patrick.net

Of course the left is heavily reliant on personal attacks. Identity politics at its CORE is a demonization game.

"All trump supporters are racist nazis"

"Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a racist!"

"Black people should get affirmative action spots at top universities despite lower scores because whites are privileged!"

All personal attacks, and getting people to hate each other based on mistruths and lies.

How do you define “the left”?

Who are your talking about, specifically?

Or is the term intentionally vague, in order to cover a broad range of the boogeyman enemy you’re programmed to hate?

CBOEtrader says

How? Trump is saying he wants MAGA for all americans. He has never put forth one group identity over another. He has certainly never said that groups of Americans are deplorable. ALL OF THAT BIGOTRY is coming from the left today. I would suggest this as evidence that the left is appealing to the racist portion of the population, who are projecting their own sins onto Trump supporters.

Trump says many things besides MAGA for all Americans.

He has absolutely put one group identity over another. He just does it subtlety enough that folks like you can deny it. That's why it's called a dog whistle. Hell, his staff flashes white power symbols in photo ops. Just like how his supporters on here have adopted the new way to call African Americans "thugs". How many videos of minorities fighting have been posted on here vs. videos of white folks? Why do you suppose that is?

I'd suggest Trump supporters are just trying to muddy the water to confuse folks and hide the truth.

errc says

How do you define “the left”?

All Democrat voters.

CBOEtrader says

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

Somehow you've never seen postings by cic/sniper or tenpoundbass anywhere on patnet? or are you saying they are leftists?

Goran_K says

errc says

How do you define “the left”?

All Democrat voters.

Why do non leftists use different terms to describe their enemies?

Liberals
Leftists
Democrats

Imo, if one is talking about Democrats, they’d be better served to refer to them as such

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

Somehow you've never seen postings by cic/sniper or tenpoundbass anywhere on patnet? or are you saying they are leftists?

Not allowed to talk about obvious truths here

Remember, racism doesn’t even exist anymore
But if it did exist, it would only be the leftists

errc says

Liberals
Leftists
Democrats

Imo, if one is talking about Democrats, they’d be better served to refer to them as such

Leftist are Democrats, and Democrats are Leftist.

I never use "liberal" because very few Democrats are true "liberals" in the John Locke sense.

HappyGilmore says

He has absolutely put one group identity over another.

Where? Lets discuss details.

HappyGilmore says

He just does it subtlety enough that folks like you can deny it.

Oh, you are back to mind reading.

HappyGilmore says

That's why it's called a dog whistle.

At least you admit its your assumption. All this racism that you cant point to or quote. Yeah, sorry, i deal w facts. SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP HAS BEEN BIGOTED against americans.

Here is HRC's latest https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/19/clinton-said-she-meant-no-disrespect-by-comments-about-white-women-who-voted-for-trump/?utm_term=.bc11a475cc83

Goran_K says

very few Democrats are true "liberals"

None are true liberals. Being a true liberal today is labelled as white supremacy by the left.

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

Because their arguments fail all logical tests.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

Why didn't those sources state the fact that the charges had been dropped?

The article I read didnt mention that part. The article I read gave few relevant facts (which is why i didnt post it) besides her trespassing charge, which the OP didnt mention at all.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

Why was I made fun of for posting an old article that proved the charges were dropped?

Because you wrote "Two weeks ago..." about a 2 year old article. I'm trying to get the facts straight. Stick w the discussion. Oh, and stop trolling

CBOEtrader says

Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

It's funny because all the attacks we see from the right is all ad hominem: see the attacks on Clinton "globalist queen", Warren "Pocahontas" think she has indian blood, etc...
Any discussion on global warming soon turn into attacks on Al Gore.
Or general attacks like people on the left are all crazy, mentally ill, perverts, etc....

We rarely see any discussions of actual issues.

Ok, I just used the ignore button for the the new 5lb troll. Does this mean I wont see anything this troll posts? (I hope)

First time for everything I guess.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

How about Leftist?

