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anonymous
2018 Feb 23, 7:56pm
TwoScoopsPlissken says
No, the Republican party is the party of the 1%. Everything they do has pretty much one thing in mind--help the rich.
Whereas Democrats don't help the 1%, right? Feinstein just wants to eliminate the F-35 and raise the tariff, right?
No, the Republican party is the party of the 1%. Everything they do has pretty much one thing in mind--help the rich.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 23, 7:59pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 23, 7:59pm
anon_3b28c says
Historically you'd have been right, but we live in strange times, where the elite are represented more by Democrats than Republicans:
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Whereas Democrats don't help the 1%, right? Feinstein just wants to eliminate the F-35 and raise the tariff, right?
No, the Republican party is the party of the 1%. Everything they do has pretty much one thing in mind--help the rich.
Historically you'd have been right, but we live in strange times, where the elite are represented more by Democrats than Republicans:
We cross-checked the Open Secrets list of the top 100 individuals donating to outside spending groups in the current election against the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires and found that, as of June 19, there were 22 individuals on the Open Secrets list who were billionaires. Of those 22 billionaires, 13 -- or more than half -- gave predominantly to liberal groups or groups affiliated with the Democratic Party. The other nine gave predominantly to conservative groups.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Feb 24, 8:59am
Patrick says
No, it's still the case today. Although sometimes looking at donations is useful, in this case you need only look at voting behavior of both parties.
Dems voted for tax increases for the wealthy. Dems voted for capital gains tax increase. Dems voted against free trade (as a party) Dems voted for regulation of Wall St.
Reps voted for tax breaks for the wealthy. Reps voted for capital gains tax decrease. Reps voted for free trade (as a party). Reps voted to eliminate regulation of Wall St.
Actions speak louder than words.
Historically you'd have been right, but we live in strange times, where the elite are represented more by Democrats than Republicans:
No, it's still the case today. Although sometimes looking at donations is useful, in this case you need only look at voting behavior of both parties.
Dems voted for tax increases for the wealthy. Dems voted for capital gains tax increase. Dems voted against free trade (as a party) Dems voted for regulation of Wall St.
Reps voted for tax breaks for the wealthy. Reps voted for capital gains tax decrease. Reps voted for free trade (as a party). Reps voted to eliminate regulation of Wall St.
Actions speak louder than words.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 26, 7:11pm
So my main gripe is that guns barely register on the 'major problems' scale. Its alright for corporations to profit from selling us poison that gives us heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc, but we as a country get our panties in a twist about a few dead kids because they 'were murdered'. Is it not still murder if the weapon is mass poison?
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ThatGuy
2018 Feb 26, 7:13pm
I've been thinking about the anti-gun rhetoric these days
and I think I finally understand why I'm so upset by it...
My conclusion is that humanity has its priorities all messed up.
How often do you think about heart disease?
Do you know what a malignant neoplasm is?
What do you know about lower respiratory disease, accidental death, or cerebrovascular disease?
These are the top 5 killers in our country, 61.6% of deaths, and there is no outrage, no movement. 1.6M dead in 2015. Our reaction is madness.
Gun violence happens and its sad
The news will share it and the world will cry together
"we must do something!" we say...
But behind the scenes, a sinister force is at work
to distract you from our real problems
and we buy it hook, line, and sinker
And when a nutjob with an immense history
providing specific public warning of his terrible plans
Takes a semi-automatic weapon and follows through on his threats, the news takes it viral, with a revolting level of propaganda, and the crowd cheers for change. But the change is at the expense of honest people being able to defend themselves from tyranny. The evil will not yield their weapons, and history has shown that weapon bans don't work.
I don't ask you to give up your anti-gun thoughts.
I ask you to give them the respect that 1.34% of deaths deserve. 0.55% if you don't include suicide.
Please share this if you agree, it took a bit of time to look up the data, which you can find here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_06.pdf
and I think I finally understand why I'm so upset by it...
My conclusion is that humanity has its priorities all messed up.
