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BrrBrrBrrBrrBrr.......

The answer is simple. Go back to a part-time legislature with electronic presence. Don't allow these ass-clowns to make any more BS laws. Reduce. Revoke. Rescind.

The Patrick site always had strong criticisms for boomers. It started with a thread called "Why is Gen Y so lame?" It backfired pretty badly. I remember some of it after all this time.

Malcolm says

The Patrick site always had strong criticisms for boomers.

By the Special Snowflakes....

It's because the Snowflakes won't take personal responsibility for their screw-ups, so the only thing left is to blame mommy and daddy for not getting a trophy every week.

So your dog takes a shit on your carpet. 100% the dogs fault. Nothing to do with the owner/trainer. Stunning logic. Talk about personal responsibility.

I didn't train my dog well enough to go the bathroom outside, but that fucking thing is just a "snowflake" because I suck at training it. Lol.

MisterLefty says

The poll found that 51% of millennials (18- to 34-year-olds) blame boomers

WookieMan says

So your dog takes a shit on your carpet. 100% the dogs fault. Nothing to do with the owner/trainer.

Yep. because half of Millennials at 18, 25 or 34 (you know, adults) still don't know it's wrong to shit on the carpet and need to be told by mommy and daddy that it's wrong.

WookieMan says

Talk about personal responsibility.

You're learning. They don't have any.

WookieMan says

I didn't train my dog well enough to go the bathroom outside

Actually that's an insult to dogs. Most dogs are way smarter and more intelligent than the majority of Millennials walking the street today. By six months old, a dog has got most things figured out. At 34, most Millennials can't find their asses with both hands. But remember, that's the Boomer's fault.... If they just got one more trophy.....

WookieMan says

Stunning logic.

What is something NEVER seen displayed by a Millennial?

WookieMan says

Stunning logic.

Sniper says

Actually that's an insult to dogs. Most dogs are way smarter and more intelligent than the majority of Millennials walking the street today. By six months old, a dog has got most things figured out. At 34, most Millennials can't find their asses with both hands. But remember, that's the Boomer's fault.... If they just got one more trophy.....

Ha! Seriously? Hope this is sarcasm. Never thought I'd see anyone in my lifetime claim dogs are smarter than a human, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Now that you mention it, maybe you're right about dogs being smarter than a human in the case of this quote....

Sniper says

What is something NEVER seen displayed by a Millennial?

WookieMan says

Stunning logic.

Lol. So you must be the "special" boomer that taught your millennial children the right way, right? Or you're saying your kids don't have logic? It's one or the other. I think all of us here know which it is.

Sniper says

WookieMan says

Talk about personal responsibility.

You're learning. They don't have any.

You're funny tonight. Hey, if you want to bash your "successful" kids, more power to you. You won't hear me complaining about the truth. Someone had to raise 'em. Lol.

EVERY GENERATION HAS DEADBEATS AND SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE. Idiots gotta stop being idiots.

Blaming others is nothing new. We boomers blamed old men politicians for drafting us into going to Vietnam for example.

What is very interesting to me is my boomer friends and I were not spoiled by our parents, and never got driven around or given big allowances to go places with friends. By contrast, ALL of my boomer friends have spoiled their "millennial kids, while exerting more control over them than their parents did.

I suggest boomer parents created the problem by trying to solve their kids' problems for too long, then the little dears never actually grow up and they blame others.

The difficulty for young people today is derived by the growth of government and growth of foreign worker population. Wages would have risen had millions of workers not been imported.

clambo says

I suggest boomer parents created the problem by trying to solve their kids' problems for too long, then the little dears never actually grow up and they blame others.

I agree a problem was created. It's still up to the person though to figure their shit out and not blame others (older or younger - which is what you're saying). Ultimately millennials will figure it out, as every generation does. I know of very few 31-34 year olds that don't already have houses, some have kids, some have their own businesses, etc. Most by that age have figured it out. So I admittedly get a little testy (triggered I guess since I'm millennial) on the subject when millennials are called "snowflakes" when most the 31-34 year olds I know are all on track to retire by the time they hit 59-1/2. All things considered, I'd say that's doing pretty darn well.

