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CBOEtrader says

anon_cf6c6 says

let's blame the inanimate object manufacture (the pill

The kid did report demon voices telling him who/how to kill... perhaps this is his lawyer's advice, BUT if true, his brain was completely gone. So yeah, when a drug reports a 1 out of a thousand chance of anxiety driven hallucinations, then someone should know not to give that poison to an already fucked up kid.

This nation has a big problem with the people hearing voices in their head. They definitely shouldn’t have guns, nor hold public office

Any Asshole saying that “God told me” should be disqualified from holding public office

Marijuana May Both Trigger and Suppress Psychosis | TIME.com

www.healthland.time.com/2012/01/05/marijuana-may-both-trigger-and-suppress-psychosis/ Jan 5, 2012 - For example, an inability to filter out irrelevant stimuli may lead people to hallucinate voices when others hear only noise. And if a sense of heightened significance occurs simultaneously, this could lead to hallucinations common in schizophrenia, like a sense that the voices are commanding you to do ...

href="/post/1313825&offset=#comment-1485215">errc says

This nation has a big problem with the people hearing voices in their head.

FortWayne says

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

The issue is how many times you can pull the trigger and how fast. How many mass shootings are there with bolt action rifles or revolvers where you have to stop after a few shots and put in bullets one at a time? You guys are just full of crap with this it's all the same garbage. The only use for high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer. Or to make up for some serious sexual inadequacy. Hey sweety come check out my mag.

errc says

Any Asshole saying that “God told me” should be disqualified from holding public office

Hopefully, time will lead to those people getting voted out. Until recent times, even atheists have had to play up their religious cred. Many polls still do, as there are more religious nuts in our country than atheists.

One particularly senseless talking point of the gun nuts is that criminals don't obey the laws anyway, so gun laws will only disarm innocent people. The stupidity of this is that they are ignoring the fact that tough gun laws will put many of those criminals behind bars. If semiautomatic firearms were illegal, cops police would have probable cause to search any time rapid fire was reported. Furthermore, criminals would have a harder time getting firearms if 'innocent' people were not buying them left and right.

Another wrong talking point is the idea that arming everybody would stop crime, because there would be hero's all about stopping the few evil bad guys around. This would dramatically drive up the number of accidents, and make getting a gun super easy. All a criminal would have to do is break into a few cars, snatch a couple purses, etc. Best case scenario, this results in the wild west type atmosphere, which would be a disaster.

Finally, there is a strange need among gun defenders to state that people who kill themselves with a gun would just kill themselves with something else in the absence of a gun. This is not necessarily the case. The harder it is for someone to off themselves, the less likely they will be to do it on any given day, and the more likely they will be to decide not to do it. Some of the same people making this case are the ones arguing that the opioid epidemic is tragic, and the white male depression epidemic is tragic. Well, it's tragic if someone offs themselves with a drug or a gun. Both happen to be very easy, and they are easier when the drugs and guns are super easy to come by.

anon_61c8a says

Another wrong talking point is the idea that arming everybody would stop crime, because there would be hero's all about stopping the few evil bad guys around. This would dramatically drive up the number of accidents, and make getting a gun super easy. All a criminal would have to do is break into a few cars, snatch a couple purses, etc. Best case scenario, this results in the wild west type atmosphere, which would be a disaster.

More total Liberal B.S. and lies.

Just please STOP.

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anon_61c8a says

Finally, there is a strange need among gun defenders to state that people who kill themselves with a gun would just kill themselves with something else in the absence of a gun. This is not necessarily the case. The harder it is for someone to off themselves, the less likely they will be to do it on any given day, and the more likely they will be to decide not to do it.

Stop, just please stop with this B.S. hyperbole.




If people want to kill themselves, they find a way. Period.

anon_8f378 says

But, it's A-OK to give that kid a gun!

Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.

Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.

anon_61c8a says

One particularly senseless talking point of the gun nuts is that criminals don't obey the laws anyway, so gun laws will only disarm innocent people. The stupidity of this is that they are ignoring the fact that tough gun laws will put many of those criminals behind bars.