How often do you think about heart disease?
Do you know what a malignant neoplasm is?
What do you know about lower respiratory disease, accidental death, or cerebrovascular disease?
These are the top 5 killers in our country, 61.6% of deaths, and there is no outrage, no movement. 1.6M dead in 2015. Our reaction is madness.
Gun violence happens and its sad
The news will share it and the world will cry together
"we must do something!" we say...
But behind the scenes, a sinister force is at work
to distract you from our real problems
and we buy it hook, line, and sinker
And when a nutjob with an immense history
providing specific public warning of his terrible plans
Takes a semi-automatic weapon and follows through on his threats, the news takes it viral, with a revolting level of propaganda, and the crowd cheers for change. But the change is at the expense of honest people being able to defend themselves from tyranny. The evil will not yield their weapons, and history has shown that weapon bans don't work.
I don't ask you to give up your anti-gun thoughts.
I ask you to give them the respect that 1.34% of deaths deserve. 0.55% if you don't include suicide.
Please share this if you agree, it took a bit of time to look up the data, which you can find here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_06.pdf
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anonymous
2018 Feb 26, 7:39pm
ThatGuy says
Please don't show that chart here.
It totally destroys the Liberal narrative that guns=major death, and need a total ban.
Please don't show that chart here.
It totally destroys the Liberal narrative that guns=major death, and need a total ban.
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ThatGuy
2018 Feb 26, 8:37pm
It landed with a hard, flat, thud on Facebook, Linkedin. and Twitter.
The next day every single liberal stopped posting their ridiculous rhetoric to my page.
And I get a bit of silent respect at work from unexpected sources
People start to realize maybe this really isn't the battle they should be fighting
It totally destroys the Liberal narrative that guns=major death, and need a total ban.
It landed with a hard, flat, thud on Facebook, Linkedin. and Twitter.
The next day every single liberal stopped posting their ridiculous rhetoric to my page.
And I get a bit of silent respect at work from unexpected sources
People start to realize maybe this really isn't the battle they should be fighting
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anonymous
2018 Feb 26, 8:59pm
We need more guns and cheaper ammo. Sell to teachers and students and schools will be safe
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ThatGuy
2018 Feb 26, 9:23pm
I don't agree with Trump on that one, anon.
Next step down that path is a psycho teacher who goes all Anakin on his students
Next step down that path is a psycho teacher who goes all Anakin on his students
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anonymous
2018 Feb 26, 10:04pm
ThatGuy says
Sadly, that realization hasn't made it to the Liberals here.
People start to realize maybe this really isn't the battle they should be fighting
Sadly, that realization hasn't made it to the Liberals here.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 27, 7:22am
ThatGuy says
huh? Have you not heard of the American Heart Association? Here's a website for your to peruse:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/
And American Cancer Society? Other websites for you:
https://www.cancer.org/?_ga=2.223155035.1372620195.1519736206-2092924775.1519736206
https://www.cancer.gov/research
Pretty sure there is outrage at heart disease and cancer, and a heck of a lot of money being spent already combating these diseases.
So, again, I'll ask--is the US not capable of pursuing multiple solutions at the same time? Why must it be one or the other?
These are the top 5 killers in our country, 61.6% of deaths, and there is no outrage, no movement. 1.6M dead in 2015. Our reaction is madness.
huh? Have you not heard of the American Heart Association? Here's a website for your to peruse:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/
And American Cancer Society? Other websites for you:
https://www.cancer.org/?_ga=2.223155035.1372620195.1519736206-2092924775.1519736206
https://www.cancer.gov/research
Pretty sure there is outrage at heart disease and cancer, and a heck of a lot of money being spent already combating these diseases.
So, again, I'll ask--is the US not capable of pursuing multiple solutions at the same time? Why must it be one or the other?
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anonymous
2018 Feb 27, 8:38am
anon_8f378 says
Really?
Can you point to all the news articles from Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, Obama, et al, railing on saving the population from those killers?