You also kind of have to figure it out, because by 30ish the parents are in the dreaded 55-65 year range where they start dropping like flies and can't help the kids out any more. I'm too lazy to find the link (millennial, I know), but I've posted it in other threads here. Something like 25% of boomers don't have any savings for retirement and I recall it's something like 50% or slightly more don't even have 3 years worth of retirement to live off of.

Millennials have less saved now of course, but the oldest millennials have at least 25 years to still save and earn. From what I've read, the upper percentage (say top 30% of millennials) are saving for retirement at a better rate compared to their parents. Either way, most millennials won't even be able to think about an inheritance of anything from their parent (which you shouldn't plan for it anyway). Probably just a massive house that is leveraged to the moon.

So at some point the gravy train ends and you're forced to sink or swim when the parents start dying and leaving highly leveraged assets to their kids. I just think a lot of people ingest garbage media most the time and it totally fucks up their world view. Sometimes people need to get out from behind the computer, learn and see new things. Most millennials aren't whiney bitches and do quite well.

I actually never thought about this. I personally know more millennials that are millionaires (self made) compared to the boomers millionaires (self made) that I know. Anecdotal and doesn't prove anything, but interesting.

WookieMan says

I know of very few 31-34 year olds that don't already have houses, some have kids, some have their own businesses, etc.

WookieMan says

Most millennials aren't whiney bitches and do quite well.

You truly need to get out and away from your self imposed bubble.

WookieMan says

Anecdotal and doesn't prove anything,

Exactly, ancedotal based on a few examples, is NOT a trend.

WookieMan says

So you must be the "special" boomer that taught your millennial children the right way, right?

Yes, I'm a rarity.

WookieMan says

Never thought I'd see anyone in my lifetime claim dogs are smarter than a human, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Once again, you truly need to get out more into the real world. I have seen a bunch of dogs that can run circles in intelligence and ability around many humans.

WookieMan says

Idiots gotta stop being idiots.

Many post here regularly on Patnet.

WookieMan says

So your dog takes a shit on your carpet. 100% the dogs fault. Nothing to do with the owner/trainer. Stunning logic. Talk about personal responsibility.

I didn't train my dog well enough to go the bathroom outside, but that fucking thing is just a "snowflake" because I suck at training it. Lol.

LOL. I thought the same thing.

Fact is, there's truth to both sides.

Sniper says

You truly need to get out and away from your self imposed bubble.

You've said you're retired, right? What do you actually do now? Even in the past, where have you traveled, what have you done that make you think you're not in your own bubble? Serious question.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Fact is, there's truth to both sides.

Of course. This isn't a binary, millennials suck or boomers rock situation. Many in BOTH generations suck which I believe is what you're saying.

Pareto principle is all I'll say about generations.

WookieMan says

Many in BOTH generations suck which I believe is what you're saying.

While that is true, I was simply pointing out that there is truth in the Millenial gripe that Boomers had economic winds at their backs over many years, and they still managed to collectively drive up massive government debt while borrowing from SS payments, which is incredibly selfish, IMO. Meanwhile, millenials (as a whole) were raised expecting too much to be handed to them in the world. Obviously, there is a wide range of individuals within each group. I believe that millenials will collectively tell their boomer parents to fuck off at some point. They just haven't been early bloomers for a variety of reasons.
As a genXer, I have no dog in this fight. Both generations have their positive attributes. I'm not one to blame a bunch of our problems on the faults of whole generations. There are lessons to be learned from observing characteristics of how our society has evolved and setting personal behavior accordingly, though.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

As a genXer, I have no dog in this fight. Both generations have their positive attributes. I'm not one to blame a bunch of our problems on the faults of whole generations. There are lessons to be learned from observing characteristics of how our society has evolved and setting personal behavior accordingly, though.

