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"Men have always been willing to work and sweat and sacrifice and bleed, if they were rewarded with the means through which to see themselves as worthy of respect, but when every single role society wants to cram you into is no longer a way to respect yourself, or have the respect of others, then it's really time to throw those roles away. "

"One thing they [feminists/or traditionalists] are never gonna realize is that using shame to try to coerce men to do what is expected of them isn't going to work this time, because while it's possible to shame a man into giving his life for his country if there is a promise of respecting it, it's impossible to shame someone into working his ass off and risking his whole future just for the joy of looking in the mirror and seeing Homer Simpson or Ray Barone or Dilbert looking back at him."
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Bingo!

Quigley says

Watch the video if you’re interested in these issues. I’m interested to see what @Rin thinks as well.

Saw the first half and pretty much, have seen it in my own life. So I'm in accordance.

In the near term men will get Sex Robots and then women, need to use Strap-On dildos to pleasure each other.

Now that women are equal, ship them on front line next war, especially those with purple hair who keeps asking for equality. We kill 2 birds at the same time. Those girls will be considered equal now and remaining will know how much equality they really want

I wonder how far the collapse of marriage will have to go before the remnants of the western world revert to the sustainable traditional model, ie requirement for virginity to be a suitable wife, distinct men's and women's occupations, guaranteed men's rights to compensate for their obligations, etc.

Men are in revolt against the female imposed societal norms. What is interesting is some men still feel the need to put their balls and their net worth into the hands of 1. a female partner 2. an unknown future judge (possible female also).

If a man has 1. no desire for children 2. a lot of money, he may never feel the need to get married. He will achieve more success with females by keeping marriage as a possible reward; he loses this bargaining chip by actually marrying someone.

Boys are now obligated to act female from a young age, imposed by female teachers and principals. Those who don't risk being medicated.

Bullshit "community service" is being placed into college requirements, "giving back" etc. ideas foisted on boys who naturally want to compete, play and have conflicts while pushing the boundaries on their natural path to adulthood.

I met a female who was not atypical of the species running around S. Florida seeking a guy who has dough (they're all over the place). At our second meal out she said to me "so, is marriage on the table?" I tried not to laugh; my sometime "girlfriend" was half her age and only asked if I could help her pay for a flat tire or some gasoline to drive around with. Nothing of course was on any table, but the one who knew it was the young girl and the one who was clueless was the older female who had been married; she assumed I guess that other suckers abound and I was one.

Another Colombian keeps asking me to marry her and solve her illegal status; I said a honeymoon would be OK.

I reminded her of the old custom where the father of the female would pay a dowry to the man to marry his daughter.

Some have asked me why my brother and sister are my beneficiaries "Your sister never even calls you! Why do you want her to have it!" They all think I will never spend my money because I am sort of obsessed with the way my investments are doing and I don't like to deplete them rather let them run up for a few more years. They think they should be beneficiaries not my siblings. Actually, they may have a point, but it's interesting how they think about it.

Funny thing, the same dynamic that existed since my high school days continues; it's the battle of the sexes and that will never end.

Now that I have multiple children, I can say some things about personality are just innate and present at birth.

Strumpet libby chicks will simply not reproduce, and those chicks happy to marry a guy who pays the bills and not ride the cock carousel for 15 years will reproduce.

Entitlement mentality and shrews will breed themselves out.

Males not happy under the system but want kids should marry a foreign chick in a foreign land.

We can speed this process by returning to forcible incarceration of the mentally ill, also.

Pretty simple. Women believe that after giving you the best thirty days of their lives, they are entitled to your slavish devotion for the rest of your life and assets in perpetuity, and that you should be grateful for the opportunity to serve them with 'maybe' pussy somewhere in the bargain.

question:
Quigley says

Men are not marrying, why?

clambo says


answer:

Boys are now obligated to act female from a young age, imposed by female teachers and principals. Those who don't risk being medicated.

Booger says

Come on, is this real? Link?

