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You can certainly be weak and violent. In fact, they very often go together. Mental Illness and Violence often go together as well, despite what Official Psykologie says.

Whether the weak and violent can prevail over the strong and well-armed and well versed in arms, is another story.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

their jihadi brethren who vote Democrat.

They kinda do, in Minneapolis/St Paul

jazz_music says

The further to the right the closer to fascism by definition.

Domestically, Black Nationalists have killed far more people (Police and Whites) in the past 3 years than the Alt-Right.

Black Nationalists are potentially recruited from about 12% of the population, the "AltRight" from about 75%. That makes the number of killings by Black Nationalists even more profound.

In order to get the numbers ginned up, the SPLC and others include Incels Elliot Rodgers, and (probably somewhat more understandably) Dylan Roof, though he had no anti-Black attitudes previous to a never-approached crush dating a black dude and nothing to indicate any AltRight ideology, and have to stretch back before the 2016 Election Season began.

In other words, the Left are so desperate to equivocate, they include Angry Young Incels as the "AltRight", rather than people who are clearly ideologues. And yes - all of the Black Nationalist Cop killers referenced Black Lives Matter and "White Oppression" fringe racist conspiracy theories during, before, and in some cases, after their attacks.

HonkpilledMaster says

Black Nationalists have killed far more people (Police and Whites) in the past 3 years than the Alt-Right.

Source?

200 Christians were just slaughtered in Sri Lanka (it's on the news).

Patrick says

ONLY the left is violent

Not true. But apparently facts are subjective ? Either that or killing doesn't count as violence ?

On Wednesday, the Anti-Defamation League released a report finding that attackers with ties to right-wing extremist movements killed at least 50 people in 2018. That was close to the total number of Americans killed by domestic extremists, meaning that the far right had an almost absolute monopoly on lethal terrorism in the United States last year. That monopoly would be total if, in one case, the perpetrator had not “switched from white supremacist to radical Islamist beliefs prior to committing the murder.”

The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year, and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an “incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the Jews were dead.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

HonkpilledMaster says

Whether the weak and violent can prevail over the strong and well-armed and well versed in arms, is another story.

Heinlein said it best:
“Never truly frighten a weak man. He’ll kill you.”

marcus says

and the school massacre in Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the Jews were dead.”

Would you consider a Cuban school shooter a white supremacist?

What about the Bernie supporter who stabbed people on the bus?

This is more so about destructution of definitions than any relevant trend.

marcus says

Not true. But apparently facts are subjective ? Either that or killing doesn't count as violence ?

You linked to a list of murders commited by people who are accused white supremacists. Some are proven white supremacists, who murdered someone. Ok. If 48 is all the violent crime related to extreme white supremacists they could document in 2018, we're doing pretty good as a society w white supremacy. Chicago gets more black supremacist murders every weekend.

Try reading the source data. It's almost as if the core claim is made up

CBOEtrader says

Chicago gets more black supremacist murders every weekend.

Wtf ? You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

Chicago gets more black supremacist murders every weekend.

Wtf ? You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You are saying that because you didnt read your own article. It is a list of violence perpetuated by anyone loosely acquainted w maybe white supremacy. It is NOT a list of white supremacist terrorism. That is a lie.

By the same logic every murder in Chicago would be called a violent black supremacist terrorist attack.

Here you go:



If you leave out the first one, which was probably Jihad motivated, that is 2016-2017 terror attacks by Black Militants on Cops. Not including anything like all Jihadi attacks., nor 2018, with no ambiguous incidents. This was a very quick search that indubitably missed a few because you can't sort by perpetrator, which is strange because you can sort by everything else. No doubt to make it tough on narrative disruptors.

As I said before, Incel attacks aren't Ring Wing Terrorism. Not getting laid is not a prequisite to being a "Nazi" or "White Supremacist".

Without counting the Flipouts of the Unfuckable, the SPLC and the AltLeft Narrative Pushers have no case

marcus says

The 2018 attacks include the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an “incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the Jews were dead.”

Maybe, maybe the anti-semite attack could possibly be White Supremacist, though as Arabs and Blacks show you don't need to be White Supremacist to be anti-Semitic.

The Yoga studio was by an unfuckable, and the Parkland Massacre was by a kid who heard voices and had called 911 to report his own torture of animals and begging for hospitalization. There's literally nothing about the Parkland Shooter that identifies him as being a White Supremacist, but literally scores of encounters with police and school authorities testifying to his hearing of voices and mental illnesses.

Parkland, by the way, is the fault of the Left, for making forcible hospitalization all but impossible and for the Miami-Dade/Broward policies towards crime and students, developed to fake a downward trend in criminal students, to help the "Jamal dindu nuttin' wrong" Narrative. Just like Trayvon would have lived if he had been prosecuted for his burglaries.

