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bob2356 says

and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Patrick says

Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.

@patrick,
That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

CovfefeButDeadly says

A true liberal would engage the following policies:

-Insist on a vote of congress and a declaration of war before engaging in overseas military action.
-fight vehemently against bank/wall st/financial bailouts and favorable policies towards such
-fully support and embrace the 1st and 5th amendments. Take a less strident(but still supportive) view of other amendments including the 2nd. A true liberal is absolutely appalled at what is going on currently in the schools and colleges.
-support tariffs that protect american industry and jobs.
-support a limited social safety net.
-support an increased tax on capital gains.

This is a decent summary. I'd disagree w in theory w increased tax on capital gains, but this isnt a perfect world. In this imperfect work, a capital gains tax would be preferable to an income tax, so functionally we still agree.

bob2356 says

highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states.

perhaps clarify which states you are talking about? Not sure how you define liberal vs strict gun laws.

I haven't run the numbers in 2 years, but when you take murder rate and run a regression against legal gun ownership rate, there is a negative correlation. Higher legal gun ownership = lower murder rate per state. Although the relationship was nowhere near as strong as % of african americans to murder rate.

Hair Hatted Houligan Relatives of rightfully shot dead Burglar complain about 2nd Amendment.

www.youtube.com/embed/9NGjm2Qz0nM

It's America's #1 Plague and the cause of most of the Violence in this country. Nasty bitches who don't love their kids, don't care what happens to them, especially the boys. Just wanting to get the most recently paroled Thug (desperate from being in prison) to bang 'em in their nasty coochie.

Trayvon's mom didn't even know what her own son liked.

Goran_K says

bob2356 says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.

FP says

That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

@FP Deleted comments are really gone, since backups happen at night.

Can you just repost it? Please do not make it about Goran or about any other user, or about all patrick.net users.

Nothing will ever change until folks get real about why a handful of horny, bloodthirsty Spaniards could defeat Montezuma and subjugate the Stone Age soon to be Hispanics. And why Africa is so ass backwards. Hint: it ain’t whitey.

Goran_K says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.

Left wing media has been pushing anti American ideology, it does affect the minds of their viewers.

Goran_K says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.

FP says

Goran_K says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.

Seems fair

I found a really funny meme. It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.

PrivilegedtobeWhite says

It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.

It does accurately fit many of the lefty posters in this thread.

Goran_K says

Worst part is, it's mostly blacks killing other blacks.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

HappyGilmore says

blacks commit SO MUCH MORE GUN VIOLENCE than other races, that you can build a decently accurate model of murder per capita knowing nothing more than % of african americans in a population

I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ? (not that it's aswesome that so many inner city blacks find themselves in gang banger turf battles, vendettas, or whatever the fuck they're doing.

If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?

I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness ! Kudos. I know Patrick loves it and agrees wholeheartedly.

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

Sniper says

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

I need a trustee to hold the money and a good definition of what constitutes a win.

marcus says

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks,

From Chicago:

Sniper says

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

Multiple personality disorder
A disorder characterized by the presence of two or more distinct personality states.

Projection: Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

Are you trying to distract from this ?

marcus says

I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?

marcus says

Sniper says

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

I need a trustee to hold the money and a good definition of what constitutes a win.

@Patrick I’m telling you there’s a huge market in need of an outlet here. SkininthegamelikearealfuckingAmerican.com
Man up and put your money where your mouth is or piss straight off with your worthless tripe.

You’d need to work on having fair arbiters, though.

marcus says

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

You are betting that you can find an outlier? Sure, go ahead. I'll bet if you could find an outlier as well. It would be interesting to compare the outlier to black culture at large. This type of exercise will most likely illuminate the problems and perhaps even solutions to those problems. I encourage you to find this outlier.

marcus says

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ?

Statistics on racial breakdowns are easy to find and as accurate as statistics across 300 million people can be.

marcus says

If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?

Probably not. 3 people does not make a statistically significant case study. 5000 gun murders per year, however, does.

marcus says

I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness !

