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TwoScoopsPlissken says

We need more TEACHERS! Thousands of them at $50k+/year!
We need to double spending in our SCHOOLS! Nothing too good for our Kids!
Increase the pensions! Increase the training budget! We need more Admins of Welcoming Diversity! Fund our schools, Evil Republicans!

"How about a security guard at the entrance?"

NOOOOO! That would cost ZILLIONS! Just add extra layers of bureaucracy to buy a gun, or better yet, Ban Semi-Auto Rifles!

This is why it's impossible to have an honest discussion. One side wants nothing to do with it.

Strawman after strawman is all you get.

And it's why no real solutions can ever be implemented. One side doesn't want solutions.

Sniper says

errc says

Presumably because they’re being committed by children/students, and the schools are the institutions they most commonly attend

Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.

All the school shootings were committed by adults?

That seems to be at odds with reality, because in reality, almost every single school shooting was carried out by children.

Outside of the lone instance that happened in my town, where a right wing Christian gun nut retard murdered the Amish kids at their small school in Gap, PA.

But I guess that was the liberals fault for not having armed militia surrounding the one room school house in Amish Country

anon_8f378 says

This is why it's impossible to have an honest discussion. One side wants nothing to do with it.

Agreed. One side entirely dismisses the fact the school of 3100+ people had absolutely no checks to stop strangers from entering at a whim, that the perp encountered authorities 39 times, plus was expelled, plus was put on Meds, was identified at least once in the past few weeks for making violent threats, placed on a no-admittance list yet there was no security on site to enforce that list, and thus NOTHING was done, while the LEOs and School Officials dishonestly claim "There was nothing we could have done". Mendacious to the Max.

They instead want to pursue the politically difficult and constitutionally troublesome path of reducing access to guns for all, instead of having at least rudimentary security at huge school campuses or revisiting forcible hospitalization.

They don't even want to discuss those factors, and go straight for firearms.

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

jazz_music says

Psychotropic prescription industry is closer to a thing that can be identified as a cause than availability of guns.

Guns make it worse, so could bombs too.

Bombs can be made from things very hard to control. If you control guns you might start seeing more bombings.

SSRI’s and over prescription are a symptom, not the cause.

The problem there is malnutrition, which our anti-science right wing government has thrusted upon the unquestioning for decades. Beginning Prohibition of Hemp/Cannabis ~ a century ago (humans have always survived alongside the plants they live amongst as medicine. The Endocannabinoid system is proof that humans have evolved to use Cannabis as medicine). The Food Pyramid doubled down on the movement to profit and thrive from keeping Americans sick and stupid (ten + servings of breads and cereals per day! Wtf!!) War on Drugs alongside a thriving Big Pharma exasperated these problems. People don’t even own their bodies anymore, the Right Wing Christian Government has worked hard to keep them Sick and Stupid because they make for easy votes as sheeple.

The concept of taking a pill to remedy whatever illness one has been marketed and drowned in advertisements to believe they need, is at the heart of this issue. Are Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors dangerous and unhealthy? Quite possibly, even likely, but which pill sold by American Pharmaceutical Corps isn’t?

It’s the attitude that you can somehow not understand how your body works, how to properly fuel it, and just limp in to the doc when you break down that is so pervasive these days, that is causing people not to be well.

It’s no coincidence that Healthcare costs have spiraled out of control, at the same time that Science has illustrated all the health and wellness benefits of a proper diet, and The vast utility of the Magical Cannabis plant and it’s flowers. Them damn Liberals keep fighting against the Republicans to give you the freedom to find out for yourself. The Left has ruined everything. Blame the Liberals lol

Liberty is bad!
Anti-Fascist is bad!

God is good!

MAGA GOOGOO GAGA!!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

I remember when the halfwit Christian Right wing teachers at my junior high brought my mom in for a meeting about how they felt I should be put on Ritalin (90’s adderrall for kids). I’ve never seen her be anything but nice, except in that meeting, she was vehemently opposed. And she had some words for those fucking morons and their opinion on drugging her offspring. Something to the effect of their feelings being hurt, or egos bruised, when a child is more intelligent than them and as teachers they didn’t know how to react.

Good for her. She wound up homeschooling my two youngest siblings.

Ridalin isnt even a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, rather i think it’s basically just medical grade Crystal Meth for kids.

And I'm on board with limiting SSRI use. That should definitely be part of the solution.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

One side entirely dismisses the fact the school of 3100+ people had absolutely no checks to stop strangers from entering at a whim

Thanks for proving my point. That is another pure lie. Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.

It's just no use as every discussion turns into a fact check.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

FortWayne says

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?

