're a perfect society.
The whole fucking world wants to come to the USA by any means, to join our prosperity. All they have to do is make their country like ours, by adapting our democratic and capitalistic system.
This won't happen, until the USA legalizes hoeing and then ... we'll be the greatest country in the world.
When a person can legally fuck a hoe in the North End, catch a Boston Celtics game, and then down a few beers near Causeway St after a win, then we're a perfect society.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/trump-claims-mexico-will-pay-for-his-border-wall-through-nafta.html Mexico will pay for the wall — "indirectly," President Donald Trump claimed Thursday.
Trump told The Wall Street Journal that the United States' southern neighbor could end up funding the proposed structure on its border with the U.S. if the North American Free Trade Agreement gets tweaked.
"They can pay for it indirectly through NAFTA," he told the newspaper in an interview. "We make a good deal on NAFTA, and, say, I'm going to take a small percentage of that money and it's going toward the wall. Guess what? Mexico's paying."