You see. THIS is why we cant solve the problems in the black community. PC culture IS STANDING IN THE WAY OF SAVING LIVES. You dont care, you just care about not being called racist.

Some of us have more integrity and courage.

Another juxtaposition of the quotes. I think of it as an art form.

CBOEtrader says

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

CBOEtrader says

you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Nazi's and today's left.

CBOEtrader says

This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

CBOEtrader says

You are betting that you can find an outlier? Sure, go ahead. I'll bet if you could find an outlier as well.

An outlier ? I was talking about an entire population. I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate. I think your proposition is an absurd lie, unless applied to populations that include a dirt poor black population. Even then, if it's in a non urban area it's still probably false.


CBOEtrader says

Probably not. 3 people does not make a statistically significant case study. 5000 gun murders per year, however, does.

Actually 3 compared to zero is statistically significant.

CBOEtrader says

You see. THIS is why we cant solve the problems in the black community. PC culture IS STANDING IN THE WAY OF SAVING LIVES. You dont care, you just care about not being called racist.

Bull-fucking shit !! I don't deny the problem. I also don't define the problem as simplistically as you.

Maybe you can explain to us how making it about race, rather than about job opportunities,education and family values makes your approach so much more efficacious ?

marcus says

I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate.

Sniper says

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

and, we're still waiting.....

marcus says

I think your proposition is an absurd lie

This is the brainwashing talking.

Simple statistical truths become so unpalatable that you reject obvious facts.

Ok, do this. Out of 52 states (including Puerto Rico and DC), measure the correlation between murder and % of black population in 42 of them. Then use that to forecast the murder rate of the last 10. You will get VERY close. I know, because I've done it. You are crying foul because you haven't.

Ultimately this type of PC reaction hurts black communities. We must be free to identify an obvious crime problem in the black community if we have any chance to fix the problem.

Or do you feel that our black communities are totes fine because you can find an outlier somewhere?

marcus says

Maybe you can explain to us how making it about race, rather than about job opportunities,education and family values makes your approach so much more efficacious ?

Because you can do the same thing for poor hispanic, white and Asian communities AND blacks still dwarf the others in their crime rate. Yes, poverty is correlated but race is FAR more correlated.

CBOEtrader says

AND blacks still dwarf the others in their crime rate. Yes, poverty is correlated but race is FAR more correlated.

Okay, what's your point ? What are you going to do with that ? Let's suppose your're right. How exactly is that useful ?

And I still say it's easy to find middle class black communities with close to zero violence, making you wrong.

Perhaps poor and black is far more likely to be violent than poor and asian.

But that doesn't mean that middle class and black isn't nearly equal in violence to middle class and Asian.

Sniper says

marcus says

I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate.

Sniper says

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

and, we're still waiting.....

marcus says

And I still say it's easy to find middle class black communities with close to zero violence, making you wrong.

...and we're STILL waiting.....

I'm still waiting for you to put up some money. Cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck......

DO you get my drift ? Or do I need to spell it out more clearly for you.

marcus says

I'm still waiting for you to put up some money.

So, you're having a tough time finding those communities with close to zero black violence and murder rates, I see.

marcus says

Or do I need to spell it out more clearly for you.

Nope, very clear, you have no facts to back up your assertion. Just what I figured.

@patrick,

I am still waiting for you to remove Goran's comment (#91), which was a personal attack.

Or maybe some of the other moderators will step in? The ones that were ensuring us that they will take care of all personal attacks, so that we don't even need a "personal" button.

marcus says

And I still say it's easy to find middle class black communities with close to zero violence, making you wrong.

Bzzt. Fail. Outliers do not make strong correlations wrong. Outliers do perhaps tell another story though.

Go find your outlier and lets see what we can glean from it.

marcus says

But that doesn't mean that middle class and black isn't nearly equal in violence to middle class and Asian.