ONG, please just STOP this B.S. Liberal narrative!!

There are over 20,000 - 30,000 EXISTING gun laws on the books. Killing people is a felony. Criminals break those thousands of laws daily, that' why they're called "criminals".

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books, yet it's the BIGGEST killing field in the country... Explain that?

Liberal Logic, the ignorance is astounding.

bob2356 says

FortWayne says

There is nothing AR15 does that a handgun doesn't do. One trigger pull = one bullet. It's just more accurate at range if you aim well, at close range and considering crazies are usually bad shots anyway with every weapon since they just "point it"... it's all same.

The issue is how many times you can pull the trigger and how fast. How many mass shootings are there with bolt action rifles or revolvers where you have to stop after a few shots and put in bullets one at a time? You guys are just full of crap with this it's all the same garbage. The only use for high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer. Or to make up for some serious sexual inadequacy. Hey sweety come check out my mag.

Mass shootings, usually gun or a rifle. No one uses bolt action since Kennedy assassination. We can't go back in time Bob, this is what world is today. Cops use modern weapons, soldiers use modern weapons, and yes criminals have access to all of them too. Only regular law abiding folks will fall under any new regulation, which makes any new regulation useless.

And the problem with last shooting, wasn't an issue of gun control. It was a failure of our government. People did what they were told "saw something, said something". it's the FBI that failed to act and investigate. Just like with Tsarnaev brothers. All these government crooks know is how to milk the system to spike their pensions, they don't actually stop bad guys. Because the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

You are gullible if you think any law will stop someone who set their mind on committing a murder.

Strategist says

When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.

FortWayne says

Mass shootings, usually gun or a rifle. No one uses bolt action since Kennedy assassination. We can't go back in time Bob, this is what world is today. Cops use modern weapons, soldiers use modern weapons, and yes criminals have access to all of them too. Only regular law abiding folks will fall under any new regulation, which makes any new regulation useless.

Criminals are doing mass shootings all around the country? Last time I checked most mass shooters bought perfectly legally. There is no reason whatsoever any civilian needs high capacity quick change clips. I hunted just fine for many years with a bolt action model 70 chambered for 30-06. If you are such a shit shot you need multiple high capacity clips then you shouldn't be hunting at all.

FortWayne says

You are gullible if you think any law will stop someone who set their mind on committing a murder.

No one ever said that, nice straw man. What could be done is make sending back round information mandatory, updating and modernizing the database, and requiring a back round check for all gun sales. Criminals can only get guns if some where along the line some legitimate gun owner sold a gun to some one who could not pass a back round check. Either through a private sale or straw buyer.

zzyzzx says

Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.

Bullshit. If you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too.

anon_cf6c6 says

ONG, please just STOP this B.S. Liberal narrative!!

There are over 20,000 - 30,000 EXISTING gun laws on the books. Killing people is a felony. Criminals break those thousands of laws daily, that' why they're called "criminals".

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books, yet it's the BIGGEST killing field in the country... Explain that?

Exactly. Why do we need murder laws anyway???!!!?? Murderers obviously don't follow the laws anyway!! That's why they're murderers!!!!!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.

Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.

More reason to deny gun license to someone on anti-depressant medication.

anon_8f378 says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Because he was never charged and convicted or forcibly hospitalized by the Authorities in the 30-something encounters they had with him.

Had he been, he wouldn't have been able to pass the background check.

More reason to deny gun license to someone on anti-depressant medication.

Exactly, so why didn't social services, who was treating him report his drug use?

Why didn't the cops, who went to his house over 30 times did deeper into his situation and report it?

Why didn't the schools he was expelled from have a investigation done?

Why didn't the FBI, who had TWO reports that he was going to kill, fail to follow up?

Why didn't anyone reading all his social media posts push for an investigation?

There were more red flags then would fit in a dump truck.

Any one of those would have put a mark on his record, but the authorities didn't do their job.

