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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   259,832 views  1,325 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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274   FortWayne   2018 Mar 4, 8:56pm  

Booger says


As funny as this is. Considering how stupid the left is, if this was real, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
277   LeonDurham   2018 May 3, 6:23am  

WarrenTheApe says
Arms are guns. Learn historical context.


Nope. Wrong again Warren. Look up the definition of arms. If it means guns, why not say guns. Or firearms.

The Fathers kept it general on purpose.
278   FortWayne   2018 May 3, 6:44am  

Democrats seem to hate freedoms people get. Gets in a way of government running our lives.
279   RWSGFY   2018 May 3, 8:51am  

The most funny bunch is the people who argue with a straight face that all the 2nd means is that a state is allowed to have an army.
281   HeadSet   2018 Dec 12, 2:21pm  

the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

Interesting. I do not know, but in 1820, a time when the writers and original interpreters of the Constitution were still around, was a common person allowed to own a cannon? They were allowed to be Privateers, owning fully equipped warships.
282   MrMagic   2018 Dec 16, 6:17pm  

HeadSet says
the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

Interesting. I do not know, but in 1820, a time when the writers and original interpreters of the Constitution were still around, was a common person allowed to own a cannon? They were allowed to be Privateers, owning fully equipped warships.


They were able to own the same equipment the government owned back then.

Today, not so much....
284   Patrick   2019 Jan 1, 12:07pm  

Booger says
www.youtube.com/embed/BUIebrUgJTI


Oh man, that is so wrong somehow, but I loved it. Especially how they jiggle a bit after each shot.
285   MrMagic   2019 Jan 1, 1:49pm  

Booger says


I'm trying my best to help increase that percentage on a regular basis!
286   Ceffer   2019 Jan 1, 1:50pm  

Oh man, that is so wrong somehow, but I loved it. Especially how they jiggle a bit after each shot.


They need stabilization with a rear insert. Not enough recoil ballast.
292   clambo   2019 Feb 4, 2:57pm  

I was talking about this subject with a friend of mine just the other day.

Firstly, any student of history knows that the right to bear arms is an individual right and has always been.

When Connecticut was a colony, there were laws which required gun ownership and fines if you were caught not having one.

However, I think some new restrictions are OK but others will argue.

I think if you are too young to rent a car, you are too young to own a gun over 22 calibre.

That is, I think gun ownership from 18-25 should be severely restricted by calibre.

If you look at the cases recently of mass shootings, lots of them seem to be 1. kids on psych medication 2. acted nuts and people reported them 3. usually under 25 years of age.

That maniac in Las Vegas is an exception and was completely under the radar so I don't know how to prevent guys like him "going postal."

I don't mind discriminating against the "slack jawed punks" under 25; I am older so fuck em.
293   MrMagic   2019 Feb 4, 3:38pm  

clambo says
However, I think some new restrictions are OK but others will argue.

I think if you are too young to rent a car, you are too young to own a gun over 22 calibre.

That is, I think gun ownership from 18-25 should be severely restricted by calibre.


Couple of issues with that, it's doesn't matter what caliber it is. I can kill you with a 22LR or a 50 caliber. Doesn't matter. It's the intent that matters, not the caliber or age.

Second, how can you allow a 18 year old to join the military, and have access to all types of firearms, and after he gets out a few years later, tell him sorry, 22LR only for you?

clambo says
That maniac in Las Vegas is an exception a


Anyone can be a maniac and evil. At 12, 25, 50 or whatever age, and it doesn't take a gun, you can kill with anything. A knife, a hammer, a 2x4 or even my DeWalt cordless drill.

Regulating age for firearms ownership is the talk of clueless Liberals.
294   clambo   2019 Feb 4, 4:17pm  

mrmagic, you can of course kill someone with a 22 but it's a lot more difficult than with a real damaging round.

I would not like to be shot with anything, but if I must, I prefer the .22 to 50 which would destroy me.

Of course, with the correct shot placement, a 22 is deadly with one round.

My proposal will make it harder for punks to go nuts.

I'm sick of kids going wacko using guns; I like the 25 year old limitation.

Shit, while I'm at it, how about 25 to vote? I'm not overly impressed with most teenagers I meet.
295   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Feb 4, 4:23pm  

clambo says


I think if you are too young to rent a car, you are too young to own a gun over 22 calibre.

That is, I think gun ownership from 18-25 should be severely restricted by calibre.


I would rather ban pistols, period, until age 30. Not that I think it would be very effective, but it would eliminate some of the incel crime.
296   clambo   2019 Feb 5, 5:14pm  

It would help when a guy who is paid by the public to protect public safety wasn't a complete incompetent.

This is the Palm Beach County Sheriff who was just fired by the new governor. He may fight to keep his job.
300   HeadSet   2019 Mar 3, 6:53pm  

Except that health care is not currently a "right."
301   RWSGFY   2019 Mar 3, 7:09pm  

Booger says


#fuckingmorons
302   WillPowers   2019 Mar 4, 11:37pm  

ARM THE CITIZENRY WITH BATTLE NUKES AND TANKS!
310   suju   2019 Jul 5, 1:23am  

spam
312   deepcgi   2019 Jul 18, 2:09pm  

What “militia” may I join which is not the US military or local police? Those are not civilian. It does not say “gun club” or “wrist rocket association”. It is militia.

Rich celebrities and politicians can hire their own private weapon-bearing muscle. This amendment gives poor people the same right.

Any talk of gun control must provide the poor with the right to private defense - however they choose to fund it.

Or ban the rich from having private armed security.

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