Technically since there's no definitive years given (or consensus at least), I'm on the cusp of GenX and Millennial. 34 about to be 35. So most Millennials I know have grown up and are doing the grown up things. I agree though that problems can't be blamed on an arbitrarily made up age group. I do find that feeling more superior due to demographics, specifically age, is a rather unintelligent point of view though, and will call it out when I see it.

The good news for me, I can bounce between Millennial and X and throw around all the blame I want ;) It will never be my fault. God, that's so Millennial of me, lol.

WookieMan says

I do find that feeling more superior due to demographics, specifically age, is a rather unintelligent point of view though, and will call it out when I see it.

This is just plain ignorance talking...

Being superior is due to life experiences, not age. Interacting with thousands and thousands of other people, being involved in many economic and business situations, traveling to many different areas, being on the planet decades longer, dealing with tons of different life experiences that Millennials are clueless about and have never seen, etc, etc. etc.. That's what makes someone superior.

Unfortunately, this isn't the first time I've dealt with a Millennial who thinks they are experts on every subject matter on the planet.

WookieMan says

You've said you're retired, right? What do you actually do now?

I do what ever I want, when I want to do it. I've earned that right.

How's that?

WookieMan says

Even in the past, where have you traveled, what have you done that make you think you're not in your own bubble? Serious question.

See my post above.

Sniper says

I do what ever I want, when I want to do it. I've earned that right.

How's that?

Sniper says

Being superior is due to life experiences, not age. Interacting with thousands and thousands of other people, being involved in many economic and business situations, traveling to many different areas, being on the planet decades longer, dealing with tons of different life experiences that Millennials are clueless about and have never seen, etc, etc. etc.. That's what makes someone superior.

Lol. So you do nothing and sit behind a keyboard all day and pretend like you've accomplished something. Thanks for the non-answer. Let's keep it domestic and basic for you. How many states have you visited in the US? Just a number Mr. Life Experience. (This won't get answered, but oh well)

Listen, the fact is you're here EVERY day. You're entitled to do whatever you want to do. But successful people, even if it interests them, don't sit on a random forum on the web all day every day. Hell, Patrick isn't here everyday probably. I've probably not logged into this site for a month at a minimum so far this year. You can't say the same.

So you can talk about having "life experiences" but all I ever see from you is canned, generic answers. That's all we've all seen here. "I did business in the medical field" blah blah blah. You can't even answer the question about what you actually do now. Because it's nothing. Shit, can you even describe in minor detail the last vacation you went on?

And don't worry, I know what's coming. You'll selectively take certain segments of my comment and write childish one line responses because you've probably been behind the computer too long and have zero idea what real conversation is about. Won't actually answer a question. But hey, you're superior, just because of your vast business dealings only itemizing $15k in a year. Lol.

And I know I'm crossing the line on forum rules in this comment (all of it), but fuck it. This is what someone here at Patnet thought would be an intelligent comment to make and they believe that it's actually intelligent, that's the scary part:

Sniper says

By the Special Snowflakes....

It's because the Snowflakes won't take personal responsibility for their screw-ups, so the only thing left is to blame mommy and daddy for not getting a trophy every week.

You can call me a snowflake and anyone else you want to, but I know I'm better then you and that tears your soft little brain apart.

Housing is ground zero of the generation battle, and the snowflakes are starting to organize to get out of boomers oppression.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/26/seattle-housing-what-works-next-218058

Heraclitusstudent says

Housing is ground zero of the generation battle, and the snowflakes are starting to organize to get out of boomers oppression.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/26/seattle-housing-what-works-next-218058

Mr. Lubarsky is a sneaky little bastard: he wants to have his cake and eat it too. He knows full well that if he is to move to, say, Texas while keeping his job in the same tech company, most of these companies would actually cut his compensation. The reason he's paid what he is paid where he is paid is partly because Seattle is a high cost of living area.

The irony of all this? Once he gets married his wife will be badgering him into buying a SFH in the very neighborhood he now wants to bulldoze over.