But, we need to ban AR-15s "Assault weapons", that will fix that problem, right?

bob2356 says

high capacity fast reload mags is to shoot lots of bullets very fast. At people, not deer.

Yup. The AR-15, in certain scenarios, is the finest personal defense weapon available.

Or, even more frequently, lethal DWIs

Hey--I'm the one saying there are many problems and solving it will require many solutions. Let's look at everything.

zzyzzx says

Strategist says

When was the last time 50 criminals came to hunt you down? You do not need an AR-15. It's purpose is to kill, not defend.

Defending yourself with a handgun, take a lot of practice. People don't want to do that. It's simply much easier to defend yourself with a gun that can spray bullets indiscriminately everywhere.

I wish there was a way to wager on the first armed teacher stops a criminal in his tracks, or accidentally shoots themselves or innocent students

bob2356 says

If you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too

bob2356 says

quick change clips.

What sized "clips" do they use?

anon_8f378 says

Hey--I'm the one saying there are many problems and solving it will require many solutions. Let's look at everything.

OK

Start listing your solutions, but here's the twist, no regurgitating the standard Dem delusional talking points.

GO!

anon_cf6c6 says

bob2356 says

If you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too

bob2356 says

quick change clips.

What sized "clips" do they use?

You know who finds clips vs mags funny? Nobody. Especially not the 17 Dead Americans

bob2356 says

Criminals are doing mass shootings all around the country? Last time I checked most mass shooters bought perfectly legally. There is no reason whatsoever any civilian needs high capacity quick change clips. I hunted just fine for many years with a bolt action model 70 chambered for 30-06. If you are such a shit shot you need multiple high capacity clips then you shouldn't be hunting at all.

Bob this isn't about hunting. Constitution doesn't specify that guns are for "hunting". We have guns, for whatever we need. I mostly self defense against criminals which government can't protect us from, others for sport or marksmanship, to each their own.

bob2356 says

No one ever said that, nice straw man. What could be done is make sending back round information mandatory, updating and modernizing the database, and requiring a back round check for all gun sales. Criminals can only get guns if some where along the line some legitimate gun owner sold a gun to some one who could not pass a back round check. Either through a private sale or straw buyer.

That kid who shot up the school, would still be able to get a gun based on what you just described as new regulation. So what are you solving exactly? And I believe there are already background checks, felons can't buy guns.

errc says

You know who finds clips vs mags funny? Nobody.

It just goes to show you how out of touch the Liberals are with their delusional anti-gun rants. They don't even know the correct terminology.

Carry on!

“It’s not a safety issue, it’s a political issue,” LaPierre said while making the case for armed security in American schools.

“Our banks, our airports, our NBA games, our NFL games, our office buildings, our movie stars, our politicians, they’re all more protected than our children at school,” LaPierre said. “Does that make any sense to anybody?”

“Do we really love our money and our celebrities more than we love our children?” LaPierre added.

“Evil walks among us, and God help us if we don’t arm our schools and protect our kids,” LaPierre said.

LaPierre also reiterated the NRA’s efforts to protect schools by offering free professional help in keeping schools safe.

“Any American school that needs immediate professional consultation and help with organizing and to finding these solutions should call the National Rifle Association School Shield program,” LaPierre said.

“That’s more than anybody at the Democratic National Committee or NBC News or the Washington Post is offering,” he added.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nras-wayne-lapierre-goes-on-offense-at-cpac/article/2649734

I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.

"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."

TwoScoopsPlissken says

I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.

"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford an $11/hr security guard."

So, how exactly is that going to work at 2:50 when 3000 kids are all exiting the school through those doors? Make every kid line up and exit though the same exit in single file through a turnstile?

How are you going to keep it orderly enough so that no one could enter while 3000 kids are leaving?

Or at 7:30AM when 3000 kids are trying to enter? Does every kid have to swipe his badge to go through a turnstile then? Or sign in with the guard?