Left/Leftist, same shit stain. It's the word "liberal" where I make a distinction.

Heraclitusstudent says

It's funny because all the attacks we see from the right is all ad hominem

Show me Republican politicians who call the left some form of deplorable.

Thats the most easily notable distinction. - OR - Show me where the right is accusing the left of having "blood on their hands" for disagreeing about gun control. -OR- show me business leaders on the right who wont hire democratic voters. -OR- Wont do business w democratic voters. -OR show me where the right is oppressing the careers of those on the left?

All of this bigotry is coming from the left. This is almost identical to the type of bigotry witnessed in 1930's germany. Replace white male conservative w Jew and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Nazi's and today's left.

SHOW ME anywhere, one single data point where the right is oppressing the left in the same way.

HEYYOU says

Don't they realize if there is no gun control,more on the right can be slaughtered in large numbers.

It is voting blocks on the left that kill themselves en masse, not the right.

HEYYOU says

The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.

There is a direct correlation between legal gun ownership rates and lower murder rates (and lower violent crime rates in general). You should rethink your false premises.

CBOEtrader says

Show me Republican politicians who call the left some form of deplorable.

Here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-47-percent-americans-pay-no-income-tax/
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. "

CBOEtrader says

Show me where the right is accusing the left of having "blood on their hands" for disagreeing

Here:
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2016/07/12/the-new-york-times-and-the-left-have-blood-on-their-hands-n2191460

CBOEtrader says

All of this bigotry is coming from the left.

Clearly not. Both sides are ultra-partisan bigots.

HEYYOU says

The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

HappyGilmore says

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

That’s a good question

However, they seem to struggle with lots of words and their meaning

HappyGilmore says

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

Which facts are they not understanding?

HappyGilmore says

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

Are you saying it isn't true? Ask the murderers in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC who they wanted to be president. Over 90% of them would say HRC.

Facts matter. It is the D supporters who kill each other, not Trumps

Heraclitusstudent says

CBOEtrader says

Show me Republican politicians who call the left some form of deplorable.

Here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-47-percent-americans-pay-no-income-tax/
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. "

Not exactly the same thing as calling Trump supporters racist, now is it?

Heraclitusstudent says

CBOEtrader says

Show me where the right is accusing the left of having "blood on their hands" for disagreeing

Here:
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2016/07/12/the-new-york-times-and-the-left-have-blood-on-their-hands-n2191460

Nice find. This guy is obviously being using inciting language in an op-ed about a politically targeted murder. I disagree w his level of vitriol. However a 5 cop ambush murder is indeedtime for the left to admit and finger wag at the underlying motivating movements. Black lives matter is statistically more violent than the KKK. Fact.

Again this is fundamentally different than accusing gun rights proponents of having blood on their hands, or accusing Trump supporters of being racist (and therefore worthy of violent response).

Goran_K says

Which facts are they not understanding?

Pretty sure there are Republicans in all those cities. And who knows how many were committed by people from outside the murder location?

So, I'm not understanding how you think your statement is a fact.

CBOEtrader says

Are you saying it isn't true? Ask the murderers in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC who they wanted to be president. Over 90% of them would say HRC.

Facts matter. It is the D supporters who kill each other, not Trumps

Yes, I'm absolutely saying it's not true. You're making HUGE assumptions here. Not facts.

Facts do matter.

HappyGilmore says

CBOEtrader says

Are you saying it isn't true? Ask the murderers in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC who they wanted to be president. Over 90% of them would say HRC.

Facts matter. It is the D supporters who kill each other, not Trumps

Yes, I'm absolutely saying it's not true. You're making HUGE assumptions here. Not facts.

Facts do matter.

You think black guys in Chicago's west side would vote Trump? Lol

CBOEtrader says

None are true liberals. Being a true liberal today is labelled as white supremacy by the left.