WookieMan says

I do find that feeling more superior due to demographics, specifically age, is a rather unintelligent point of view though, and will call it out when I see it.

A lot of it has to do with blaming problems on other people. For example, boomers want to blame the SS issue and economic issues on Millenials being weenies. Millenials want to blame their debt issues and employment issues on their parents. People in general take credit for their success and blame their problems on others. It's part of human nature. Obviously, it's not particularly useful, so is not a trait to be emulated. Gen X isn't better than these groups. It just blends in with the background hedges a bit as the boomer / millenial parent / kid fight sucks the oxygen out of the air.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

A lot of it has to do with blaming problems on other people.

You didn't need to type anything else after this ;)

WookieMan says

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

A lot of it has to do with blaming problems on other people.

You didn't need to type anything else after this ;)

Yep.

Some people just can't handle the truth, specially when they are "experts" on all subject matters in their 30's.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Mr. Lubarsky is a sneaky little bastard: he wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Yeah because it's normal to not build enough to house the population you have, and force the younger generation to move to far away shit holes.
It goes without saying the boomers didn't have to deal with this shit but they are perfectly happy to impose that on their own kids.

Squeal all you want. The wheel is turning. Millennial outnumber boomers and will soon out vote you.

I can hardly wait to use up all of the Social Security fund so that there's none left for the MillXYers!

Heraclitusstudent says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Mr. Lubarsky is a sneaky little bastard: he wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Yeah because it's normal to not build enough to house the population you have, and force the younger generation to move to far away shit holes.
It goes without saying the boomers didn't have to deal with this shit but they are perfectly happy to impose that on their own kids.

Squeal all you want. The wheel is turning. Millennial outnumber boomers and will soon out vote you.

I'm not a boomer, and were do you see "squealing"? Lubarsky's will not ouvote anyone on this issue, because they will switch sides once they entrer next phase of their lives: namely the "married with two incomes, children and a downpayment" phase.

And in 40 years he will be screaming for neighbor kids to get off his lawn from the porch of one of the houses he wants gone now. Or from a porch of a similar house somewhere in Houston.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

I'm not a boomer, and were do you see "squealing"? Lubarsky's will not ouvote anyone on this issue, because they will switch sides once they entrer next phase of their lives: namely the "married with two incomes and a downpayment" phase.

Wake up. Most of this generation will never afford a family house in a desirable city. If you are not building, it's just a matter of time before the people on the outside outnumber the people on the inside. And the people paying through the nose won't be happy either.

Heraclitusstudent says

Wake up. Most of this generation will never afford a family house in a desirable city. If you are not building, it's just a matter of time before the people on the outside outnumber the people on the inside.

So "inside" will have to get bigger. And it will. Most of the families with kids are not going to want to live in highrises. SFHs will be built on the outskirts and developer-level Lubarsky's will move there. Yes, they will have 40-minute commute by car instead of 20-minute stroll with a Starbucks cup in hand, but they will survive. And their kids will have a backyard to play and cul-de-sac to ride their bikes. And the better-paid, manager-level Lubarsky's will move into that old neighborhood once the boomers start downsizing or dying off. There will be no 20-story concrete "paradise" on that particular spot, you can bet on it.

WookieMan says

I've probably not logged into this site for a month at a minimum so far this year. You can't say the same.

Really??

Let's check your post history just for this month of April. Days that you've posted:

April 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27

That's based on FACTUAL posting history here (I didn't make it up). Only a few days have been missed this month alone. I wonder what the other 3 past months would add up to??

http://patrick.net/comments?a=WookieMan

That's why I have such a problem with Millennials... there's Facts, Truth and Reality, then there's the FAKE "Perception of Reality" that the Millennials live in. These are 180 degrees in opposition of each other in most cases.

The FACTS are, I've logged on LESS days this month than those days above.

Those pesky FACTS and TRUTHS.....

Sniper says

Gen X isn't better than these groups.