From Elliott Rodgers to the Yoga Shooter, Lefties depend on Incel/Antisocial Young Men Freakout Events and reclassify them as "Right Wing" or "White Supremacist" to prop up their narrative.

Terrorism has to serve a political or religious purpose, not just a REEEEEEEE of mentally ill and/or antisocial fucks.

In reality, Black and Muslim terrorism is far, far more deadly, esp. when weighted towards demographics.

HonkpilledMaster says

Maybe, maybe the anti-semite attack could possibly be White Supremacist, though as Arabs and Blacks show you don't need to be White Supremacist to be anti-Semitic.

If the guy is white, commited a crime, and he likes jordan Peterson's facebook page, then it's considered white supremacy terrorism.

Another game they play is by using right wing, white nationalism, and white supremacy interchangeably.

Its gross. Apparently the @Marcus 's types dont care if they are lied to. Righteous judgement feels too good.

CBOEtrader says

Another game they play is by using right wing, white nationalism, and white supremacy interchangeably.

Agreed. And I'm perfectly fine with White Nationalism, since it's just a tougher form of "Western Civilizationist" which I am. All it means is that the country should honor the cultural imperatives preferred by the majority of the United States.

Leftists know that Hardwork, Discipline, Meritocracy, and even Timeliness are "White" values that are incompatible if not opposed to socialism. Which is why Leftists love Farrakhan and Islam, but hate "1950s" America.

HonkpilledMaster says

Leftists know that Hardwork, Discipline, Meritocracy, and even Timeliness are "White" values

https://www.theblaze.com/news/professor-says-white-people-own-time

HonkpilledMaster says

mental illness

Who would argue that murderous behavior doesn't involve mental illness ? Certainly not I.

Being so right wing that you are consumed by hatred enough to kill is mentally ill.

Look, you have to understand, or perhaps I should say you won't understand, that I despise the talk of white supremacy. When moderates such as Jordan Peterson or Jonathon Haidt are thought of as white supremacist, that's absurd. Those far lefties annoy the hell out of me.

But the hatred ignorance and fear I hear on the right annoys me just as much.

marcus says

But the hatred ignorance and fear I hear on the right annoys me just as much.

Sure, theres simply immeasurably more coming from the left.

White supremacists are irrelevant. They are a fabrication of the globalist propagandists.

The murder rate between actual White Supremacists (KKK, Nazis, etc.) is higher than between WS and outsiders.

Because most are formed in prison to prevent beatings at the hands of Black Criminals. And most of the internal fighting is over drugs/snitching.

FortWayneIndiana says

200 Christians were just slaughtered in Sri Lanka (it's on the news).

Why do you protect Islam by severely under-reporting the casualties?

marcus says

When moderates such as Jordan Peterson or Jonathon Haidt are thought of as white supremacist, that's absurd.

Let's gain an agreement of what white supremacy is. I'll let you lead here, since it is your team who is obsessed w them.

Please point out your top 3 most relevant white supremacists.

jazz_music says

VIOLENCE IS A RIGHT WING TRADITION

Which wing was it that used terror and violence against Blacks for 100 years? Let me give you a hint: wasn’t the GOP!
Facts can be so annoying...

WS is something like what Richard Spencer proposed on his debate with Sargon/Styx:

1. Get all the Blacks and Jews out of the USA (How? What about partials? DNA Testing?)
2. Assuming Blacks, et al will "magically agree to leave", how do you pay for it?
3. Mandate same-race marriage, etc. (forced abortions?)
4. Complete or near complete ban on non-White immigration.
5. Whites but not other groups would only be the ones to receive Natalistic aids and possibly many government services.

That's actual White Supremacy.

White Nationalism:

1. Recognize that "Whites" have a distinct culture (Anglo-Celtic branch of European/Western Civ)
2. Recognize that in almost all Nations (Empires), the dominant racial/cultural group gets to call the shots about both legal and non-legal (like punctuality, or basing rewards on merit) standards
3. And in the US that would be White People, and that the dominant group has the right to restrict immigration to other members of the Racial/Cultural Group to levels that don't threaten long term Demographics.

HonkpilledMaster says

That's actual White Supremacy.

White Nationalism:

yes, and almost zero terrorism is committed towards these ends. that's why i want the marcus types to define it instead. Then we can go line by line and point out how almost zero of the murderers in his list are WS terrorists.

marcus can point out how silly it would be to label the 50 murders/month in chicago as black supremacy terrorism. yet he offers his list without critique, using equally as atrocious logic

If you detain an illegal, how can your act be illegal?

Is it illegal for me to detain somebody who broke into my house until the police come?

jazz_music says

There were 49 mass shootings last year by right wing nut jobs.