You are making this up. Facts do not support your progressive worldview. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can actually help someone. Asians, on average, have much lower crime rates than every other group. Middle class Asians do absolutely commit less crime than middle class blacks.

marcus says

Okay, what's your point ? What are you going to do with that ? Let's suppose your're right. How exactly is that useful ?

The original point was in refuting a poster who suggested that Republicans should be allowed to have guns so they kill themselves. I pointed out that a large majority of the murderers (and suspects) are D's.

Regardless, there is always value in speaking truth. Ask Roland Fryer, famous black harvard economist. I once heard a talk he gave in which he mentioned PC culture as a HUGE issue holding back economists in helping black communities. Specifically, the tendency to call economists racist if they study differences in cultures or come to the wrong anti-PC conclusions is an enormous detriment to actually finding a solution to the problem. This is also why he decided to study black under-achievement as his life's work.

However, the same PC culture tendencies are very literally killing people.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/11/1000-children-may-have-victims-britains-biggest-ever-child-abuse/
"authorities did not keep details of abusers from Asian communities for fear of being accused of "racism" and that police failed to investigate one recent case five times until an MP intervened."

In summary, PC culture = black deaths, and rape of little girls.

CBOEtrader says

bob2356 says

highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states.

perhaps clarify which states you are talking about? Not sure how you define liberal vs strict gun laws.

I haven't run the numbers in 2 years, but when you take murder rate and run a regression against legal gun ownership rate, there is a negative correlation. Higher legal gun ownership = lower murder rate per state. Although the relationship was nowhere near as strong as % of african americans to murder rate

Google doesn't work for you? https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

There are only 3 blue states in the top 20 states with the highest murder rates. Il, Md, De. All states next to states where buying guns is a joke and gun running is common.Take out Chicago, Baltimore, and Wilmington there would be no blue states in the top 20. How tough to you suppose it is to buy a gun in LA,MO,AL,MS, NV,SC,TN,AK which are all top 10 murder rates states?.



Sorry but i'm not able to see the states with the lowest murder rates having the highest gun ownership. LA,MO,AL,MS, NV,SC,TN are all top of the charts on gun ownership in in addition to having the highest murder rates. Repeating something lots of times doesn't make it true.

CBOEtrader says

Specifically, the tendency to call economists racist if they study differences in cultures or come to the wrong anti-PC conclusions is an enormous detriment to actually finding a solution to the problem.

Sounds absurd. How could attributing a social problem to race help to identify a solution ? (even if there were a correlation to race?) I can't imagine a single example.

You might say that it could bring more resources to assist that race ? But I know that's not where you're going. You might say it would put more focus on helping that race to help themselves. But I believe that awareness and focus is already there (among those in the middle and upper middle class and higher). It's not like the typical middle class/upper middle class African American is unaware of the problems with inner city blacks, single parenthood etc.

bob2356 says

Sorry but i'm not able to see the states with the lowest murder rates having the highest gun ownership.

Straw man. That's not what I said.

Run the numbers and you get gun ownership rate at a negative correlation to murder rate. Fact.

I also said % of blacks in population is FAR more correlated to murder rate. Fact.

marcus says

How could attributing a social problem to race help to identify a solution ?

Turn off the brainwashing. It us important to identify trends in groups, especially if they are negative. Identifying a problem is the only way to fix it. marcus says

Sounds absurd.

Professor Frye's career sounds absurd to you? People who care abour fellow americans disagree.

CBOEtrader says

bob2356 says

Sorry but i'm not able to see the states with the lowest murder rates having the highest gun ownership.

Straw man. That's not what I said.

Run the numbers and you get gun ownership rate at a negative correlation to murder rate. Fact

Repeating the word fact doesn't make something a fact.

Show us the numbers then. Start with LA,MS,Al vs NY,CT,MA I'll be waitng, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting.

Or are you talking about the rise in gun ownership and fall in crime since the late 90's. Snipers bullshit chart. Track the rise in crime and the rise in gun ownership that happened for 30 years before that and see how much negative correlation you come up with. Fact.