Family law is a joke in the West. Why the fuck would I get married when I can get plenty of strange essentially for free? Hot strange, much younger than myself. When I get too old to pull that off I'll rather go fishing or get a Rin-job than be stuck with some entitled old bitch.

I used to think well, it's a good thing to do if you plan to have kids. Shit's gotten so much crazier with the shit for brains leftists degenerating our culture the past decade I don't even think that's true anymore.

I recommend kids out of wed-lock if you're a guy.

However, there are a small fraction of good women out there. You have to get them when they're very young though. Like early 20s. Otherwise they get scooped up.

I knew a guy in his mid 60's, successful professional, divorced once. He was still dating and said he was getting laid by 21 year old girls from time to time. I believed him.

I'm 46 and still pull early 30s hotties. Much younger than that and I find them boring and annoying usually. Strike that. I find them boring and annoying immediately rather than after a while.

just_dregalicious says

I recommend kids out of wed-lock if you're a guy.

Is this speaking from experience?

just_dregalicious says

Shit's gotten so much crazier with the shit for brains leftists degenerating our culture the past decade I don't even think that's true anymore.

I find it hilarious when fundie Reps whinge about the deterioration of the 'traditional' nuclear family and then follow it up with this:

just_dregalicious says

I recommend kids out of wed-lock if you're a guy.

Evan F. says

I find it hilarious when fundie Reps whinge about the deterioration of the 'traditional' nuclear family and then follow it up with this:

I find it hilarious that people cant differentiate between individuals. The is one of the more common idiotic memes

Evan F. says

I find it hilarious when fundie Reps whinge about the deterioration of the 'traditional' nuclear family and then follow it up with this:

So let me get you on the record here:
1. “Diversity is great! Everyone is different! You can’t judge a person by his appearance!”
2. Everyone who disagrees with me on anything is exactly the same and probably a disgusting white male fundamentalist Christian!

Interesting points!

WineHorror1 says

Booger says

Come on, is this real? Link?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/student-found-to-have-violated-title-ix-by-asking-another-student-on-a-date/

Ceffer says

I knew a guy in his mid 60's, successful professional, divorced once. He was still dating and said he was getting laid by 21 year old girls from time to time. I believed him.

He was paying for it

Booger says

Ceffer says

I knew a guy in his mid 60's, successful professional, divorced once. He was still dating and said he was getting laid by 21 year old girls from time to time. I believed him.

He was paying for it

I was in a similar situation, and pay for it was both accurate and inaccurate.

In my case, the young female was dating guys who had no money nor the desire to spend any of it dating her.
When she came to see me, I gave her some $ to fix her crappy car. She was a student and just working part time and I had the dough so why not? Another time she got a flat and called me and I told her I would pay for a new tire ($65).

I also paid her car insurance a couple of times, which I didn't mind at the time. She didn't seem to be interested in going out to expensive restaurants and my apartment is very nice, she enjoyed having a place to hang around after the beach (6 minutes away).

I dated another girl who was in her 30's and she actually cost me much more because she liked to eat out in fancy joints, then continue to bars. I calculated once it cost me about $250 on a date with her.

My favorite lately is in her 30's single mom, struggling and not super hot but very interested in seeing a safe guy.

What I think happens with younger females is they realize that their value is decreasing over time, and they resent that they don't seem to get anything in return from guys who spend time with them and don't pay her anything, ever. I have heard the young one say about her friend dating a guy who is broke "Why is she with a guy who can't do anything for her?"

Deep down I think girls know that they need men, and the feminist stuff is all bullshit. They realize they've been tricked and young ones are seeking some benefit while they can get it.

Personally I would always prefer to hand a girl some cash rather than sit around eating at a fancy place. She can use the dough more than the toilet can use the result tomorrow.