Don't think so

jazz_music says

Why?

Source with description of attacks missing. I can recall 3-4 MASS shootings motivated by right wing ideologies in last year.

jazz_music says

There is approximately one minute shooting every day in America, they don’t seem to all be making the news headlines.

I think you meant "Mass".

If you mean "Mass Shooting" by Ghetto Dwellers, this is correct.

jazz_music says

Democracy Now

I think believing to Democracy Now without fact-checking is similar to taking Breitbart News at face value. I would need a list and description of shootings to believe them.
I can also claim that according to my analysis, Lizard People shot 20000 Americans in last year and it is just as believable with no sources provided.

jazz_music says

There is approximately one minute shooting every day in America, they don’t seem to all be making the news headlines.

Not mass shootings, and most of those are purely criminal acts.

jazz_music says

What source?

I looked up sources before I posted. Towards the end of the year there were 307 mass shootings.

That's not one shooting per minute. I understood that you meant "shootings" instead of "mass shootings". Most of "regular shootings", the type that probably happen once every minute, are likely criminal. With mass shootings, I have not seen statistics - but if I assume that mass shooting is more than one person shot, even then I'd guess most would be criminal. In 2018, there were nearly 400 shootings in Chicago where 2 or more people were shot, and as far as I know, all were criminal. This also makes your link statistics suspect - may be journalists were lazy and/or incompetent. See https://heyjackass.com/category/2018-stats/

jazz_music says

There is approximately one minute shooting every day in America, they don’t seem to all be making the news headlines.

I misunderstood this, probably

jazz_music says

Why are you focusing on the number of shootings and nothing else?

I find the "data" by Democracy Now highly suspect. I do not trust journalists, and if they can not get their statistics correct, everything else that they extract from their incomplete data is suspicious and should be approached with caution. So, first look at their statistics - see if it is correct - and then at interpretations.

jazz_music says

According to today’s Democracy Now

Lol, get a real source. You have been lied to, though I assume you dont care

Left-wing Muslim Terrorist Arrested in LA : Planned Bombing

He was arrested on Friday after receiving what he thought was a live bomb delivered by an undercover agent

A US Army veteran who was allegedly plotting a large-scale terror attack near Los Angeles as revenge for the recent mass shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, has been arrested, authorities said Monday.

Mark Steven Domingo, 26, who had combat experience in Afghanistan and professed to be Muslim, faces federal terror-related charges for plotting to detonate an improvised explosive device (IED) at a white nationalist rally in Long Beach this past weekend with the aim of causing mass casualties, officials said.

He was arrested on Friday after receiving what he thought was a live bomb that was delivered by an undercover agent.

According to court documents, in online posts and conversations with an FBI source Domingo expressed support for violent jihad and aspired to become a martyr by seeking retribution for attacks against Muslims.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/1556573827-us-army-veteran-arrested-for-plotting-la-mass-attack

Just read about this, his targets were nazis, Jews, and police.

d6rB says

- may be journalists were lazy and/or incompetent. See https://heyjackass.com/category/2018-stats/

Wow, each and every one of the 15 most dangerous neighborhoods had more deaths from shooting than the CPD in all of Chicago.

But the Oppressed People (tm) only march if a Cop shoots somebody.

BayArea says

FortWayneIndiana says

200 Christians were just slaughtered in Sri Lanka (it's on the news).

Why do you protect Islam by severely under-reporting the casualties?

The final number wasn't out yet when I posted. I can't keep up with casualties minute by minute, that number goes up like national debt... constantly.

Mark Steven Domingo boasted about amassing an arsenal of weapons, including 80 pounds of nails for a bomb, to carry out an attack in retaliation for the killing of Muslims by a white supremacist in the city of Christchurch, according to an indictment unsealed on Monday. He also allegedly discussed killing Los Angeles police officers and setting off explosives at the Santa Monica Pier and on local freeways.

"There were mosque shootings in New Zealand," Domingo posted to a private group online on March 14, according to federal prosecutors. "[T]here must be retribution."

Domingo allegedly added: "I feel like I should make a christians life miserable tomorrow for our fallen bros n sis in [N]ew Zealand ... maybe a jews life ... they shed our blood ... no Muslim should have to experience this, a message needs to be sent."

An FBI informant, who was already in the private message group along with an FBI "online covert employee," made contact with Domingo two days later, the indictment says.

Over six weeks of plotting with the informant, Domingo fantasized about murdering a laundry list of perceived enemies, including Christians, Jews, white supremacists, police officers, even his next-door neighbor.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/Terror-Suspect-Wanted-to-Kill-LAPD-Officers-and-Blow-Up-Santa-Monica-Pier-LA-Freeways-509222661.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_BAYBrand