Im 40, which IMHO gives me the right to feel superior to both the young and old. (I kid, I kid... )

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

SFHs will be built on the outskirts and developer-level Lubarsky's will move there. Yes, they will have 40-minute commute by car instead of 20-minute stroll

The belief that "cities" should be mostly made SFH while urban sprawls extends to ever farther distances, creating huge commutes, doesn't make sense.
Cities are dense places. And cities become larger. The dense areas needs to be larger. Then these people who really want a SFH should be the one on the outskirt looking at the commutes.

Heraclitusstudent says

Cities are dense places. And cities become larger. The dense areas needs to be larger. Then these people who really want a SFH should be the one on the outskirt looking at the commutes.

Nah, it's just a temper tantrum from Lubarsky's who see a very narrow picture of "I want to cheaply live near this particular office building where my ping-pong buddies are, while still getting paid as if I live in an expensive area". And because it's a trendy thing to say (mostly due to the last 20 years of AGW propaganda droning on the subject). Nothing can be concentrated in one place anymore, especially with the advanced communications we have now. That "density" argument rings especially hollow for somebody who works in a team with members spread between Peninsula, East Bay, San Jose, Austin, Boston and yes, fucking Mumbai. Or to somebody else who works in a team distributed between SF, NY and Edinburgh. Do you think for a minute that all these people want to live in a 30-story apartment tower next door to 50-story office building instead of what they have now (SFHs with backyards, pools and 2-3-car garages)? They don't. And, thanks to the marvel of modern communication technology, they don't have too.

And even if Lubarsky's dream comes true and he gets his cell in 20-story concrete beehive, he'll be out of there and looking for a SFH as soon as he has a family.

People are always looking to blame someone, somewhere, for everything wrong in their lives.

99% of anything wrong in your life is because of the person staring back at you in the mirror.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Nah, it's just a temper tantrum from Lubarsky's who see a very narrow picture of "I want to cheaply live near this particular office building where my ping-pong buddies are, while still getting paid as if I live in an expensive area".

No it's not. It's a fact for many states that they are underbuilt by millions of units. The prices just reflect that fact.
Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Nothing can be concentrated in one place anymore, especially with the advanced communications we have now. That "density" argument rings especially hollow for somebody who works in a team with members spread between Peninsula, East Bay, San Jose, Austin, Boston and yes, fucking Mumbai.

That's nonsense. Phone calls and emails or video conferences at fixed times will never replace face to face work. A city is made of interaction between all sorts of people which would never happen - or at least not in a productive way - on the net. There is a reason why the world population is moving toward cities instead of away from it.
It's the opposite in fact: you're the one that sees a narrow picture and feels bothered that someone dares to disturb your little village fantasy.

Sniper says

That's based on FACTUAL posting history here (I didn't make it up).

That's a first. Lol. God, you've taught me well.

Sniper says

Only a few days have been missed this month alone. I wonder what the other 3 past months would add up to??

Go ahead and count the other months. 20 out of 27 days. Lol. Missed what, maybe 7 days already. 4th month of the year. Math AND reading comprehension, lol. 4 x 7 based on just this month = one month off of p-net.

Sniper says

WookieMan says

I've probably not logged into this site for a month at a minimum so far this year.

I've already been on vacation about 20 days so far this year. I DON'T go online when I vacation. I don't have to and I don't want to. I'm busy enjoying the finer things in life. (not a knock on the site Pat - When I vacation, I vacation though). How many states have you been to? 1? Cool....

Sniper says

The FACTS are, I've logged on LESS days this month than those days above.

Those pesky FACTS and TRUTHS.....

You might want to tip your teacher you've been seeing at your local comedy club. They're doing a terrific job on helping you with your comedy bit.





Pesky FACTS. Lol. SEVEN. FUCKING. MONTHS. You can't make this shit up! Oh wait. You just did.

Sniper says

Some people just can't handle the truth, specially when they are "experts" on all subject matters in their 30's.

Who has made the claim they're an expert here besides you on Millennials? I can hire "experts" to do things for me, FACT. So I can be good at what I do. Instead, you prefer to suck at everything you do. Lol.