How long do you think it would take for every kid to swipe his card and go through the turnstile?

anon_8f378 says

So, how exactly is that going to work at 2:50 when 3000 kids are all exiting the school through those doors? Make every kid line up and exit though the same exit in single file through a turnstile?

What, people employed at Los Alamos or 1 Infinite Loop don't mostly leave around 5:00PM? Maybe the National Labs or Apple shouldn't bother having security at all, then.

I'm sure that won't result in any problems. Nevermind shooters, but crazy ranters ("iPhones zapped my brain!"), disgruntled employees, ex-lovers, thieves and spies...

You want to ban all guns, but are opposed to having a turnstile that's present in a good deal many everyday situations, such as a subway?

Hey, sometimes a bunch of flights land at the same time and 1000s of people exit the terminal. Let's let them walk the wrong way through the TSA Checkpoint, we can't possibly channel them through another hallway to leave the airport!

I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.

anon_8f378 says

I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.

I'm sorry, but I don't really have patience for the argument who say a gatehouse or checkpoint isn't feasible because kids exit the building at a certain time.

Kids in NYC take the subway in huge numbers at 2:30PM, but there's still exit turnstiles and has been not just for years, but at least 3 or 4 generations of the countless numbers of New York City Public School Kids (and employees, too).

anon_8f378 says

I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.

How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?

I'd bet parents with concealed carry permits would do it for free

anon_cf6c6 says

How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?

Not difficult at all. Also not very effective.

And to be clear--almost all schools have security and checkpoints during the school day--including in Parkland. It's only at the start and end of the day that the security becomes tricky.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Kids in NYC take the subway in huge numbers at 2:30PM, but there's still exit turnstiles and has been not just for years, but at least 3 or 4 generations of the countless numbers of New York City Public School Kids (and employees, too).

Exactly--many, many turnstiles. I just want to make sure you understand what you are advocating. Even so, have you ever waited at the Wrigley Red Line stop right after a Cubs game ends? You're looking at 20-30 minutes easy before you get through the turnstiles. (many turnstiles). So, we're talking about making kids wait a half hour to get out of school every day.

That's what you want?

Remember, when SECONDS count, cops are only MINUTES away! If you people plan on having the cops protect you in an emergency, you're fucked!

Sheriff: Armed officer at school never entered building during shooting .

The armed officer stationed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., resigned Thursday after an internal review found he did not enter the school during last week's deadly shooting.

"Scot Peterson was absolutely on campus through this entire event. He was armed. He was in uniform," Israel said at a press conference.

"We're not going to disclose the video at this time, and we may never disclose the video, depending on the prosecution and the criminal case," Israel said. "But what I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of building 12, take up a position - and he never went in."

When asked by a reporter what Peterson should have done, Israel said the deputy should have "went in, addressed the killer, killed the killer."

Israel said the video made him "sick to [his] stomach" and left him feeling "devastated."

"There are no words," he said.

"After seeing video, witness statements and Scot Peterson's very own statement, I decided this morning to suspend [him] without pay pending an internal investigation," he continued.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/375174-broward-co-sheriff-armed-officer-at-school-never-went-into?amp&__twitter_impression=true

anon_8f378 says

anon_cf6c6 says

How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?

Not difficult at all. Also not very effective.

So, why is having armed guards at banks, jewelry stores, NBA games, NFL games, MLB games, political buildings, airports, etc. so effective?

Let's eliminate all of them.

Oh, BTW, you also can't call an armed policeman to protect you when a crazy dude breaks into your home or business, since it's not very effective.

anon_8f378 says

Exactly--many, many turnstiles. I just want to make sure you understand what you are advocating. Even so, have you ever waited at the Wrigley Red Line stop right after a Cubs game ends? You're looking at 20-30 minutes easy before you get through the turnstiles.

So, you're comparing multi-thousands of people versus the average school size of 600 students. That's comparing apples to hammers.

Tatty/Joey/HappyGilmore/ et al, You're loosing every argument here with these nonsense liberal talking points.