This is sadly true. I’m a member of a FB group that’s mostly white Jews. Leftists nearly all of them. I really have to watch what I say... I mentioned that I liked Jordan Peterson’s philosophy, and got dog piled because apparently they all thought he was an asshole and a bigot and possibly a Nazi, definitely alt right. I retorted that Peterson is a classical Liberal, as defined in any text book. I was told he hates Jews and why would I like someone who hates Jews? I asked for references, and provided one of my own (a video of Peterson remarking on how most of his friends are Jews and he admires the Jewish people). I was told that this is a dog whistle to say that Jews are an evil cabal of selfish influencers. At that point I just gave up. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

HappyGilmore says

Pretty sure there are Republicans in all those cities.

Not very many, also, it's not about who is in the city, it's about who is committing the crimes.

We know the general demographic of those committing violent crime in those cities:

- black
- male
- under 25

Does that fit the typical GOP voter profile?

RafiMaas says

CBOEtrader says

Facts do matter.

You think black guys in Chicago's west side would vote Trump? Lol

"A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person's feelings that cannot be proven. Opinions can be based on facts or emotions and sometimes they are meant to deliberately mislead others."

"What one thinks" is irelevent, it is opinion. Facts require proof without proof it's just an opinion.

Fact. 88% of african americans voted for HRC. Fact. Low income African Americans voted for HRC at a higher rate than educated african americans. Fact 95% of shootings in Chicago are perpetrated by African Americans, from under-educated ghettos. Fact. This trend in African American communities is nation wide. Fact. Some cities are worse than others, but the predominant indicating factor for murder per capita is the % of poor african americans in that community.

This is FAR easier to "prove" w available facts than white privilege, the gender wage gap, the college rape culture, or any number of leftist talking points.

Fact. It is an obvious suggestion that most murders are committed by HRC supporters, not Trump supporters. No way you can suggest this isn't true.

Why is it difficult for rightists to make any point at all without attacking "leftists" using a false premise?

Quigley says

CBOEtrader says

None are true liberals. Being a true liberal today is labelled as white supremacy by the left.

This is sadly true. I’m a member of a FB group that’s mostly white Jews. Leftists nearly all of them. I really have to watch what I say... I mentioned that I liked Jordan Peterson’s philosophy, and got dog piled because apparently they all thought he was an asshole and a bigot and possibly a Nazi, definitely alt right. I retorted that Peterson is a classical Liberal, as defined in any text book. I was told he hates Jews and why would I like someone who hates Jews? I asked for references, and provided one of my own (a video of Peterson remarking on how most of his friends are Jews and he admires the Jewish people). I was told that this is a dog whistle to say that Jews are an evil cabal of selfish influencers. At that point I just gave up. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Jordan Peterson is the perfect example. The guy is a LEFT LEANING CLASSIC LIBERAL, but gets called a white supremacist because he refuses to tow the progressive line. Progressives are anti-liberal, at their core.

Goran_K says

Not very many, also, it's not about who is in the city, it's about who is committing the crimes.

We know the general demographic of those committing violent crime in those cities:

- black
- male
- under 25

Does probably = a fact?

CBOEtrader says

Fact. 88% of african americans voted for HRC

Does 88% = 100%?

Does every black person vote?

Fact--53% of firearm deaths are from African Americans. 47% are NOT.

CBOEtrader says

Jordan Peterson is the perfect example. The guy is a LEFT LEANING CLASSIC LIBERAL, but gets called a white supremacist because he refuses to tow the progressive line. Progressives are anti-liberal, at their core.

Again I'll ask--what is your definition of liberal?

Because the right wingers are usually imbeciles.

I like calling stupid stupid and ridiculing vile, dumb people.

It really is time for Republicans to step out of the comfort zone and use the tariff/infrastructure drive to recruit Black Males.

Liberate them from the Ghetto Matriarchy. Advertise in Black Heavy districts:

"After 40 years of Democrats, has your community gotten safer? Economy better? Take a chance, vote Republican. You have nothing to lose."