Also, please link all the CNN, MSNBC, WaPo and NYT articles where they're showing such concern for these 1.6M dead people each year. There should be TONS of them, right?
We'll be waiting.
anon_8f378 says
We'll see after you post all those links. There's no shortage of gun ban article from that same group. Let's see if there is an equal amount dedicated to heart disease and cancer.
Pretty sure there is outrage at heart disease and cancer, and a heck of a lot of money being spent already combating these diseases.
Really?
Can you point to all the news articles from Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, Obama, et al, railing on saving the population from those killers?
Also, please link all the CNN, MSNBC, WaPo and NYT articles where they're showing such concern for these 1.6M dead people each year. There should be TONS of them, right?
We'll be waiting.
anon_8f378 says
So, again, I'll ask--is the US not capable of pursuing multiple solutions at the same time?
We'll see after you post all those links. There's no shortage of gun ban article from that same group. Let's see if there is an equal amount dedicated to heart disease and cancer.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 27, 11:21am
anon_cf6c6 says
Sure:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/01/obama-proposes-1-billion-cancer-research/79642380/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20160113/president-obama-cancer-research#1
https://news.heart.org/president-obama-declares-february-as-american-heart-month/
https://geneva.usmission.gov/2012/02/03/heart-disease-is-world-killer-obama-urges-heart-health/
That took about 3 seconds and two google searches.
anon_cf6c6 says
Great--so you think we can do multiple things at once now?
Can you point to all the news articles from Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, Obama, et al, railing on saving the population from those killers?
Sure:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/01/obama-proposes-1-billion-cancer-research/79642380/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20160113/president-obama-cancer-research#1
https://news.heart.org/president-obama-declares-february-as-american-heart-month/
https://geneva.usmission.gov/2012/02/03/heart-disease-is-world-killer-obama-urges-heart-health/
That took about 3 seconds and two google searches.
anon_cf6c6 says
We'll see after you post all those links
Great--so you think we can do multiple things at once now?
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 8:42am
Pretty sure cops must go through extensive background checks and get training.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 8:48am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 8:48am
anon_8f378 says
Once a year qualification at the pistol range? That's not really training. I've shot at the same range our local sheriffs "train" at, and they are no better than your average John Smith who owns a Glock 19.
get training.
Once a year qualification at the pistol range? That's not really training. I've shot at the same range our local sheriffs "train" at, and they are no better than your average John Smith who owns a Glock 19.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 9:11am
Goran_K says
Thanks for making that point. Most people aren't great shots under the best of circumstances and really terrible under stress. Look at all the cop shootings where they empty a bunch of 17 round glocks and get a couple hits maybe. I'm trying to imigine a school shooting with lots of teachers who aren't very good shots spraying around bullets in rooms full o kids. Probably shooting at other teachers because they saw someone with a gun and just blasted away. Then the swat team arrives and starts shooting any people, including teachers, they see with guns. Not a pretty vision.
anon_8f378 saysget training.
Once a year qualification at the pistol range? That's not really training. I've shot at the same range our local sheriffs "train" at, and they are no better than your average John Smith who owns a Glock 19.
Thanks for making that point. Most people aren't great shots under the best of circumstances and really terrible under stress. Look at all the cop shootings where they empty a bunch of 17 round glocks and get a couple hits maybe. I'm trying to imigine a school shooting with lots of teachers who aren't very good shots spraying around bullets in rooms full o kids. Probably shooting at other teachers because they saw someone with a gun and just blasted away. Then the swat team arrives and starts shooting any people, including teachers, they see with guns. Not a pretty vision.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:16am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:16am
anon_23b8e says
North Korea barely has working nukes (if any at all). Yet no country is looking forward to invading them despite their over-the-top militaristic threats in the region.
Teacher's don't have to be "great shots", they just need to be a deterrent. If they can fire in the direction of the shooter, even if they don't score hits, they have the effect of pinning down the shooter who more than likely isn't going to run face first into return fire.