Quigley says

Evan F. says

I find it hilarious when fundie Reps whinge about the deterioration of the 'traditional' nuclear family and then follow it up with this:

So let me get you on the record here:
1. “Diversity is great! Everyone is different! You can’t judge a person by his appearance!”
2. Everyone who disagrees with me on anything is exactly the same and probably a disgusting white male fundamentalist Christian!

Interesting points!

Nice jump in logic there! But no. I don't give two shits if you're married or not. Have all sorts of kids with different partners. But so many people here seem to think the traditional man+woman family is the bedrock of civilization and then run on about how big of a player they are, and how marriage is for chumps, it's hilarious and kind of sad.

I've been happily married for 15 years, in one of those 'traditional' unions. You guys should be applauding me, I'm one of the guys propping up our collapsing society!

Quigley says

Men are not marrying, why?

Rin was always right. Why fuck a wife when it's cheaper to fuck a whore.

Evan F. says

Quigley says

Evan F. says

I find it hilarious when fundie Reps whinge about the deterioration of the 'traditional' nuclear family and then follow it up with this:

So let me get you on the record here:
1. “Diversity is great! Everyone is different! You can’t judge a person by his appearance!”
2. Everyone who disagrees with me on anything is exactly the same and probably a disgusting white male fundamentalist Christian!

Interesting points!

Nice jump in logic there! But no. I don't give two shits if you're married or not. Have all sorts of kids with different partners. But so many people here seem to think the traditional man+woman family is the bedrock of civilization and then run on about how big of a player they are, and how marriage is for chumps, it's hilarious and kind of sad.


I agree that the goal should be finding a traditional wife and have a life long union and kids. But since there are very few out there making good wives and mothers the players are just a symptom. Currently there is an big overhang of good guys vs good womyn so some will naturally resort to playing.

mell says

I agree that the goal should be finding a traditional wife and have a life long union and kids. But since there are very few out there making good wives and mothers the players are just a symptom. Currently there is an big overhang of good guys vs good womyn so some will naturally resort to playing.

Yes, it's always the woman's fault. There's never any quality women out there! I'm a perfect guy, I'm a total catch, the ladies should be bending over backwards to be my slave.

Said every single loser on this site.

Evan F. says

mell says

I agree that the goal should be finding a traditional wife and have a life long union and kids. But since there are very few out there making good wives and mothers the players are just a symptom. Currently there is an big overhang of good guys vs good womyn so some will naturally resort to playing.

Yes, it's always the woman's fault. There's never any quality women out there! I'm a perfect guy, I'm a total catch, the ladies should be bending over backwards to be my slave.

Said every single loser on this site.

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women. Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman. Especially in the bay area where hotties are pretty rare. Some are being bossed around so.badly that I'd rather see them free as much as I root for the family. I am suspicious of people who claim to have the perfect wives esp. here as the general hostility towards men rubs off even on the most traditional unicorn hottie. Your environment influences you and I have always told struggling buddies to move the fuck out of such a misandristic area.

Evan F. says

Is this speaking from experience?

No

Evan F. says

I find it hilarious when fundie Reps whinge about the deterioration of the 'traditional' nuclear family and then follow it up with this:

Who you calling Rep dicknose?

Evan F. says

I've been happily married for 15 years, in one of those 'traditional' unions. You guys should be applauding me, I'm one of the guys propping up our collapsing society!

Oh man, what a youngster and still wet behind the ears. Call us when you have some really experience. I'm on 38 years....

just_dregalicious says

I'm 46 and still pull early 30s hotties. Much younger than that and I find them boring and annoying usually. Strike that. I find them boring and annoying immediately rather than after a while.

I did too before getting married. Good strategy. A 30s who kept young is better than a 20s. For marrying 25-35 depending on looks and health is a good age for her.

Evan F. says

Yes, it's always the woman's fault. There's never any quality women out there! I'm a perfect guy, I'm a total catch, the ladies should be bending over backwards to be my slave.

Said every single loser on this site.

Ha.... that was a good one.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women. Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman.