If gun I bought, walked out on it’s own and shot someone than I could see your point.
errc says

FortWayne says

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Jazz being the exception.

Aren't SSRIs already issued with warnings about their impact on youths/teens? I seem to remember it was shown that SSRIs reduce inhibitions to violent behavior.

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why do gun manufacturers enjoy the same privileges?

These are the questions you don’t see being asked, because they are at the heart of the issue.

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer...

Approaching 200 comments and not one person attempted a cost benefit analysis, even though it is the topic of the thread.

Capitalism is dead, and us Capitalists are a dying breed

You are putting a price on a life?

I’m a parent, and want kids safe too. But I don’t agree with the approach Democrats are taking, because it’s not to solve a problem, but to attack 2nd amendment and Republicans.

errc says

Approaching 200 comments and not one person attempted a cost benefit analysis, even though it is the topic of the thread.

Capitalism is dead, and us Capitalists are a dying breed

anon_8f378 says

Thanks for proving my point. That is another pure lie. Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.

Yep, anybody who claims that there was even rudimentary, basic security and Cruz had to pass through before he entered the campus and/or building and identify himself is telling a Pure Lie.

Not a half lie, or misrepresentation. Just a bald faced lie.

"Besides having NO barriers to entry for visitors, what else could we have done?"

He entered the campus by car and
www.youtube.com/embed/jrwjiO1MCVs

"He walked right through the door."

errc says

which our anti-science right wing government

You mean the one that suggests you down 6-11 cups of grains each day for decades and still suggests bovine levels of unhealthy, heart-disease inducing grain consumption? While demonizing life-giving, brain protecting fats like eggs and red meat?

Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars have useful purposes that are required for commerce and commuting. Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.

The thing about science... is yes sometimes they get it wrong. But science isn’t faith based nonsense...someone always comes along and proves them wrong with better science.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

errc says

which our anti-science right wing government

You mean the one that suggests you down 6-11 cups of grains each day for decades and still suggests bovine levels of unhealthy, heart-disease inducing grain consumption? While demonizing life-giving, brain protecting fats like eggs and red meat?

errc says

Wrong answer, as all the mass shootings were committed by adults, since children can't purchase firearms.

All the school shootings were committed by adults?

That seems to be at odds with reality, because in reality, almost every single school shooting was carried out by children.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ha Ha, I know that will never happen.

errc says

Why are pharmaceutical drug manufacturers absolved from liability related to their products?

Why are physicians absolved from liability for writing the Rx in the first place?

Yes, let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill or gun) instead.

When do you start blaming Ford or Chevy for all the people their cars kill?

errc says

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?

What a straw man.

Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.

WildMind says

Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.

anon_cf6c6 says

Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.

anon_cf6c6 says

errc says

Are car manufacturers liable for what the buyers do with the cars? Think about it, people have to be responsible themselves. If you go to restaurant, buy a taco, than murder someone with it, it's not restaurants fault that the customer is a bad man/woman.

If you go to a restaurant, they serve you a bad taco and it kills you, is it your fault or is the restaurant liable?

What a straw man.

Wow, Liberalism is definitely a mental disease.

I see. So what you’re saying is that the gun makers product worked exactly as intended at the Florida school: to turn 17 people into a bloody puddle of pulp. Hence, nothing to be liable for. It worked as advertised

errc says

So what you’re saying is that the gun makers product worked exactly as intended at the Florida school: to turn 17 people into a bloody puddle of pulp. Hence, nothing to be liable for. It worked as advertised

Yes, that AR-15 that was lying on the table immediately jumped up, all by itself, and killed those 17 kids. No input from any human.

Pretty amazing technology, isn't it?

anon_cf6c6 says

Why are physicians absolved from liability for writing the Rx in the first place?

Yes, let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill or gun) instead.

When do you start blaming Ford or Chevy for all the people their cars kill?

Again--it's impossible to have an actual discussion with any Trump supporters anymore. Nobody is blaming guns. Nobody is saying guns caused the shooting.

What people are saying is that letting mentally ill 19 yr olds have access to weapons that can kill hundreds of people in minutes is a bad idea. What is the purpose of the AR-15?

Cars have a purpose. Swimming pools have a purpose. Knives have a purpose.

What is the purpose of an AR-15?

What I can't find are gun rights supporters agreeing that this 19 year old mentally unstable persons ability to purchase firearms is a defect.

In hindsight- should he have been able to purchase a gun, yes or no? If no, then there is something inadequate in our current system of gun purchases. We can debate how best to solve to eliminate the defect.

If it's yes, he should have been able to purchase, well that's less of a debate. I'm not sure you can reason with that.

anon_3b28c says

Cars have a purpose. Swimming pools have a purpose. Knives have a purpose.