Considering most police are 6-8 minutes away under the best circumstances, and mass shootings only last around half that time, what armed teachers do is delay and deter the shooter from advancing even if they aren't scoring head shots until help arrives. Now the psychopath has to face not only an armed teacher but also a SWAT team. Far better chance of children surviving that scenario.
Israel implemented the armed teacher solution back in the 70s. How many mass shootings has Israel had at its schools in the past 2 decades?
What I don't understand is the whole "school gun free zones", that's literally taking chickens and letting the foxes get free reign. Stupidity. No lefty liberal can say that "gun free zones" have any effect on safety. It's a liberal fantasy.
Thanks for making that point. Most people aren't great shots under the best of circumstances and really terrible under stress. Look at all the cop shootings where they empty a bunch of 17 round glocks and get a couple hits maybe. I'm trying to imigine a school shooting with lots of teachers who aren't very good shots spraying around bullets in rooms full o kids. Probably shooting at other teachers because they saw someone with a gun and just blasted away. Then the swat team arrives and starts shooting any people, including teachers, they see with guns. Not a pretty vision.
North Korea barely has working nukes (if any at all). Yet no country is looking forward to invading them despite their over-the-top militaristic threats in the region.
Teacher's don't have to be "great shots", they just need to be a deterrent. If they can fire in the direction of the shooter, even if they don't score hits, they have the effect of pinning down the shooter who more than likely isn't going to run face first into return fire.
Considering most police are 6-8 minutes away under the best circumstances, and mass shootings only last around half that time, what armed teachers do is delay and deter the shooter from advancing even if they aren't scoring head shots until help arrives. Now the psychopath has to face not only an armed teacher but also a SWAT team. Far better chance of children surviving that scenario.
Israel implemented the armed teacher solution back in the 70s. How many mass shootings has Israel had at its schools in the past 2 decades?
What I don't understand is the whole "school gun free zones", that's literally taking chickens and letting the foxes get free reign. Stupidity. No lefty liberal can say that "gun free zones" have any effect on safety. It's a liberal fantasy.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 9:28am
Goran_K says
Most of them commit suicide. Death isn't a deterrent to them.
Teacher's don't have to be "great shots", they just need to be a deterrent. If they can fire in the direction of the shooter, even if they don't score hits, they have the effect of pinning down the shooter who more than likely isn't going to run face first into return fire.
Most of them commit suicide. Death isn't a deterrent to them.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:29am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:29am
anon_8f378 says
Good. Then it makes the kill shot much, much easier.
Most of them commit suicide. Death isn't a deterrent to them.
Good. Then it makes the kill shot much, much easier.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 6:42pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 6:42pm
anon_8f378 says
How does that change the inanimate object, the gun? Doesn't a cop have to pull the trigger the same way a deranged killer has to pull the trigger.
So, what's the difference, why isn't the gun blamed during a cop shooting, but it is blamed during a deranged shooter situation?
Please clarify that.
Pretty sure cops must go through extensive background checks and get training.
How does that change the inanimate object, the gun? Doesn't a cop have to pull the trigger the same way a deranged killer has to pull the trigger.
So, what's the difference, why isn't the gun blamed during a cop shooting, but it is blamed during a deranged shooter situation?
Please clarify that.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 6:42pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 6:42pm
anon_8f378 says
But in the Liberal mindset, passing NEW gun laws would be?
Can't make this shit up.
Death isn't a deterrent to them.
But in the Liberal mindset, passing NEW gun laws would be?
Can't make this shit up.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 6:42pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 6:42pm
anon_23b8e says
Does it get any more delusional than that, gun haters have zero knowledge, education and logic on training, but instead, make ridiculous statements like this. CNN is definitely doing a great job keeping their viewers ignorant.
I'm trying to imigine a school shooting with lots of teachers who aren't very good shots spraying around bullets in rooms full o kids. Probably shooting at other teachers because they saw someone with a gun and just blasted away.