I'll tell you why that's happening. In EVERY instant that I've seen divorces, the guy went into the relationship thinking with the wrong head (the lower one). Getting married based on a PHYSICAL attraction very rarely works out. It's the COMPLETE package that makes the difference.

mell says

I am suspicious of people who claim to have the perfect wives esp. here as the general hostility towards men rubs off even on the most traditional unicorn hottie.

I'll never claim to have the perfect wife, but after 38 years, it's the best it's ever been. That's not to say it hasn't been extremely hard work, some big battles, and other crap. But the key is to work through all that stuff, and come out the other end, with the bandages. What I see in many cases are the couples not willing to work it out, and instead, take the easier route, and just bail through divorce. That's typical with how people handle every other issue in their lives, bail out instead of fix.

MrMagic says

I'm on 38 years....

Congrats, man! That's awesome.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women.

It's easy to cast people as losers, when, in fact, they are losers. Our man Trump does it all the time! And if 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women, what does that say about the men they're attached to?

just_dregalicious says

Evan F. says

Is this speaking from experience?

No

Then why would you say something like 'I recommend having a kid out of wedlock'?

MrMagic says

mell says

I am suspicious of people who claim to have the perfect wives esp. here as the general hostility towards men rubs off even on the most traditional unicorn hottie.

I'll never claim to have the perfect wife, but after 38 years, it's the best it's ever been. That's not to say it hasn't been extremely hard work, some big battles, and other crap. But the key is to work through all that stuff, and come out the other end, with the bandages. What I see in many cases are the couples not willing to work it out, and instead, take the easier route, and just bail through divorce. That's typical with how people handle every other issue in their lives, bail out instead of fix.

Well put.

Evan F. says

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women.

It's easy to cast people as losers, when, in fact, they are losers. Our man Trump does it all the time! And if 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women, what does that say about the men they're attached to?

The women make bad choices too, like in the case of picking the "bad boy" for the fun of it, only to find out he really was a loser, after all.

Evan F. says

Then why would you say something like 'I recommend having a kid out of wedlock'?

Because I do recommend it for those who want kids. The costs out weigh the benefits these days.

just_dregalicious says

Because I do recommend it for those who want kids. No costs out weigh the benefits these days.

So do you have kids?

MrMagic says

Evan F. says

Yes, it's always the woman's fault. There's never any quality women out there! I'm a perfect guy, I'm a total catch, the ladies should be bending over backwards to be my slave.

Said every single loser on this site.

Ha.... that was a good one.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women. Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman.

I'll tell you why that's happening. In EVERY instant that I've seen divorces, the guy went into the relationship thinking with the wrong head (the lower one). Getting married based on a PHYSICAL attraction very rarely works out. It's the COMPLETE package that makes...

Agreed.

Evan F. says

MrMagic says

I'm on 38 years....

Congrats, man! That's awesome.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women.

It's easy to cast people as losers, when, in fact, they are losers. Our man Trump does it all the time! And if 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women, what does that say about the men they're attached to?

just_dregalicious says

Evan F. says

Is this speaking from experience?

No

Then why would you say something like 'I recommend having a kid out of wedlock'?

No it means that the majority of women initiating those divorces were unfit for marriage and got baited by the advantageous divorce laws. Did guys make bad choices with them? Sure but if you bail out of a marriage thr problem is you in 80+% of cases. The pareto principle always holds.

MrMagic says

The women make bad choices too, like in the case of picking the "bad boy" for the fun of it, only to find out he really was a loser, after all.

Absolutely. But there's so much of the notion that 'women are all a bunch of useless bitches' going around here it's comical.

Two way street.

Evan F. says

So do you have kids?

No, I already answered that.

Evan F. says

MrMagic says

The women make bad choices too, like in the case of picking the "bad boy" for the fun of it, only to find out he really was a loser, after all.

Absolutely. But there's so much of the notion that 'women are all a bunch of useless bitches' going around here it's comical.

Two way street.

The statistics are clear. Not all but many. Subjecting your kids to single motherhood is piss poor parenting.