What is the purpose of an AR-15?

Please get some education, you're really embarrassing yourself.

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If you already have an AR-15 in the safe, it’s probably a good way to get started with the rifle part of your 3-gun gear, but a perk of getting into a new gun sport is getting to buy new guns.
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anon_3b28c says

Nobody is blaming guns. Nobody is saying guns caused the shooting

Then why are you ALL you Liberals calling for bans on AR-15s?

anon_3b28c says

What people are saying is that letting mentally ill 19 yr olds have access to weapons that can kill hundreds of people in minutes is a bad idea.

Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?

How many times have cars and trucks been used to kill in a mass murder. It's not a hardware issue, it's a mental defective issue.

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

WildMind says

Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars have useful purposes that are required for commerce and commuting. Guns only have one useful purpose to kill things, and or scare people into running away because you might kill them.

Speaking of Gun Nut retards, here's a guy who chop saws his AR15 in response to the Florida shooting, saying that no one needs a AR15.

Problem is, the idiot cuts down the barrel but does nothing to the receiver.

He just immediately made himself a felon by having an illegally shortened barrel on an operating rifle.

More Liberal idiots on display.
www.youtube.com/embed/yDtE50RhOo8


Some comments under the video:


Diraphe
20 hours ago
Have fun with that felony charge for creating an SBR without a tax stamp.

Sircliffe
Sircliffe
21 hours ago
Cut the receiver in half to support gun control. All you did was make a illegal short barreled pre-banned AR.


Steve Rainsford
20 hours ago
Anybody that owns and shoots AR’s knows the way to destroy it is by cutting the receivers, not the damn barrel. He cut the barrel down to about 4-5inches, which is less then the legal 16” on a rifle. He created a SBR. He committed a felony.


Tommy Seabee
22 hours ago
If the ATF does not act on this they are complicit in a felony NFA violation. He did it on camera. It is on Facebook and YouTube. He must do the mandatory 10 years in prison to show how stupid the NFA is as well as liberals with guns.


blaqlocust
8 hours ago
Poor guy lets his emotions get to the best of him instead of logic. When will these people realise that this will never stop crime, but make it much worst.

chriscat85
chriscat85
22 hours ago
And besides that, you just commented a felony. No joke, no doubt about it. Unless you filled out the paperwork and have your stamp, you just broke a federal law. You just created a “sbr” short barrel rifle. 10 years and $10,000 fine.


Matt Wideman
1 hour ago
Have fun with your felony charge and the publishing evidence of your crime! I am sure the ATF will take into consideration your political stance as they kick your door down. You could have just crushed the lower receiver and taken the bolt apart without committing a felony.

anon_cf6c6 says

Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?

Because we should address all contributing factors in the solution.

FortWayne says

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

That's an argument against having any laws at all. Only criminals commit crimes.

anon_cf6c6 says

Why not address the mental issues without bringing inanimate objects into the discussion?

A psychological analysis of anyone wanting to buy an AR-15 would be addressing the mental issues. The buyer would need to pay for it. If you are suggesting a mental analysis for every single person in the USA, it's not practical and will never happen.
By the way, I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me the need for an AR-15 for the average person.

FortWayne says

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

anon_8f378 says

FortWayne says

All bad guys have guns, laws only stop good guys from having guns.

That's an argument against having any laws at all. Only criminals commit crimes.

No, that's an argument against adding any NEW laws, because the criminals don't abide by the EXISTING ones.

Please tell us what NEW laws these criminals would honor and obey?

I'll be waiting.

anon_cf6c6 says

No, that's an argument against adding any NEW laws, because the criminals don't abide by the EXISTING ones.

Please tell us what NEW laws these criminals would honor and obey?

I'll be waiting.

None. Criminals honor no laws. I would fully support owning AR-15's if they were only used to kill criminals. Sadly, the foolish law states killing hard core criminals is illegal.

Strategist says

There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

I could see an issue if he had an uzi or something spraying bullets, but the kid used a handgun I think, right?

FortWayne says

Strategist says

There are no laws that prevent you from buying a gun for defense. We need laws that prevent the sale of guns that can be used in mass slaughter within 2 minutes.
When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

I could see an issue if he had an uzi or something spraying bullets, but the kid used a handgun I think, right?

When you want to go into a school and murder a bunch of kids, what gun do you use?

anon_cf6c6 says

let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill

The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.

CBOEtrader says

anon_cf6c6 says

let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill

The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.

This nation has a big problem with the people hearing voices in their head. They definitely shouldn’t have guns, nor hold public office

Any Asshole saying that “God told me” should be disqualified from holding public office