Does it get any more delusional than that, gun haters have zero knowledge, education and logic on training, but instead, make ridiculous statements like this. CNN is definitely doing a great job keeping their viewers ignorant.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
Dicks Sporting goods and Walmart make sensible moves on their own.
Goran_K says
Oh, I'd be for most of Israel's gun controls in the US. We are a long long way from that level of regulation though. It isn't because their teachers are armed that the kids are safe. It's because the majority of the rest of the population is disarmed. Said differently, the right capable people are the only ones allowed to own and carry.
Goran_K says
Israel implemented the armed teacher solution back in the 70s. How many mass shootings has Israel had at its schools in the past 2 decades?
Oh, I'd be for most of Israel's gun controls in the US. We are a long long way from that level of regulation though. It isn't because their teachers are armed that the kids are safe. It's because the majority of the rest of the population is disarmed. Said differently, the right capable people are the only ones allowed to own and carry.
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bob2356
2018 Feb 28, 8:36pm
Sniper says
I owned guns for many years and am a very good shot and don't watch CNN. Try again.
Why don't you give your fairy tale version of how it will go down. While you are at it let us know about all the times you've been in a live shooting and how you whipped your big gun and blew the bad guy away with a single shot. ROFLOL.
anon_23b8e saysI'm trying to imigine a school shooting with lots of teachers who aren't very good shots spraying around bullets in rooms full o kids. Probably shooting at other teachers because they saw someone with a gun and just blasted away.
Does it get any more delusional than that, gun haters have zero knowledge, education and logic on training, but instead, make ridiculous statements like this. CNN is definitely doing a great job keeping their viewers ignorant.
I owned guns for many years and am a very good shot and don't watch CNN. Try again.
Why don't you give your fairy tale version of how it will go down. While you are at it let us know about all the times you've been in a live shooting and how you whipped your big gun and blew the bad guy away with a single shot. ROFLOL.
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bob2356
2018 Feb 28, 8:45pm
Goran_K says
Does that assume there is zero chance of any kids being behind the shooter? The teacher will make this cool as a cucumber assessment while being shot at? The SWAT team will be briefed on who is the shooter and who are the teachers? Even with people as high trained as Seal team 6 or delta force, as in training every single day, shootings turn into cluster fucks sometimes. SWAT teams fuck up by the numbers on a regular basis. But teachers are going to do better? ROFLOL.
Lots of Walter Mitties living on patent these days.
Teacher's don't have to be "great shots", they just need to be a deterrent. If they can fire in the direction of the shooter, even if they don't score hits, they have the effect of pinning down the shooter who more than likely isn't going to run face first into return fire.
Does that assume there is zero chance of any kids being behind the shooter? The teacher will make this cool as a cucumber assessment while being shot at? The SWAT team will be briefed on who is the shooter and who are the teachers? Even with people as high trained as Seal team 6 or delta force, as in training every single day, shootings turn into cluster fucks sometimes. SWAT teams fuck up by the numbers on a regular basis. But teachers are going to do better? ROFLOL.
Lots of Walter Mitties living on patent these days.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 1, 5:15am
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 1, 5:15am
bob2356 says
Is it better to have a gun in a gunfight or no gun in a gunfight?
But teachers are going to do better?
Is it better to have a gun in a gunfight or no gun in a gunfight?
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bob2356
2018 Mar 1, 7:00am
CBOEtrader says
Depends on if you are a bystander who catches a bullet doesn't it?
Why isn't anyone explaining how the swat team will tell the shooter from the teachers in the middle of total chaos? Just a small tiny little detail that is being skipped over by all the rambo wanna be's including our 5 time drafter dodger president who is now going to take on a shooter with an ar-15 bare handed. In real life they would be hiding behind something crying with their pants full of crap and piss Talk is cheap.
bob2356 saysBut teachers are going to do better?
Is it better to have a gun in a gunfight or no gun in a gunfight?
Depends on if you are a bystander who catches a bullet doesn't it?
Why isn't anyone explaining how the swat team will tell the shooter from the teachers in the middle of total chaos? Just a small tiny little detail that is being skipped over by all the rambo wanna be's including our 5 time drafter dodger president who is now going to take on a shooter with an ar-15 bare handed. In real life they would be hiding behind something crying with their pants full of crap and piss Talk is cheap.
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FortWayne
2018 Mar 1, 8:28am
FortWayne
2018 Mar 1, 8:28am
bob2356 says
by the time swat arrives, everyone is dead already who the shooter planned to kill. somehow liberals never realize, cops only show up after you are fucking dead, not before. that asshole in Florida, even waited outside while kids were getting shot up because he showed up a little too early for his personal comfort. If you want to live, you should have your own gun to defend yourself.
CBOEtrader saysbob2356 saysBut teachers are going to do better?
Is it better to have a gun in a gunfight or no gun in a gunfight?
Depends on if you are a bystander who catches a bullet doesn't it?
Why isn't anyone explaining how the swat team will tell the shooter from the teachers in the middle of total chaos? Just a small tiny little detail that is being skipped over by all the rambo wanna be's including our 5 time drafter dodger president who is now going to take on a shooter with an ar-15 bare handed. In real life they would be hiding behind something crying with their pants full of crap and piss Talk is cheap.
by the time swat arrives, everyone is dead already who the shooter planned to kill. somehow liberals never realize, cops only show up after you are fucking dead, not before. that asshole in Florida, even waited outside while kids were getting shot up because he showed up a little too early for his personal comfort. If you want to live, you should have your own gun to defend yourself.
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MrMagic
2018 Mar 1, 10:00am
MrMagic
2018 Mar 1, 10:00am
bob2356 says
So, it sounds like your solution is just let the kids be slaughtered while waiting for the cops to arrive versus give them a fighting chance by having trained and armed teachers?
Is that correct?
bob2356 says
It's pretty easy, the shooter will be the young male with a AR15 and all types of mags and hardware hanging off his body.
CBOEtrader saysbob2356 saysBut teachers are going to do better?
Is it better to have a gun in a gunfight or no gun in a gunfight?
Depends on if you are a bystander who catches a bullet doesn't it?
So, it sounds like your solution is just let the kids be slaughtered while waiting for the cops to arrive versus give them a fighting chance by having trained and armed teachers?
Is that correct?
bob2356 says
Why isn't anyone explaining how the swat team will tell the shooter from the teachers in the middle of total chaos?
It's pretty easy, the shooter will be the young male with a AR15 and all types of mags and hardware hanging off his body.
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 1, 10:12am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 1, 10:12am
bob2356 says
This is a myth.
Gun fights are not "chaotic" to the point where everyone is running around directionless, and no one knows what's going on and where the shooting is originating from.
If you watch video of the Columbine, or the Charlie Hedbo shooting, etc, people clear our VERY QUICKLY as soon as the shooting starts which leaves the shooter pretty much in the clear, making them easily identifiable, especially if they are dressed in "black tactical gear" like the Newtown or Florida shooter.
Why isn't anyone explaining how the swat team will tell the shooter from the teachers in the middle of total chaos?
This is a myth.
Gun fights are not "chaotic" to the point where everyone is running around directionless, and no one knows what's going on and where the shooting is originating from.
If you watch video of the Columbine, or the Charlie Hedbo shooting, etc, people clear our VERY QUICKLY as soon as the shooting starts which leaves the shooter pretty much in the clear, making them easily identifiable, especially if they are dressed in "black tactical gear" like the Newtown or Florida shooter.
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MrMagic
2018 Mar 3, 10:01pm
MrMagic
2018 Mar 3, 10:01pm
Fla. Senate rejects assault weapons ban.
The bill to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting, failed by a 20-to-17 vote.
The body then moved to other legislation on guns. A measure to allow parents to opt students out of a classroom where a teacher is armed failed.
State Sen. Linda Stewart, a Democrat who introduced the amendment to ban assault weapons, said on the Senate floor that ammunition from assault weapons can blow up inside the victim’s body and that there is no reason for anyone to have them.
(Liberal Ignorance at it's best, what's an "assault weapon"? Ammunition "blows up"? When will these legislators actually learn correct terminology and facts?)
State Sen. Kelli Stargel (R) argued that banning assault weapons could be a slippery slope. Would fertilizer, used in the 1995 bombing of an Oklahoma City federal building, be banned? Or pressure cookers, used in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fla-senate-rejects-assault-weapons-ban-holds-moment-of-silence-for-shooting-victims/2018/03/03/698a68cc-1f23-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.eaf3249b522e
The bill to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting, failed by a 20-to-17 vote.
The body then moved to other legislation on guns. A measure to allow parents to opt students out of a classroom where a teacher is armed failed.
State Sen. Linda Stewart, a Democrat who introduced the amendment to ban assault weapons, said on the Senate floor that ammunition from assault weapons can blow up inside the victim’s body and that there is no reason for anyone to have them.
(Liberal Ignorance at it's best, what's an "assault weapon"? Ammunition "blows up"? When will these legislators actually learn correct terminology and facts?)
State Sen. Kelli Stargel (R) argued that banning assault weapons could be a slippery slope. Would fertilizer, used in the 1995 bombing of an Oklahoma City federal building, be banned? Or pressure cookers, used in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fla-senate-rejects-assault-weapons-ban-holds-moment-of-silence-for-shooting-victims/2018/03/03/698a68cc-1f23-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.eaf3249b522e
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MrMagic
2018 Mar 3, 10:02pm
MrMagic
2018 Mar 3, 10:02pm
Confusion in the Florida Senate as AR-15 ban fails to pass.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- It appeared Florida's upper chamber had approved a ban on AR-15-style rifles Saturday, but a later roll call vote clarified that it did not have the votes to pass. After it appeared the two-year moratorium on the sale, delivery and transfer of AR-15-style rifles had passed by a voice vote, minutes later, that motion was reconsidered, and ultimately reversed by a roll call vote, with 17 votes in favor of the amendment and 21 against it.
"Every constitutional right that we hold dear has a limitation," said Democratic Sen. Gary Farmer. "These are just military-style killing machines and the right of self-defense and the ability to hunt will go on."
Republicans argued that banning such weapons would violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms.
"Our founding fathers weren't talking about hunting, and they weren't talking about protecting themselves from the thief down the street who might break in," said Republican Sen. David Simmons. Simmons said people need guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.
"Adolf Hitler confiscated all the weapons -- took all the weapons, had a registry of everybody -- and then on the night of June 30th, 1934, sent out his secret police and murdered all of his political opponents," Simmons said. "You think it doesn't happen in a free society? It does."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-senate-passes-immediately-reverses-ar-15-ban-2018-03-03/
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- It appeared Florida's upper chamber had approved a ban on AR-15-style rifles Saturday, but a later roll call vote clarified that it did not have the votes to pass. After it appeared the two-year moratorium on the sale, delivery and transfer of AR-15-style rifles had passed by a voice vote, minutes later, that motion was reconsidered, and ultimately reversed by a roll call vote, with 17 votes in favor of the amendment and 21 against it.
"Every constitutional right that we hold dear has a limitation," said Democratic Sen. Gary Farmer. "These are just military-style killing machines and the right of self-defense and the ability to hunt will go on."
Republicans argued that banning such weapons would violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms.
"Our founding fathers weren't talking about hunting, and they weren't talking about protecting themselves from the thief down the street who might break in," said Republican Sen. David Simmons. Simmons said people need guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.
"Adolf Hitler confiscated all the weapons -- took all the weapons, had a registry of everybody -- and then on the night of June 30th, 1934, sent out his secret police and murdered all of his political opponents," Simmons said. "You think it doesn't happen in a free society? It does."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-senate-passes-immediately-reverses-ar-15-ban-2018-03-03/
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Couple things to note in there:
1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.
So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?
In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”
Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.
So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??
Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.